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Aphrodite posted:The yield issues rumor was before Microsoft reduced their launch tiers and indefinitely delayed launch in some regions. They sold 3 million of them and there's still poo poo loads in stores. They manufactured the same amount as Sony did and sold less which is what you see on amazon and when you go into a brick and mortar. So unless you think Sony also had yield problems then I think you're going to have to accept that there were no yield problems.
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King Burgundy posted:I'm making a possibly incorrect assumption that they aren't getting re-orders due to all the extras. Thus, they should now theoretically have a large build up in their supply chain. Sounds logical to me, but I guess I could be wrong about that. The consoles are different in different regions, so they can't just divert supply. ZombieReagan is probably right that it's software and not hardware causing the delay though.
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Feb 26, 2014 05:08
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ZombieReagan posted:You take that back right now mister! Great game, but its presentation really suffers once you notice that each and every area is basically a giant, empty box.
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Feb 26, 2014 05:10
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Crafty posted:They sold 3 million of them and there's still poo poo loads in stores. They manufactured the same amount as Sony did and sold less which is what you see on amazon and when you go into a brick and mortar. So unless you think Sony also had yield problems then I think you're going to have to accept that there were no yield problems. The impressions I'm getting is that Sony is manufacturing more than Microsoft, which explains why there are some Made in Japan versions floating around to meet demand. Sony hardly manufacturers anything in Japan anymore, let alone anything as cost sensitive as the PS4. Unless Microsoft has around 6 million Xbox Ones floating around (which would suggest a stockpile of 2 million at minimum), they're making less than Sony.
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Feb 26, 2014 05:10
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ZombieReagan posted:You'd think they would go ahead and launch in other regions as well, but I'm guessing it's got more to do with getting the software translations ready and things like that. King Burgundy posted:I'm making a possibly incorrect assumption that they aren't getting re-orders due to all the extras. Thus, they should now theoretically have a large build up in their supply chain. Sounds logical to me, but I guess I could be wrong about that. jeffreyw posted:The impressions I'm getting is that Sony is manufacturing more than Microsoft, which explains why there are some Made in Japan versions floating around to meet demand. Sony hardly manufacturers anything in Japan anymore, let alone anything as cost sensitive as the PS4.
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Feb 26, 2014 05:13
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jeffreyw posted:The impressions I'm getting is that Sony is manufacturing more than Microsoft, which explains why there are some Made in Japan versions floating around to meet demand. Sony hardly manufacturers anything in Japan anymore, let alone anything as cost sensitive as the PS4. Either way, you can hardly call 4+ million manufactured 3 months post launch the crippling yield issues that were predicted.
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Feb 26, 2014 05:13
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Aphrodite posted:The yield issues rumor was before Microsoft reduced their launch tiers and indefinitely delayed launch in some regions. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the Tier 2/3 country delays were because MS were trying to support the extra languages for the voice commands via Kinect? I know there are a few areas out there that should have it now based on language alone but not the majority. Maybe this is where the Kinectless SKU's are going????  Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:Or more realistically they're having trouble with localisation and Kinect. If rumours of the Kinectless SKU turn out to be true it'd removes those issues and allow them to reach a lower price point. 
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Feb 26, 2014 05:14
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hanyolo posted:Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the Tier 2/3 country delays were because MS were trying to support the extra languages for the voice commands via Kinect? I know there are a few areas out there that should have it now based on language alone but not the majority. Maybe this is where the Kinectless SKU's are going???? about a sound business decision. Nevermind that I already said this...So is it realistic or is it a tinfoil hat theory now? You've changed your opinion since earlier in the thread: hanyolo posted:MS seems to be pretty dead set in keeping the Kinect:
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Feb 26, 2014 05:31
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Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:What games are you looking forward to that will sell this system to others? Are you talking about Kinect games specifically? There's quite a few decent games for The One now.
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Feb 26, 2014 05:34
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Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:I don't see what's Yeah I didn't see your post when I replied so I'm agreeing with you, it would be a sound business decision. My opinion will still stand that they won't release a Kinectless SKU in Tier1 countries, but I didn't think about the Tier2 or Tier3 possibility so my opinion has changed there. Looking forward to PvZ, Titanfall and Kinect Sports. These along with the existing exclusives, the "price drop" and the Party system / 50Hz fix may or may not be enough to sell this system to the average consumer. Two of these are coming out on the 360/PC though so it probably won't be the massive surge people are expecting.
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Feb 26, 2014 05:41
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ZombieReagan posted:Please post videos on youtube of you playing dance party games. Wait until the unrivalled twitch experience comes exclusively to The One and you may be in luck.
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Feb 26, 2014 05:43
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Crafty posted:He also predicted that the PS4 would be released in October. What the hell is wrong with you? You posted a literal lie and somehow branded me 'cboats #1 fan' because I called you out. I never said he was always right, but he's been correct more than other leakers, even before the release of the bone and ps4, which is why he has more credibility. Now you're posting something about graphics because? King Burgundy posted:This is just dishonest. It had historically amazing sales in both November and December. That was enough to prove out whether there were any yield issues. Yes, sales dropped off a cliff after that, but it was well after we would have seen supply issues. I believe the rumour was released before the Tier 1/2/3 schedule got changed around. I could be wrong, I haven't kept up. Edit: Also historically compared to consoles in general, or just the Xbox brand? SparkPeople fucked around with this message at 06:06 on Feb 26, 2014 |
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Feb 26, 2014 06:02
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The rumour was in June. In August some Chinese leakers claimed Microsoft had adjusted their expectations down from 7 million to 6.2 (I am not sure over what period that was, but unless it's 2014 they probably aren't hitting it.) Around then, Microsoft dropped 8 countries from launch day. With a launch the size they were planning, a yield issue can still leave millions of units to sell. Cboat never said crippling, as far as I can find. It looks like Microsoft just expected way too much. If they did have yield issues they were probably for the best because they have enough unsold units as it is.
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Feb 26, 2014 06:11
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SparkPeople posted:I believe the rumour was released before the Tier 1/2/3 schedule got changed around. I could be wrong, I haven't kept up. This has already been well trodden since your last post, but even the folks on your side of the argument seem to agree it most likely wasn't yield that caused the schedule change. And yeah, I was prepared to agree it was probably just vs the xbox brand, but doing some quick googling it looks like it was pretty impressive vs consoles in general. It makes what the PS4 is doing now even more impressive.
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Feb 26, 2014 06:17
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SparkPeople posted:What the hell is wrong with you? You posted a literal lie and somehow branded me 'cboats #1 fan' because I called you out. What did I lie about? Think maybe you got me confused with the other guy.
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King Burgundy posted:This has already been well trodden since your last post, but even the folks on your side of the argument seem to agree it most likely wasn't yield that caused the schedule change. I'm not trying to argue anything, but it's hard to get concrete information without people dressing it up with comparisons, speculations, and marketing speak. Last I heard, the schedule change was because of low yields. Now it's because of Kinect integration? I assumed that the commands would be downloaded from a cloud server, like Siri or Google Now. That would also allow for error correction if there was a way to correct your input for better voice commands. Jeez, at this point I hope the kinect-less rumours come true. Crafty posted:What did I lie about? Think maybe you got me confused with the other guy. Yeah, I did. My bad.
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Feb 26, 2014 06:33
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While all this talk of resolution and yields and how badly the bone is going to fail is SUPER interesting and just as fresh as it was the first 70 times we had the same discussion, I just got an invite code to the dashboard update. I didn't apply either. Anyone else get one?
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Feb 26, 2014 06:48
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Crafty posted:Wait until the unrivalled twitch experience comes exclusively to The One and you may be in luck. Its ok on The Four, I know that on my friends The Four he streams a lot of stuff, personally on my The Four I have really just been ignoring streaming altogether.
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Feb 26, 2014 06:52
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Laserface posted:While all this talk of resolution and yields and how badly the bone is going to fail is SUPER interesting and just as fresh as it was the first 70 times we had the same discussion, I just got an invite code to the dashboard update. I didn't apply either. Anyone else get one? You didn't have to apply. The press release said they selected people, although they didn't say what the selection criteria was.
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Spaceman Future! posted:Its ok on The Four, I know that on my friends The Four he streams a lot of stuff, personally on my The Four I have really just been ignoring streaming altogether. I feel like The One is the one to watch personally. Chasiubao posted:You didn't have to apply. The press release said they selected people, although they didn't say what the selection criteria was. I believe they chose people who were ' Microsoft ambassadors'. Basically people that answered troubleshooting questions on the Xbox forums version of yahoo answers. Guess they also selected a few random people too!
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Crafty posted:What did I lie about? Think maybe you got me confused with the other guy. You said that there are good Kinect games and we all know that is a huge drat lie. 
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Ularg posted:You said that there are good Kinect games and we all know that is a huge drat lie. I never had a Kinect 1, but that Happy Theater game looked ok. Plus the dancing games worked. Didn't Wreckateer work too? I also thought that Disney park game and Once Upon a Monster looked like solid kid games. I'm basing about 90% of this on watching Giant Bomb play them, though. Still bummed about the sequel of the mech game that had the huge controller on the original Xbox. I was legitimately interested in that until I saw gameplay.
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Soul Glo posted:I never had a Kinect 1, but that Happy Theater game looked ok. Plus the dancing games worked. Didn't Wreckateer work too? I also thought that Disney park game and Once Upon a Monster looked like solid kid games. I'm basing about 90% of this on watching Giant Bomb play them, though. Yeah, Once Upon a Monster, Kinect Party(Happy Action Theater), and Dance Central were all fantastic.
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The lightsaber part of the Star Wars game was fun. But that was when I was drinking every night.
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ZombieReagan posted:I still don't get why they don't just do what Apple and Google did and use the loving cloud to handle most of the voice commands. Seems like that would take a lot of the trouble out of it. You have to have XBL Gold to do just about anything with it anyway. People were freaked out enough about a camera + mic in their homes, there's no way they would've accepted the console actually sending everything you do to Microsoft. Chasiubao posted:You didn't have to apply. The press release said they selected people, although they didn't say what the selection criteria was. There is a way to invite friends though. Microsoft has a forum thread you use to suggest other people to invite. The update has also finally added Dolby sound output over optical.
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Chick3n posted:People were freaked out enough about a camera + mic in their homes, there's no way they would've accepted the console actually sending everything you do to Microsoft. It does anyway though.
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ZombieReagan posted:You'd think they would go ahead and launch in other regions as well, but I'm guessing it's got more to do with getting the software translations ready and things like that. I bought an Xboxone last week in Switzerland which is supposedly "not a launch country" so I have to say I'm skeptical of whether MS's claims are true at all for other "non launch" markets. Switzerland has a plug type that is unique to Switzerland, plus all the printed documentation is in German/Italian/French, so it's not like I got a diverted German/Italian/French console. I ended up buying one because I never saw a PS4 on sale... although now I'm wondering why I wanted either console. I see the Xbone on sale occasionally (first saw one late December) but it's usually sold out. Still haven't seen a PS4 for sale except from pawn shops selling it for like $750. E: http://www.lematin.ch/high-tech/jeux/auratil-xbox-one-suisse-annee/story/22443619 apparently Xboxone still isn't "released" here. Maybe Microsoft should go in any Fnac in Switzerland. They'll be surprised to see they're all selling Xboxone games, controllers, and consoles. Saladman fucked around with this message at 15:11 on Feb 26, 2014 |
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Idiots at Reddit are already breaking their Dashboard Preview NDA so here's some updates:
The rest seems to repeat what was shown in yesterday's Major Nelson video
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Feb 26, 2014 15:49
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Aphrodite posted:It does anyway though. Everything? Is there a list of the actual data sent back to MS? Or are you just trying to be flippantly antagonistic?
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VincesUndies posted:Idiots at Reddit are already breaking their Dashboard Preview NDA so here's some updates:  BonoMan posted:Everything? Is there a list of the actual data sent back to MS? Or are you just trying to be flippantly antagonistic? Wiggly Wayne DDS fucked around with this message at 16:05 on Feb 26, 2014 |
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Feb 26, 2014 16:02
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BonoMan posted:Everything? Is there a list of the actual data sent back to MS? Or are you just trying to be flippantly antagonistic? I meant specifically the voice commands you use are sent back to Microsoft anyway. They recently bragged about how many times a few specific ones had been said.
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Feb 26, 2014 16:03
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An article about Microsoft and spying on you, a good read for all: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/11/microsoft-nsa-collaboration-user-data
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VincesUndies posted:
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Feb 26, 2014 16:24
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Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:Holy poo poo they broke the NDA? They better get their lawyers on the phone before Microsoft files lawsuits. Hand gestures are treated as if you had pressed the button with a controller and I think are reported identically. Voice recognition is handled/translated on the console. I guess they could send the translated command to Microsoft, but that's still quite different to sending everything your mic picks up to Microsoft for processing which is what I remember reading that Google Now and Siri use. VincesUndies posted:Idiots at Reddit are already breaking their Dashboard Preview NDA so here's some updates: It seems like a really good update. Lot's of smart tweaks that people wanted.
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BonoMan posted:Everything? Is there a list of the actual data sent back to MS? Or are you just trying to be flippantly antagonistic? Wayne do you know what ad targeting MS are doing, and specifically how it's different from all other advertising? Aphrodite posted:I meant specifically the voice commands you use are sent back to Microsoft anyway. I don't think that's true, do you have a source? I thought all the commands were handled by the box, thats why they work when you're offline. What you suggest is what Siri does isn't it? That was one of the advertised 'features' of siri, collecting data to improve the experience. People didn't seem to mind when Siri did it though. This Kinect stuff is the best. I'm scared.
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I'm saying the opposite, actually. Despite not processing commands on the cloud it still sends data about which ones you're using to Microsoft. Which would be the main argument people would use against cloud processing if it were a thing. The Kinect doesn't interpret commands like Siri or Google Now do though. It just has a rigid list it understands.
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Aphrodite posted:I'm saying the opposite, actually. Despite not processing commands on the cloud it still sends data about which ones you're using to Microsoft. Which would be the main argument people would use against cloud processing if it were a thing. I think that is the worst thing about the kinect and the cloud. Here is a chance for the cloud to be useful, so of course they don't use it.
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Chick3n posted:Hand gestures are treated as if you had pressed the button with a controller and I think are reported identically. Voice recognition is handled/translated on the console. I guess they could send the translated command to Microsoft, but that's still quite different to sending everything your mic picks up to Microsoft for processing which is what I remember reading that Google Now and Siri use. Yes, Siri/Google Now function by recording your request and sending it off to an external server for processing. This is more accurate and allows for a more complex vocabulary to be used. Overall it's much better than handling it all on the mobile but requires a network connection. There's privacy problems inherent but that's a different question altogether.
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Aphrodite posted:I'm saying the opposite, actually. Despite not processing commands on the cloud it still sends data about which ones you're using to Microsoft. Which would be the main argument people would use against cloud processing if it were a thing. FULL DISCLOSURE: My game that will hit the XB One in about a year will probably report back to me how many times you shoot your gun, and which ammo types you use. OMG, THE HUMANITY! SUMMON THE PRESSES!  EDIT: and if you played Jones On Fire on your mobile device, you told me how many kitties you saved per session (though I didn't know who you were, I just got back a "some dude saved X kitties" message). THE HORROR! 
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Shalinor posted:They're called Metrics. Just about every game with a web connection (which is almost all of them) sends back (depersonalized) metrics, so that we can release silly stats like that, or figure out what features people are using. Yeah, that's what we're saying. This is the original comment: quote:People were freaked out enough about a camera + mic in their homes, there's no way they would've accepted the console actually sending everything you do to Microsoft. Which is what it's doing anyway so that's not a good argument for not doing it.
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