ZergFluid posted:

I agree 100% with this. Forgive me for neglecting the (real) economic factor.

Since women could work post-sexual revolution, they were free to select men based entirely on attractiveness. However, this has led to the situation of women spending their best years in terms of attractiveness (their 20s) supporting themselves and casually/serially dating men on a selective criteria that allowed them to date "up." The average woman in her 20s is either locked down in a relationship or is "single" (can, and does, easily get validation sex from higher ranked males who would gladly use her for sex.) This basic inequality between men and women -- which emerges from the fact that female sexuality is fundamentally worth more than male sexuality -- can be in part responsible for the plight of the male virgins in this thread.

ZergFluid posted:

I agree 100% with this. Forgive me for neglecting the (real) economic factor.

Since women could work post-sexual revolution, they were free to select men based entirely on attractiveness. However, this has led to the situation of women spending their best years in terms of attractiveness (their 20s) supporting themselves and casually/serially dating men on a selective criteria that allowed them to date "up." The average woman in her 20s is either locked down in a relationship or is "single" (can, and does, easily get validation sex from higher ranked males who would gladly use her for sex.) This basic inequality between men and women -- which emerges from the fact that female sexuality is fundamentally worth more than male sexuality -- can be in part responsible for the plight of the male virgins in this thread.

Twisty of Fate posted:

Ever consider that those people that can't have sex, shouldn't?

ZergFluid posted:

Hahahaahaha.

That is the state of nature.

There is data that suggests 80% of women who ever lived managed to reproduce, while only 40% of men have.

We could at least legalize prostitution for those (er, these) men who lose out.

Agent Kool-Aid posted:

it's good to know that in the year of luigi 2014 women aren't chastised for having sex and in fact get to pick and choose whoever they want based on their internal sex number, while men are punished by the invisible masturbating hand of the sex market and can't get laid due to a conspiracy designed by the women who control society

CestMoi posted:

Agent Kool-Aid posted:

it's good to know that in the year of luigi 2014 women aren't chastised for having sex and in fact get to pick and choose whoever they want based on their internal sex number, while men are punished by the invisible masturbating hand of the sex market and can't get laid due to a conspiracy designed by the women who control society

HazCat posted:

So there's zero problem, and nothing needs to be changed.

ArfJason posted:

You guys lol all you want but you're lucky to be living in the united states. Down here in Argentina sex inflation is off the roof.

ZergFluid posted:

Hahahaahaha.

That is the state of nature.

There is data that suggests 80% of women who ever lived managed to reproduce, while only 40% of men have.

We could at least legalize prostitution for those (er, these) men who lose out.

ZergFluid posted:

Jesus christ is this cruel.

Look, here's the thing: There are plenty of women out there who are this guy (or any uber-nerd's) equivalents in terms of attractiveness, personality, social rank, etc. Decades ago the two of them would have gotten together and wed. The sexual revolution however has allowed the women who are equivalents of this guy in terms of sex rank (i.e, 1 to 10 scale) to date men who are higher on the sex rank ladder, all because in our somewhat libertarian sexual enviroment, the top 20% of guys can get more than fair share of women, which puts pressure on the guy's below them on the ladder to date down just to get girlfriends, and to date even further down if they want to mimic the player behavior of the guys with rank 7 to 10. This basically fucks over the unattractive guys.

The nicest thing we can do for those guys who have sex ranks of 1 to 4 is to legalize prostitution.

ZergFluid posted:

Hahahaahaha.

That is the state of nature.

There is data that suggests 80% of women who ever lived managed to reproduce, while only 40% of men have.

We could at least legalize prostitution for those (er, these) men who lose out.

Clochette posted:

I'm in favor of legalizing prostitution but as the system is now, it's not male clients who are being screwed by the system. It's very easy to hire a sex worker.

ZergFluid posted:

No it isn't, in the United States. Prohibition of prostitution has an effect on the quality of women who are willing to become prostitutes and on prices. The men who would need the services of prostitutes can't probably afford it on the illegal market, and that's exactly the point of legal prohibition -- not to stamp out the practice but to reduce the supply of sex workers as to make it hard/expensive/disgusting etc to seek out such services. Decriminalization would mean open competition between sex workers with resulting lower prices and a higher caliber of sex worker.

lidnsya posted:

And who is to say that if prostitution was completely legal, they wouldn't still be picking the "top men" as clients. Should women be forced to have sex with people that disgust them?

ZergFluid posted:

No it isn't, in the United States. Prohibition of prostitution has an effect on the quality of women who are willing to become prostitutes and on prices. The men who would need the services of prostitutes can't probably afford it on the illegal market, and that's exactly the point of legal prohibition -- not to stamp out the practice but to reduce the supply of sex workers as to make it hard/expensive/disgusting etc to seek out such services. Decriminalization would mean open competition between sex workers with resulting lower prices and a higher caliber of sex worker.

ZergFluid posted:

No it isn't, in the United States. Prohibition of prostitution has an effect on the quality of women who are willing to become prostitutes and on prices. The men who would need the services of prostitutes can't probably afford it on the illegal market, and that's exactly the point of legal prohibition -- not to stamp out the practice but to reduce the supply of sex workers as to make it hard/expensive/disgusting etc to seek out such services. Decriminalization would mean open competition between sex workers with resulting lower prices and a higher caliber of sex worker.

ZergFluid posted:

No it isn't, in the United States. Prohibition of prostitution has an effect on the quality of women who are willing to become prostitutes and on prices. The men who would need the services of prostitutes can't probably afford it on the illegal market, and that's exactly the point of legal prohibition -- not to stamp out the practice but to reduce the supply of sex workers as to make it hard/expensive/disgusting etc to seek out such services. Decriminalization would mean open competition between sex workers with resulting lower prices and a higher caliber of sex worker.

Pinball posted:

So, ZergFluid, how does your 'beep boop insert attention/money receive sex because I am top rank male' account for female virgins? I'm a virgin and not horrible-looking, perhaps I should go looking for some of these 'top-rank males' you speak of. I wonder if there are women PUAs, and if so, how they could be so silly as to believe in this bullshit.

Clochette posted:

Forget women and children being trafficked, exploited, and raped. Men are the real victims... of high prices!

Ootrek posted:

I will point fingers everywhere except towards myself to blame my lack of sexual experience because I'm delusional and insecure.

quote:

Suppose I was unemployed. These things can all be true:

-I lack skills that are needed in the current economy.
-I'm simply unemployable.
-There is a recession.

Any of these things can be true, or, they can all be true. Likewise, though I made no claim about being a virgin myself, for the situation of any of the male virgins who have posted here so far, it can well be true that there is something individually wrong with these dudes in terms of dating skills or attractiveness, but that doesn't really tell us whether or not they're also being affected by larger cultural forces that have to do with the consequences of the sexual revolution and feminism.

ZergFluid posted:

I specifically addressed this type of thinking when I said this:

change my name posted:

Having a loving personality does the same thing.

Spiffo posted:

I said it before and I'll say it again

Jane I get that you're frustrated, but things really are that much more complex than the "manosphere" pretends.

I used to argue the same way you did. I once unironically quoted the ladder theory, and talked about how men evolved to X while women traditionally did Y, and how women are attracted to jerks because <reason> and the few elite playboy guys keep getting all the girls because they're good at it whereas all a woman has to do is open her legs and blah blah blah

This poo poo is holding you back, man. It's reinforcing the whole "society working against guys like you" mindset and is just going to turn you more bitter and angry and resentful toward women and yourself. Let it go, pick up some hobbies and focus on them for a while. Work on improving yourself, and make friends - then instead of a bitter guy trying to figure out how the system works, people will see a well-adjusted person who's got his poo poo in order. Most women (most PEOPLE) are into that.

Again, as someone who's been there, even if you got what you wanted you'd still be unhappy. You have to solve the real problem.

The women are telling you that you're wrong. The people who are having successful fulfilling relationships are telling you that you're wrong. People who know anyone in a successful fulfilling relationship are telling you that you're wrong. The paper is bullshit and does not accurately describe the problem. Your clinging to it is making your life worse.

Agent Kool-Aid posted:

dude, i think you're kind of arguing from a flawed position mainly because we all know for a fact that you're goddamn stupid and insane, and you haven't magically stumbled on some sort of hidden knowledge about society that no one but a select few are aware of

ZergFluid posted:

You're telling me I'm wrong but you're not addressing my arguments. I'm just offering a perspective other than the one that solely blames the men who have shared their plight in this thread.