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Hasn't Brad Bird been working on the story for a sequel since the first one ended? I thought the rumor was that he's always been thinking of something, but could never get the right story for a sequel, and he was plenty well taking his time to do it right.
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TheBigBudgetSequel posted:Incredibles is disappointing since I don't think they can top it. While this is true, I think The Incredibles lends itself better to a sequel than any other Pixar property. There's a lot of different ways you can approach the basic premise of a crime-fighting superhero family. Besides, Brad Bird is working on it again and everything that man touches turns to gold.
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Mar 18, 2014 19:02
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Samuel Clemens posted:While this is true, I think The Incredibles lends itself better to a sequel than any other Pixar property. There's a lot of different ways to approach the basic premise of crime-fighting superhero family. Besides, Brad Bird is working on it again and everything that man touches turns into gold. Incredibles is the only Pixar film (outside of Toy Story) that I've ever even wanted a sequel to, so this is pretty cool news as far as I'm concerned.
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Mar 18, 2014 19:03
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I've absolutely hated everything Blue Sky's ever put out, but the lack of pop culture/anachronistic/toilet humor in the Peanuts trailer has me... cautiously hopeful. As for Pixar and sequels, the only one that was actually worse than its predecessor is Cars 2 (haven't seen Monsters U but it seemed quite popular), so we've still got a good 3:1 chance that the Incredibles will give us a good sequel. I do agree with Pick however, in that I prefer they focus on original, self-contained stories. I love seeing fresh, new environments, meeting new characters and exploring the unique style of each movie. Also, I feel like the Incredibles has places to explore in that world. I wouldn't mind hearing more about it. Finding Nemo, however, was succinctly and perfectly self-contained and I'm not excited about Finding Dory. 
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Mar 18, 2014 19:06
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Das Boo posted:As for Pixar and sequels, the only one that was actually worse than its predecessor is Cars 2 (haven't seen Monsters U but it seemed quite popular), so we've still got a good 3:1 chance that the Incredibles will give us a good sequel. I do agree with Pick however, in that I prefer they focus on original, self-contained stories. I love seeing fresh, new environments, meeting new characters and exploring the unique style of each movie. I actually think every Pixar sequel has been worse than its predecessor. Toy Story, in my opinion, is still the best film they've put out because it's the only one where I feel the central conflict was clearly addressed resolved in the correct way without obfuscation. (That is, the scene where Woody admits his feelings of inferiority and fear of obsolescence. Not in the middle of a battle or transitively through some other experience.) Toy Story 2 is a good film with some new ideas but doesn't hit that note as well. Toy Story 3 feels too refined and basically rehashes the theme of Toy Story 2. Cars 2 is without substance, although maybe that's not so bad because I actually object to the substance of the first. gently caress you teeny horrible towns. I've driven through you. You're stupid  . Monsters University was nice, but I didn't like the bootstraps message particularly and I felt most of the screentime was treading water.None of their sequels have been bad, but a new, original film would have been better. There are tons of good stories out there to be told, it feels almost unfair to dedicate resources to constantly revisiting one world. But I feel this way about films generally. Pick fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Mar 18, 2014 |
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Mar 18, 2014 19:21
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I loved Monsters U and Toy Story 2+3 (and the shorts it spawned) and felt like Cars 2 would've worked if they hadn't included Mater and Lightning at all and just made it a spy movie. However I don't like them planning even more sequels. The only reason I'm interested in Finding Dory is because the first one is loving gorgeous and I can't wait to see how much better the environments can look nowadays. But do we need another Cars movie? I was excited for an Incredibles sequel back in like 05 or whenever it came out, but now I'm fine with just letting that be. Or maybe they're doing this on purpose so WDFA shines even brighter 
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Mar 18, 2014 19:32
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Just found this proof trailer for a movie called 'Beast of Burden'. Haven't heard about it anywhere else but I thought you guys might know about it. I really like the tone the trailer sets, hope the movie comes to fruition and doesn't fall for dumb gags and pop culture songs. http://vimeo.com/87924900 Here's a little more about it: http://www.cartoonbrew.com/feature-film/kirby-atkins-is-making-progress-on-his-feature-beast-of-burden-96998.html
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Mar 18, 2014 19:33
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Wellp. Definitely interested in that. The animation is nice, and the facial expressions look really good even though it doesn't seem like they should? They left the momma at the farm though 
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Mar 18, 2014 19:44
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Chedranian Girl posted:Just found this proof trailer for a movie called 'Beast of Burden'. Haven't heard about it anywhere else but I thought you guys might know about it. I really like the tone the trailer sets, hope the movie comes to fruition and doesn't fall for dumb gags and pop culture songs. I liked it but the faces reminds me of Delgo  Might just be a problem with me though.For a brief moment I thought it was the Beasts of Burden film (please don't languish in development hell forever).
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Mar 18, 2014 20:09
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Samuel Clemens posted:While this is true, I think The Incredibles lends itself better to a sequel than any other Pixar property. There's a lot of different ways you can approach the basic premise of a crime-fighting superhero family. Besides, Brad Bird is working on it again and everything that man touches turns to gold. I love The Incredibles (my favorite Pixar movie behind the original Toy Story) and anything Brad Bird does, but for whatever reason I've never particularly wanted in Incredibles sequel. The themes and characters in that movie are just wrapped up so beautifully by the end that it's tough to imagine another story tacked on. Macaluso posted:I loved Monsters U and Toy Story 2+3 (and the shorts it spawned) and felt like Cars 2 would've worked if they hadn't included Mater and Lightning at all and just made it a spy movie. See, I think Mater could have been kept in and the whole thing would have been a fun fish-out-of-water spy movie. The bits with Lightning and his whole "accept your friends for who they are!!" thing was what really dragged the movie down.
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Mar 18, 2014 20:33
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New Boxtrolls trailer, not much new footage though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUYNcf4O7IA Fairly excited. Coraline and ParaNorman are some of my absolute animation favorites.
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Mar 18, 2014 20:55
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neonnoodle posted:All the studios seem to be starting to realize that you have to intentionally add imperfection and roughness to CG to make it look warm and human. Things like shooting on 2's and adding fake line boil. I looked up line boil, but I can't figure out what shootin on 2's means, even after googling it.
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Mar 18, 2014 21:03
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I'm starting to realize the death of 2-D animation may not be all bad, a lot of new cgi films are trying to be a blend of both worlds and makes them phenomenal looking. TV still uses 2D too, but they need to stop tweening every drat thing.
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Mar 18, 2014 21:21
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Pick posted:I actually think every Pixar sequel has been worse than its predecessor. Toy Story, in my opinion, is still the best film they've put out because it's the only one where I feel the central conflict was clearly addressed resolved in the correct way without obfuscation. (That is, the scene where Woody admits his feelings of inferiority and fear of obsolescence. Not in the middle of a battle or transitively through some other experience.) Toy Story 2 is a good film with some new ideas but doesn't hit that note as well. Toy Story 3 feels too refined and basically rehashes the theme of Toy Story 2. Toy Story always felt a little clunky to me and I felt like they smoothed out all the wrinkles with the third installment. Each their own. v v
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Mar 18, 2014 21:23
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chthonic bell posted:I looked up line boil, but I can't figure out what shootin on 2's means, even after googling it. It's how animators used to save money, by cutting the framerate in half and only using half the animation cels. (So with a typical 48FPS camera, you change your animation cel on 2, 4, 6, 8 etc)
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Mar 18, 2014 21:24
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Yeah and you can fake this in CG by working at 12fps some of the time, or doubling some frames even if the computer could interpolate the movement for you.
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Mar 18, 2014 21:29
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Das Boo posted:Toy Story always felt a little clunky to me and I felt like they smoothed out all the wrinkles with the third installment. Each their own. v Yeah, I agree (about the "to each their own" part). I definitely don't want anyone to think I consider my taste authoritative. I definitely have a penchant for imperfect films, or films that have a certain grit. Something like LAIKA will always, always be more appealing to me stylistically than contemporary PIXAR and WDAS, and the same goes for storytelling beats too. I don't really want a film I completely sink into. I almost felt a little abused coming out of Toy Story 3 because I felt it enraptured me a bit too much, like it took me out of the mindset where I could analyze it. It took a second viewing for me to get out of it what I normally get from the first viewing of a film. Pick fucked around with this message at 22:56 on Mar 18, 2014 |
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Mar 18, 2014 22:54
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Pick posted:I definitely don't want anyone to think I consider my taste authoritative. Well, of course your taste isn't authoritative. You didn't like Up.  We still love you. May Bee Movie Burn In Hell.
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Mar 19, 2014 02:31
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So there's no hope that we'll ever see another animated film that's drawn and painted by hand, is there? Even though that Peanuts trailer was a relief (I was expecting an abomination), I think there's still a quality to the old stuff that they'll never recapture - and it apparently isn't feasible to try.
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Mar 19, 2014 02:33
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sbagliom posted:So there's no hope that we'll ever see another animated film that's drawn and painted by hand, is there? Even though that Peanuts trailer was a relief (I was expecting an abomination), I think there's still a quality to the old stuff that they'll never recapture - and it apparently isn't feasible to try. The Overcoat :iamafag:.
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Mar 19, 2014 02:34
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sbagliom posted:So there's no hope that we'll ever see another animated film that's drawn and painted by hand, is there? Even though that Peanuts trailer was a relief (I was expecting an abomination), I think there's still a quality to the old stuff that they'll never recapture - and it apparently isn't feasible to try. I dunno, Paperman looked really really good and when they do a whole movie like that it's going to be amazing. There's obviously a certain charm you lose by not having hand drawn animation, but I'm not really lamenting the loss of it as I once did. Some of the stuff people are doing now is really impressing me as far as pushing the boundaries for computer animation. Like Hotel Transylvania
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Mar 19, 2014 02:36
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sbagliom posted:So there's no hope that we'll ever see another animated film that's drawn and painted by hand, is there? Even though that Peanuts trailer was a relief (I was expecting an abomination), I think there's still a quality to the old stuff that they'll never recapture - and it apparently isn't feasible to try. The problem is new people just aren't really learning in cell animation anymore. I remember on one of the Simpsons commentaries they said they held out on animating it on computers for years, but the new animators they were getting simply just didn't have experience working with cells rather than drawing on computers so they eventually had to make the switch. I think part of the problem is just cost. It's pretty much infinitely cheaper to store cells on computers rather than needing thousands upon thousands of physical cells. It is also way easier on the actual animators because editing and fixing things just becomes insanely easier. Advantages like that really can't compete with an undefinable charm that only the most die hard of fans of the medium give a poo poo about.
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Mar 19, 2014 02:47
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ComposerGuy posted:Incredibles is the only Pixar film (outside of Toy Story) that I've ever even wanted a sequel to, so this is pretty cool news as far as I'm concerned. This is how I feel pretty much exactly, I've always been curious what would happen to the characters and world after the original movie ended. If Bird can put together a strong story for it I'd be so down for an Incredibles sequel.
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Mar 19, 2014 02:52
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I'm not sure what you're referring to, axleblaze. Are you referring to animating with paper and pencil versus animating on a Cintiq (or comparable) interface, or are you referring to the switch from ink and paint cells to scanning and digital color fills?
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Mar 19, 2014 02:57
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axleblaze posted:Advantages like that really can't compete with an undefinable charm that only the most die hard of fans of the medium give a poo poo about. I remember reading a story in which Walt Disney expressed a similar regret when comparing pencil tests to finished animation.
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Mar 19, 2014 03:03
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Peanuts teaser put a big ol' smile on my face. Thanks for linking it.
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Mar 19, 2014 04:03
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It looks like the Peanuts movie is going to have the character designs be most similar to the ones Schulz used near the end of his 50-year run, especially the short-nosed Snoopy and looser linework.
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Mar 19, 2014 04:41
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You know, I'm okay with sequels, when they're done right. Having a movie continue an already completed story is not a crime and opens things up for interesting possibilities, ways to continue from the ending of the first that don't retread the exact same story. Pixar has an excellent track record with it's sequels, most of them are arguably better than their predecessors, and The Incredibles is probably the most exciting sequel they will ever make for me, as the first movie, god do I love that movie but I often skip the third act cause it's just a mess, the movie feels way too rushed towards the end, but the possibilities that ending opens up for more stories has left me excited for a sequel pretty much since I first saw the movie a decade ago. Oh yeah, and the movie is a decade old, so I think that follow-up is long, long over due. If Brad is only just starting writing this then we'll see it in theatres in four-five years, if he's actually finished and working on production then three-four years, either way we're not gonna see this movie till 2017 at the earliest. That's 13 years since the first movie. I think it'll be worth the wait.
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Mar 19, 2014 06:18
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Corek posted:It looks like the Peanuts movie is going to have the character designs be most similar to the ones Schulz used near the end of his 50-year run, especially the short-nosed Snoopy and looser linework. Somehow I imagine that the partial idea behind that was something like, 'Let's visually continue off of the very last strip as some sort of spiritual continuation.'
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Mar 19, 2014 09:18
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Nikaer Drekin posted:I love The Incredibles (my favorite Pixar movie behind the original Toy Story) and anything Brad Bird does, but for whatever reason I've never particularly wanted in Incredibles sequel. The themes and characters in that movie are just wrapped up so beautifully by the end that it's tough to imagine another story tacked on. quote:See, I think Mater could have been kept in and the whole thing would have been a fun fish-out-of-water spy movie. The bits with Lightning and his whole "accept your friends for who they are!!" thing was what really dragged the movie down.
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Mar 19, 2014 09:48
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A new cars sequel leaves me feeling  . I liked the second, but it wasn't nearly as memorable as any of the other Pixar efforts.I really wanted a sequel to the Incredibles, so I look forward to it. But I expect it to become standard superhero fair, I just can't see it becoming anything else. Pick posted:Yeah, I agree (about the "to each their own" part). I definitely don't want anyone to think I consider my taste authoritative. I definitely have a penchant for imperfect films, or films that have a certain grit. Something like LAIKA will always, always be more appealing to me stylistically than contemporary PIXAR and WDAS, and the same goes for storytelling beats too. I don't really want a film I completely sink into. I almost felt a little abused coming out of Toy Story 3 because I felt it enraptured me a bit too much, like it took me out of the mindset where I could analyze it. It took a second viewing for me to get out of it what I normally get from the first viewing of a film. This part confuses me. So you didn't like Toy Story 3 as much as the first because the movie drew you in too much? While I understand that people have different ways of viewing movies, I really have to ask you what you felt after watching Toy Story 1 the first time. It seems to me that any movie that enraptures you and "forces" you in a different watching behaviour is worth it's weight in gold. (if movies weighed anything that is)
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Depends what Pick meant by feeling "abused". It just reminded me of something I mentioned way back about it, I forget exactly what I said but the gist was that the whole last part just felt brutal, like it was a totally perfected realization of a Pixar tear generating formula. Up's ending was similar for me, just at some point you can sense when it's going to make you go all  Hell my issue with Cars 2 above is that it felt like they were trying for it but totally blew it and felt way out of place. Lego Movie had some similar contrasting tones but pulled it off really well.
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Mar 19, 2014 10:11
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I think that Cars 2 could have been a good movie if it wasn't dragged down by Larry the Cable Guy playing the main the character.
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Mar 19, 2014 12:57
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Darth TNT posted:A new cars sequel leaves me feeling I know some people thought the Toy Story 3 was rather emotionally manipulative (which I don't agree with but I can see why they'd say it). Maybe that's what she meant by abused?
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Mar 19, 2014 13:28
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IShallRiseAgain posted:I think that Cars 2 could have been a good movie if it wasn't dragged down by Larry the Cable Guy playing the main the character. I surprised myself by liking his performance, and the only thing wrong with the character is that the whole thing was about how incredibly stupid he is, which meant it was trying to be simultaneously derisive and sympathetic, and that just didn't work.
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Mar 19, 2014 13:36
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The problem with actual factual physical animation on cels is it's just an unbelieveable pain in the arse. I occasionally paint single cels just for fun, and my god it takes FOREVER, like an hour or two per cel. Even with the specialist quick drying cel paint it would take 30 minutes+ for a somewhat complex frame, more if it's multi layer. You can do the same thing on a computer in a few seconds or a couple of minutes. And of course a lot of folks still do the actual animation on paper, they just scan it in for colouring. While having the screen-used cels available to collectors is nice, other than that I don't really mourn the loss of the process, cels were a solution to a problem that computers solve more efficiently. Visually you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference, in fact Princess Mononoke has some shots done on cels and some coloured on computer when they ran out of time, and I challenge anyone who doesn't already know to tell me which ones are which. And if you're not spending 2/3 of your budget paying a hundred non-animators to do all the donkey work of colouring, you can afford to make the more films, or to make the same number of films richer and more detailed, or take more risks.
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Darth TNT posted:This part confuses me. So you didn't like Toy Story 3 as much as the first because the movie drew you in too much? Personally, I prefer when a viewing experience is reflective of you individually, just as we have individual perspectives on everything else that occurs in life. When I went to TS3, everyone in the theater--young and old--had exactly the same reaction to everything happening on-screen in almost perfect synchronization, and that includes me. The discussion thread here indicated that these beats hit universally. I prefer films that help facilitate your thinking, kind of a "you get out what you put in" approach. For example, who do you sympathize with more in "A Goofy Movie", Max or Goofy? As a kid, I found Max intolerable, but the older I've gotten the more I've sympathized with him because his life is being railroaded by someone who means well but isn't listening. With Toy Story 3, there wasn't really any mystery why I felt what I felt, and any sensible person would react in such a way at those times. It's not wrong or "bad" per se but I felt something I get out of my favorite films was missing. Pick fucked around with this message at 15:03 on Mar 19, 2014 |
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Mar 19, 2014 15:00
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Fatkraken posted:And if you're not spending 2/3 of your budget paying a hundred non-animators to do all the donkey work of colouring, you can afford to make the more films, or to make the same number of films richer and more detailed, or take more risks. That's why I wasn't sure what axleblaze was saying, because the ink and paint people have always been separate from the animators.
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I think most of what I was saying applies to both the animators and ink and paint though. It does provide far more benefit to the ink and paint side, but all the conveniences that apply to ink and paint still apply to animation (no material costs, easier to correct mistakes, easier to go back and change things completely).
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Up's my favorite Pixar movie because Dug reminds me so much of my childhood dog who I still can't talk about without crying. So I get what you're saying, Pick. Though I didn't have the same experience with TS3 as most people: I was sitting next to my sister in the theatre and she burst out laughing at the climax. (She loved the movie but thought they were trying too hard. And... yeah, a bit.)
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