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Horsebanger posted:
CK2 wiki is down so I can't double-check, but we're nowhere near close to forming it yet. Since we still need two more pentarchs just the reform the Schism (and with the content Trajan in charge, CBs are a bit thin on the ground). We'll be using custom ideas that reflect the particular history we see in CK2 (and the actions of the Senate!) in EU4, so we won't just be using the Roman Empire straight out of the exporter even if we do hammer that reform button eventually. Whether we're called Byzantium or Rome in EU4 probably has a lot more to do with the Senate than anything else, really. Have you noticed how in all these years of New Byzantine rule, we've started to see "Byzantine Empire" slip into the contemporary historians? Well, maybe not, since we just got through like fifty years of Anna Anatolike, who I wrote as an Old Roman die-hard, but that's supposed to be a thing, anyway. Empress Theonora fucked around with this message at 09:49 on Mar 21, 2014 |
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Remember to vote Old Roman for imperial restoration! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWVgQYN37yk Because Rome doesn't need unwashed Sunni's and Genoese traders at her gates!
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Mar 21, 2014 10:19
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 ##Vote Milvians  ##Vote Phanariotes My cousin has managed to gain the position of First Theologian at the University of Constantinople (perhaps due to my esteemed grand-uncle sponsoring the bill that led to its reconstruction), and it must be noted that a great deal of good has come out of it. A greater understanding of our ancestors and our religion, as well as the continued expansion of imperial economic power. I understand the engineers in the University have come up with several novel ideas for reinforcing the Theodosian Walls, though as to how practical they are, I am not sure. We Milvians have proven that policy devoted to the expansion of belief in Christ and the knowledge of the world God made is wise, and I must advocate for my party now. With our brothers and fellow-members the Fraternalists, the delegation of power to members of the church and trade republics has weakened the relative position of the douxes, and left Emperor Traianos presiding over a peaceful, powerful Empire. Should we not continue in these wise ways?
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Mar 21, 2014 10:34
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Mar 21, 2014 10:35
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##Vote New Byzantines ##Vote Phanariotes While I am sorely tempted to join the Pragmatists, I shall stay with the New Byzantines, like my father, his father before him, all the way back a few centuries. Though we New Byzantines may not have a truly clear goal right now, I believe that if we keep going, we'll find something new and good to do.
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Mar 21, 2014 10:43
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##Vote Old Romans  ##Vote Expansionists
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Mar 21, 2014 10:49
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After much consideration, I feel I must leave the Old Romans for their new subsidiary. ##Vote Unitas ##Vote Expansionists Senators, I urge you to consider the practical benefits of a monocultural, monolingual, and monoreligious state. Administration would become far simpler if nothing else. After all, did not our ancestors make speaking Latin a requirement of Roman citizenship? Until Caracalla ruined it, that is...
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Mar 21, 2014 11:39
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##Vote Komnenians Ain't no party like the Komnenian Party cause the Komnenian party don't stop! Yeah!!  Well...except for that time when a eunuch was running the empire because the Empress was a two year old, and that time that Alexios got captured by the Doukes and castrated...and a number of other times now that I think about it...er... ##Vote Phanariotes ... Universities! FRAT PARTIES! YEAH!!
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 ##Vote True Religion's Advocates In Time Of Rebellion & Strife Even with the Bishop of Rome ostracized from Rome itself, the usefulness of reconciling and working with the Latins has not abated. At the very least, I would recommend we start taking a more Western-oriented approach, consider moving the capital back to Rome, and maybe even switch back to the tongue of our forefathers and properly become Romans once more. Via console, I suppose. Don't think there's any in-game events or decisions for it. It'd help in dealing with the Italians and Franks, at least, since Latin's the language of their administrations and intelligentsia anyways. Of course, the greatest potential boost to our diplomatic ability would be to reconcile with the Bishop of Rome himself.
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 ##Vote Guiding LightIt is absolutely necessary for the Emperor to covert to Sunni Islam; if he does not we shall lose the blessing of Allah and will never be able to truly restore the Roman Empire. Barbarians will conquer us if we do not convert. Once more, just as it was before, Barbarians will topple Rome. The only way to avoid this is to immediately convert to Islam and establish a new directive requiring all Douxs and Douxesses to immediately convert as well.
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##Vote Milvians ##Vote Phanariotes May His light illuminate our thoughts and teach us how to best face what the future holds.
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Mar 21, 2014 12:58
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##Vote New Byzantines ##Vote Phanariotes While new parties are tempting, my family has been New Byzantines since their inception. Byzantium forever!
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Ofaloaf posted:
This man is quite clearly a fool. As everyone knows, even in the time of the old empire, the eastern half was administered in and spoke the tongue of Greece. Incidentally, this history lesson serves as a wonderful preface to my change of allegiance. I may be a pragmatist at heart, but I have no interest in a party that is going nowhere in two different directions at once. ##Vote Old Roman ##Vote PHanariotes
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##Vote Old Romans My family has long dreamed of the restoration of the Roman Empire, and I see no reason to abandon that ideal when we have come so far.
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Ofaloaf posted:Of course, the greatest potential boost to our diplomatic ability would be to reconcile with the Bishop of Rome himself. But we are reconciled to the Bishop of Rome. His place within the Pentarchy has been restored, and the orthodoxy of his faith is beyond reproach. Why are you not satisfied with your greatest wish? ##Vote Milvians  ##Vote New Marians ##Vote Expansionists ##Vote Phanariotes I remain a loyal servant of the Emperor and stand with the Milvians, and maintain my family's strong support for inter-party initiatives on an inclusive basis. I represent the ΑΙ υποσημειώ Ιμπυ lineage, although I fear I may not live throughout the entirety of your glorious reign, O Emperor. My children watch proceedings and will replace me in due course, but I have no desire to retire just yet.
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Rejected Fate posted:
##Vote Fraternalists ##Vote Phanariotes Well said by my fellow compatriot, we need a Levant trade republic to compete with Somali and we need to disrupt the flow of trade from Somalia
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Ratoslov posted:
##Vote New Byzantines ##Vote Phanariotes Because I want to be in a party with these ideas....Though she might want to work on her timing.
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##Vote Old Romans For the Glory!
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##Vote Old Romans ##Vote Expansionists Why do the New Byzantines not have a platform grr most of you are just bandwagon-voting for the cool insignia anyways I know the truth 
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 ##Vote Unitas ##Vote Expansionists ##Vote Phanariotes As we expand, I feel that it is important to educate our subjects, to teach them their new Roman history, Greek, and Orthodoxy. Education is the best, I think, of the many tools we could use to assimilate the populace. @EightDeer: Welcome to the party! We will convince this Senate yet. Lord Cyrahzax fucked around with this message at 15:22 on Mar 21, 2014 |
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##Vote New Byzantines ##Vote Phanariotes Having returned from my visit to Kiev, I also want to thank the Emperor for the continued work on trying to convert the Golden Horde, as they are the greatest threat to the True Faith up north.
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##Vote New Byzantines ##Vote Phanariotes DivineCoffeeBinge posted:Why do the New Byzantines not have a platform grr most of you are just bandwagon-voting for the cool insignia anyways I know the truth We're working on it, jeez! I'm trying to articulate poo poo as fast as I can, but it's hard to write with these nails. 'But Iouliana, you could hire a scribe! Or just cut your nails short!' I hear. But I'm both hard-working and fabulous, and I refuse to compromise my ideals in the face of adversity! Or something! D3m3 posted:Because I want to be in a party with these ideas....Though she might want to work on her timing. Thank you! I'm glad to be breathing new life into a party losing direction! Woah, that sounded cool when I said it.
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##Vote New Byzantines ##Vote Phanariotes  Arshak I Qutuzid You claim we Byzantines don't have a program, yet you can't be any more wrong. Our program is rather simple, yet nonetheless grand: Inclusion. The rights of every citizen of our glorious Empire, the Byzantine Empire, shall be equal. No matter their gender, no matter their tongue, no matter their religion, all shall stand equally before the state and the law. Many of my fellow senators, not only from my own party but from the other parties as well, see to my idea with open eyes. Even the Unitas, in their own peculiar way, want this to happen. With this in mind I want to show my support to a fellow member of the New Byzantines, Senator Blackunknown, and his Divided as One Act. While it does not fit my own idea of what should be done, it perfectly suits its purpose as a compromise should one ever be needed. Blackunknown posted:After hearing Unitas prattle on about "assimilation" senate session after senate session, I would like to counter propose a solution other than "ALL MUST BE GREEK BLARG". I propose the κατανέμονται ως ένα Act(divided as one). This act would allow the fusing of minority culture with Greek culture. This would allow them to become "Greek" while keeping their cultural heritage and language while combining it with Greek heritage and language. This would allow the cultural unity that Unitas so desires without force-assimalating other cultures at sword-point. In addition to our main pillar of Tolerance we, as one of the biggest blocks for the Phanariotes, have a large platform regarding knowledge and understanding. The amassing of Knowledge from far and wide, the allowance of everyone to attend and study at our Valerian University, the learning and teaching between customs and religions. This platform, called Enlightenment, gives the second pillar upon which the rest of the New Byzantine party stand upon. With Tolerance and Enlightenment the inclusion of every thought and idea fits the party ideal. Every man or woman is equal before the law, even the Basilleus himself. He may be our blessed ruler, but not even he should be immune to the laws of his own Empire. To Annex the Levantine in order to protect pilgrims of every creed trying to get to the Holy City. To annex the Old Rome in order to get hold of the Papal Archives, and the knowledge stored therein. To annex the Black Sea Coast to cement our Bulgar Merchants' reign over the sea, and to further spread the ideals of the Christian Church and the Byzantine State. Wherever we go we go not as conquerors, but defenders. Protecting the weaker states from those that would seek nothing but to pounce upon them, and allowing them to live in peace in our Empire in exchange for their loyalty to the Crown, while learning of their ways and what they have to teach us in return, that is the New Byzantine platform. The TRUE New Byzantine platform, and the one my family have supported for more than a century and a half.  I would love to hear my fellow Byzantines' thoughts about my statement. Is this our Platform? Tolerance and Enlightenment? The Protection of the smaller states from their hungry neighbours? To defend the People of the world from those who seek to impose on them?DivineCoffeeBinge posted:Why do the New Byzantines not have a platform grr most of you are just bandwagon-voting for the cool insignia anyways I know the truth OOC: Are you kidding me? The Old Romans have the best flag around! I vote for the Libertarian-Modernizer Party because it is obviously the most fun party. Besides, if I didn't play a Turkish minority I wouldn't be able to have these hilarious squabbles with Cyrahzax.
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 ##Vote Pragmatists ##Vote Phanariotes One might ask what we must be afraid of. They might look to our Empire and say, "Who can topple us?" The West is too weak to even dint our armor, though the rise of France is to be watched warily. But the East remains a land locked in mystery and veiled in dangers. Who knows what forces might come swarming over the eastern border next? And can we do anything to stop the armies that are already entrenched into their positions? Not just these "Mongols," but also those that had once stolen Anatolia from us. We must remain strong. We must not waste our energy on frivolous invasions, but instead focus our energy on blunting the might of our enemy and any of their potential allies. Join the Pragmatists. Stand in preparation of the coming age.
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Luhood posted:
If that is your platform, why not call it what it is: the betrayal of everything Rome has ever stood for. Constantine I, first Christian Emperor, first banned construction of pagan temples then ordered existing ones torn down. Theodosius I, the last Emperor to rule over East and West both, declared paganism outlawed in no uncertain terms and executed pagan priests. Justinian's famous legal code bars pagans from all government offices and allows for the seizure of their property. The matter has long since been settled: Christianity is the only path to salvation. Now you would invite all manner of heathens and heretics to parade past the Great Palace, possibly even make sacrifice to their blasphemous gods in the Forum of Constantine right in front of the Senate building? You disgust me. As for "The Protection of the smaller states from their hungry neighbours" and "[defending] the People of the world from those who seek to impose on them", don't make me laugh. Let's be completely honest: we did not build the greatest empire the world has ever seen by asking nicely; we took that land with sword and spear and entire lakes of spilt blood. We never, not once, spared a single thought as to whether those conquered wished to be ruled by Rome. The results, well, they speak for themselves. The path to greatness lies not in benevolent defence of our neighbours, greatness is achieved by crushing those neighbours under the boots of our soldiers.
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##Vote Komnenians ##Vote Phanariotes Let us continue our technological endeavors, so that we might discover news ways to get wasted. Also contraception, let's discover more of that.
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