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theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

Cry Havoc and let slip the Hogs of War
Does the Destroy ending just destroy robot bodies or does it destroy programs because the geth and even EDI are just programs. If it does destroy programs, does it destroy internet explorer or photoshop or whatever in the process?

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JawKnee
Mar 24, 2007





You'll take the ride to leave this town along that yellow line

Crappy Jack posted:

"Time to get mean."

:iamafag: seriously

JawKnee
Mar 24, 2007





You'll take the ride to leave this town along that yellow line

theCalamity posted:

Does the Destroy ending just destroy robot bodies or does it destroy programs because the geth and even EDI are just programs. If it does destroy programs, does it destroy internet explorer or photoshop or whatever in the process?

who fuckin knows man

and who cares, they're machines that feel no fear or pain.

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

theCalamity posted:

Does the Destroy ending just destroy robot bodies or does it destroy programs because the geth and even EDI are just programs. If it does destroy programs, does it destroy internet explorer or photoshop or whatever in the process?

Does Synthesis mean husks are sentient now? The extended cut certainly made it seem like that's the case. If so, what about Praetorians, which are like 30 husks fused together, or Cannibals, which are a batarian and a human, or a Brute, which is a krogan and a turian?

GenericOverusedName
Nov 24, 2009

KUVA TEAM EPIC
You don't want to go down this road. Trust me.

PootieTang
Aug 2, 2011

by XyloJW

theCalamity posted:

Does the Destroy ending just destroy robot bodies or does it destroy programs because the geth and even EDI are just programs. If it does destroy programs, does it destroy internet explorer or photoshop or whatever in the process?

Well apparently the blast destroyed the Normandy, so theoretically it fries the life-support. engines, gravity and all that other poo poo from every ship in the galaxy. I'd assume this would go for all land-based vehicles/technology as well.

Also how is it that the Normandy and/or the majority of allied ships somehow manages to get away from the technology destroying blast but none of the reaper ships tried running away from the giant explosion?

Hack writers that's how

SgtSteel91
Oct 21, 2010

theCalamity posted:

Does the Destroy ending just destroy robot bodies or does it destroy programs because the geth and even EDI are just programs. If it does destroy programs, does it destroy internet explorer or photoshop or whatever in the process?

In the hight EMS ending, the Reapers are covered in red static and then shut down and drop on the ground, apparently the husks are vaporized, and the Normandy looks no different than when it crashed on the Collector Base in ME2. So :speculation:

Crappy Jack
Nov 21, 2005

We got some serious shit to discuss.

Burning Mustache posted:

Holy poo poo

Close thread, etc.

Well, crap. Apparently I missed my calling as a Bioware one-liner writer when I pulled out "You fuckers messed with the Wong planet" during the Twitter Wars of 2012.

Waltzing Along
Jun 14, 2008

There's only one
Human race
Many faces
Everybody belongs here
Why did they bring the Citadel to earth? How does that even work? Isn't it bigger than a mass relay?
So, Palaven is getting wiped out but you can spare ships to come spare earth because?
And those are just big points.
I don't think there is a single thing about the writing in the third game that indicates any critical thinking was used.

Burning Mustache
Sep 4, 2006

Zaeed got stories.
Kasumi got loot.
All I got was a hole in my suit.

Crappy Jack posted:

Well, crap. Apparently I missed my calling as a Bioware one-liner writer when I pulled out "You fuckers messed with the Wong planet" during the Twitter Wars of 2012.

You're a good poster, man.

A good poster.

Zoran
Aug 19, 2008

I lost to you once, monster. I shall not lose again! Die now, that our future can live!

Crappy Jack posted:

Well, crap. Apparently I missed my calling as a Bioware one-liner writer when I pulled out "You fuckers messed with the Wong planet" during the Twitter Wars of 2012.

I was pulling for this to be the thread title.

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

Unite: MASH!!
~They've got the bad guys on the run!~

Waltzing Along posted:

Why did they bring the Citadel to earth? How does that even work? Isn't it bigger than a mass relay?
So, Palaven is getting wiped out but you can spare ships to come spare earth because?
And those are just big points.
I don't think there is a single thing about the writing in the third game that indicates any critical thinking was used.

We can (and have) gone on and on about this kind of thing, but I feel like the last sentence of this post is as close to the truth as we're gonna get.

They were not at all ready to end the series, but kept going on with the trilogy decision for some unfathomable reason.

Lloyd Boner
Oct 11, 2009

Yes officer, my name is Victoria Sonnen...berg

theCalamity posted:

Does the Destroy ending just destroy robot bodies or does it destroy programs because the geth and even EDI are just programs. If it does destroy programs, does it destroy internet explorer or photoshop or whatever in the process?

I thought it destroyed Reaper tech which is the only reason why it killed EDI and the geth because EDI was based off reaper tech and the geth adapted reaper tech. Also the mass relays

Rick_Hunter
Jan 5, 2004

My guys are still fighting the hard fight!
(weapons, shields and drones are still online!)

theCalamity posted:

Does the Destroy ending just destroy robot bodies or does it destroy programs because the geth and even EDI are just programs. If it does destroy programs, does it destroy internet explorer or photoshop or whatever in the process?

Simply put it destroyed synthetic life. If you were an AI or hybrid, you were destroyed. All it means is that 'Whew, organics survived!' only for them to create synthetics again and cause the cycle to continue of lovely writers writing about space phlebotinum.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

PootieTang posted:

Also how is it that the Normandy and/or the majority of allied ships somehow manages to get away from the technology destroying blast but none of the reaper ships tried running away from the giant explosion?

Because the Reapers were all centrally controlled by a command unit. You know, just like they were specifically stated not to be in Mass Effect 1.

Zulily Zoetrope
Jun 1, 2011

Muldoon

Waltzing Along posted:

Why did they bring the Citadel to earth?

This is explained in-game; TIM told them it was the catalyst, and Earth was apparently the safest place to keep it in the entire universe because there were a lot of reapers there. Logically, they would also open a tractor beam that lets human-sized beings enter the citadel from the planet, and then deploy a single reaper to guard it, because

Waltzing Along posted:

How does that even work? Isn't it bigger than a mass relay?

To be fair, I don't think it's explicitly stated that that would make it impossible.

Waltzing Along
Jun 14, 2008

There's only one
Human race
Many faces
Everybody belongs here
I think it is more a case of writing backwards after the fact. Like, hey, we should have the finale be around earth but since we decided on that we need the citadel to be there. Or something. Ugh. How lovely.

Generic Octopus
Mar 27, 2010
Is there a reason the reapers started loving up homeworlds instead of bee-lining for the citadel? Like, it has control of the entire relay network, right? That's how they've been doing their reaper thing for eons? Why not, y'know, start there?

Crappy Jack
Nov 21, 2005

We got some serious shit to discuss.

Generic Octopus posted:

Is there a reason the reapers started loving up homeworlds instead of bee-lining for the citadel? Like, it has control of the entire relay network, right? That's how they've been doing their reaper thing for eons? Why not, y'know, start there?

Dramatic tension. They needed to open their game with a big Reaper invasion, but they couldn't have it happen at the Citadel because that's Game Over, but they also needed a big explodey opening.

PootieTang
Aug 2, 2011

by XyloJW

Crappy Jack posted:

Dramatic tension. They needed to open their game with a big Reaper invasion, but they couldn't have it happen at the Citadel because that's Game Over, but they also needed a big explodey opening.

It can basically be summed up with the phrase 'we want the Call of Duty audience'

Generic Octopus
Mar 27, 2010

Crappy Jack posted:

Dramatic tension. They needed to open their game with a big Reaper invasion, but they couldn't have it happen at the Citadel because that's Game Over, but they also needed a big explodey opening.
You could still rear end-pull something like "scientists managed to subvert the whatever-overide so the relays are still usable, but yeah citadel got hosed" and have the explodey open while making the reapers seem like they have an idea of what they're doing. And then you get to save Earth for the finale.

Fetucine
Oct 29, 2011

Kajeesus posted:

Logically, they would also open a tractor beam that lets human-sized beings enter the citadel from the planet, and then deploy a single reaper to guard it, because

It really just should have been Harbinger. He uses the 'direct control' thing to a far greater degree than any other Reaper, you can elaborate that into liking to get his hands dirty and excuse the lack of other guards. Bam you've got a semi-reasonable climactic showdown with a Reaper, and it's one people actually know and dislike.

That still wouldn't excuse that stupid loving magic elevator though.

Psion
Dec 13, 2002

eVeN I KnOw wHaT CoRnEr gAs iS
I just saw this guy's GTA V one over in the GTA thread but check out this guy's "alternative launch trailer"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX1fs0_Rbbk

hire this guy to do your trailers, hire Crappy Jack to write all interrupt one-liners, ME4 is GOTY.

SubponticatePoster
Aug 9, 2004

Every day takes figurin' out all over again how to fuckin' live.
Slippery Tilde

Kaizer88 posted:

I was born in London, you know.
Looks like you'll probably die there, too.

Burning Mustache
Sep 4, 2006

Zaeed got stories.
Kasumi got loot.
All I got was a hole in my suit.

Psion posted:

I just saw this guy's GTA V one over in the GTA thread but check out this guy's "alternative launch trailer"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX1fs0_Rbbk

hire this guy to do your trailers, hire Crappy Jack to write all interrupt one-liners, ME4 is GOTY.

That owns

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

Unite: MASH!!
~They've got the bad guys on the run!~

Psion posted:

I just saw this guy's GTA V one over in the GTA thread but check out this guy's "alternative launch trailer"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX1fs0_Rbbk

hire this guy to do your trailers, hire Crappy Jack to write all interrupt one-liners, ME4 is GOTY.

I've seen this before and loved it then. Too bad this guy is better than Bioware's current marketing department. Seriously, what were they thinking with those weird "little girl in a field" commercials? They were so generic that they barely said anything about the game or series beyond the generic "Earth gets invaded" plot. It kind of foreshadowed some of the game's myopic focus on contrived child scenes.

Geostomp fucked around with this message at 14:48 on Apr 8, 2014

SubponticatePoster
Aug 9, 2004

Every day takes figurin' out all over again how to fuckin' live.
Slippery Tilde

Geostomp posted:

I've seen this before and loved it then. Too bad this guy is better than Bioware's current marketing department. Seriously, what were they thinking with those weird "little girl in a field" commercials? They were so generic that they barely said anything about the game or series beyond the generic "Earth gets invaded" plot. It kind of foreshadowed some of the game's myopic focus on contrived child scenes.
I didn't mind that particular trailer, but I think it was meant for people who weren't into the series already. I was at a friend's house when that came on TV and she said "holy poo poo!" Most of the time invading aliens are little green guys, not gigantic fuckoff crawdads.

Kibayasu
Mar 28, 2010

SubponticatePoster posted:

I didn't mind that particular trailer, but I think it was meant for people who weren't into the series already. I was at a friend's house when that came on TV and she said "holy poo poo!" Most of the time invading aliens are little green guys, not gigantic fuckoff crawdads.

I'm not the biggest indulger of alien invasion media but when I try to recall alien movies it always seems the aliens are either massively overpowering the humans with technology (Independence Day, War of the Worlds, Day the Earth Stood Still) or are unassuming things that are generally doing some kind of body horror. Mass Effect 3 kind of does both of course.

In fact the only alien invasion movie I can think of where the aliens are really just soldiers from space is Battle: Los Angelas. They get the surprise attack in that movie but otherwise they don't just shrug off getting hit by a bullet or missile or something.

My Q-Face
Jul 8, 2002

A dumb racist who need to kill themselves

Fetucine posted:

Holy poo poo that ending was so bad.

The loving glowing kid was stupid and all the options were some shade of repugnant. Destroy is literal genocide, Control is virtual genocide in destroying/overriding the Reaper's minds, Synthesis is the least bad but still a massive change Shepard has no right to make. At least that's what I gather from the conversation.

Shooting the kid and getting an ending that amounted to "gently caress you too" was pretty :allears: though

I didn't have a back-up save at any point during the last mission, so I'm just going to imagine all the poo poo with the kid was Shepard's final hallucination as she died beside Anderson. I can live with that as an ending.


This was what I did. The star kid pissed me off, it was like that "ignore me" episode of Venture brothers where the alien shows up looking like Jonas Venture, then doesn't actually have any closure for Rusty, he just chose a face Rusty would connect with.

Play with my emotions and put me into a situation where I have to look at a child I watched one of your creations literally cut in half? Stand there using his face and voice and tell me -after I've turned both EDI and the CylonsGeth to my side and convinced the Whole Galaxy to put aside their old hatreds, to help each other in spite of their shared histories - that synthetics and organics will never coexist?!

I've got Synthetics and Organics fighting side by side to kick your smug alien asses, I single handedly saved and united the galaxy before I set foot on your ship, and you're going to tell me now that I have only three options because your civilization hosed it up eons ago?


gently caress you, Star Kid!

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

SubponticatePoster posted:

I didn't mind that particular trailer, but I think it was meant for people who weren't into the series already. I was at a friend's house when that came on TV and she said "holy poo poo!" Most of the time invading aliens are little green guys, not gigantic fuckoff crawdads.

Mass Effect 2's launch trailer was the best. I work in sports, and it straight-up silenced a war room ful of ex-jocks when it came on during the playoffs back in 2010.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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CPFortest posted:

It should've taken place in the Middle East.

Cradle of Civilization baby.

One of the things I like about Halo is that all the relevant stuff that happens on Earth happens in East Africa instead of the usual New York-London-Tokyo triumvirate.

Also because it's the cradle of humanity.

Torrannor
Apr 27, 2013

---FAGNER---
TEAM-MATE
If East Africa is the cradle of humanity, and the Middle East the cradle of civilization, then we can agree that Greece is the cradle of democracy, right?

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Torrannor posted:

If East Africa is the cradle of humanity, and the Middle East the cradle of civilization, then we can agree that Greece is the cradle of democracy, right?

It'd be the first target for an invasion by space communists.

Milkfred E. Moore
Aug 27, 2006

'It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.'

Pattonesque posted:

Mass Effect 2's launch trailer was the best. I work in sports, and it straight-up silenced a war room ful of ex-jocks when it came on during the playoffs back in 2010.

Mass Effect 2's launch trailer is still one of the best trailers for anything created. It's ludicrously good.

Kibayasu
Mar 28, 2010

Not to discount the editing or the animators etc of the cutscenes they use in that trailer (and at least its the actual game engine) but I always felt it was the music that gave the ME2 trailer the final push to that room-silenting level. And I know the song was crafted specifically for trailers of all kinds but its still a pretty good piece of music.

Milkfred E. Moore
Aug 27, 2006

'It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.'

Kibayasu posted:

Not to discount the editing or the animators etc of the cutscenes they use in that trailer (and at least its the actual game engine) but I always felt it was the music that gave the ME2 trailer the final push to that room-silenting level. And I know the song was crafted specifically for trailers of all kinds but its still a pretty good piece of music.

Heart of Courage is one of Two Steps from Hell's better pieces and it worked really well with how the trailer was put together.

SubponticatePoster
Aug 9, 2004

Every day takes figurin' out all over again how to fuckin' live.
Slippery Tilde
I don't remember ME2 launch trailer, I'll have to look it up.

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

SubponticatePoster posted:

I don't remember ME2 launch trailer, I'll have to look it up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjOEmHEd2XM

It's perfect.

Burning Mustache
Sep 4, 2006

Zaeed got stories.
Kasumi got loot.
All I got was a hole in my suit.

Pattonesque posted:

Mass Effect 2's launch trailer was the best. I work in sports, and it straight-up silenced a war room ful of ex-jocks when it came on during the playoffs back in 2010.

The ME2 launch trailer might very well be the best thing to ever come out of the ME universe, period.

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Sky Shadowing
Feb 13, 2012

At least we're not the Thalmor (yet)
I quite enjoy the ME3 launch trailer myself, it's also very good.

As well as the trilogy full release launch trailer.

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