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Ugly In The Morning posted:I thought he was a full Mistborn, since he was sick for 16 days instead of one. I don't remember it very well, but I thought they tested the people who were 'broken' by the mists for misting powers, and the ones that they found didn't have any turned out to be atium mistings.
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Lobsterpillar posted:I don't remember it very well, but I thought they tested the people who were 'broken' by the mists for misting powers, and the ones that they found didn't have any turned out to be atium mistings. Yeah, pretty much. Demoux can't die, though. Dude has meta-level immortality: Brandon promised the real life guy Demoux is a reference to that he wouldn't kill him off
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# ? Apr 15, 2014 00:17 |
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Tunicate posted:Yeah, pretty much. Until the real life guy dies, at least. Then, book funeral.
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# ? Apr 15, 2014 01:01 |
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Fair to Midland posted:All random quotes: Firstly this quote isn't a joke, it's not meant to be funny in even the least degree, it's holy poo poo because It's a semi-retarded sentient sword who likes to kill bad guys and is a total name drop from another book. (though apparently Nightblood is smarter than we've been lead to believe Secondly I gotta ask how Shallan, Adolin, Kaladin, or Dalinar are any worse than Tyrion, Cersei, Eddard, Rand, Perrin, Egwene, Taran, Elonwy, Ged, or any other fantasy name out there to *such* an extent that it actually damages the story. treeboy fucked around with this message at 19:06 on Apr 15, 2014 |
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treeboy posted:Secondly I gotta ask how Shallan, Adolin, Kaladin, or Dalinar are any worse than Tyrion, Cersei, Eddard, Rand, Perrin, Egwene, Taran, Elonwy, Ged, or any other fantasy name out there to *such* an extent that it actually damages the story. Apparently because Brandon Sanderson is an anime.
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treeboy posted:Firstly this quote isn't a joke, it's not meant to be funny in even the least degree, it's holy poo poo because It's a semi-retarded sentient sword who likes to kill bad guys and is a total name drop from another book. (though apparently Nightblood is smarter than we've been lead to believe And not only that, WB:but it's an insanely powerful sword even compared to shardblades in its own universe, and is now practically bathing in its previously-scarce food. Also it might just be my favorite Sanderson character. As for the nitpicking, look at every sci-fi/fantasy thread dude. We're all a bunch of nerds trying to pretend we're not that nerd. These arguments are the result of conflicting defense mechanisms. It's static. Getting involved is...
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# ? Apr 15, 2014 21:44 |
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My favorite interaction from that particular spoiler from Warbreaker (paraphrasing): Nightblood: "You see those guys over there? They look evil. We should kill them. Let's go kill them!" (Vasher tosses the sword at them instead) NB's receding voice: "Okay well I guess this works too!"
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# ? Apr 15, 2014 23:35 |
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I've never had a problem with Sanderson's names, other than NewCago. Coming up with fantasy names is not easy unless you're a Tolkien level sperglord with writing back history and figuring out how names would be constructed in that world. Robert Jordan had so many names that, between books, I forgot who was who, and got 3 characters who were all women channelers confused and had no idea what was going on between chapters. Consider these 4 women from the Wheel of Time: Shana, Shanal, Shanan, Shanelle. It is very difficult to keep those straight, especially over 14 books and 20 years. Sanderson at least keeps his names internally consistent. Nothing weird like the Sword of Truth having a character named Zeddicus Zu'l Zorander hanging out with a guy named Richard, fighting a guy named Darken.
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# ? Apr 16, 2014 05:53 |
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Here's a link to chapters 1-3 of Dragonsteel, as well as some of Brandon's other unpublished stuff: http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/691-verified-locations-for-unreleased-bookschapters-and-sample-chapters-of-published-books/
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Kruller posted:I've never had a problem with Sanderson's names, other than NewCago. Coming up with fantasy names is not easy unless you're a Tolkien level sperglord with writing back history and figuring out how names would be constructed in that world. Robert Jordan had so many names that, between books, I forgot who was who, and got 3 characters who were all women channelers confused This is understandable simply on the basis of most of his female characters being the same intolerable person.
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# ? Apr 16, 2014 08:05 |
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Honestly, if you can't enjoy the beauty of "Newcago" I'm not sure why you're reading genre fiction. Every instance put a smile on my face. (Which was nice, because the book was otherwise rather dull)
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# ? Apr 16, 2014 11:27 |
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Am I the only one that was not at all surprised Jasnah lived? I doubted it during chapter 7 and I doubted it even more when some of the questions Nanavi put to Shallan implied she had faked her death before. I was completely unsurprised when she was alive in the epilogue. I was surprised when Szeth was resurrected, though it didn't bother me very much since it seemed like it was done so Szeth could suffer a clean break from his past.
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TOOT BOOT posted:Am I the only one that was not at all surprised Jasnah lived? I doubted it during chapter 7 and I doubted it even more when some of the questions Nanavi put to Shallan implied she had faked her death before. I was completely unsurprised when she was alive in the epilogue. I was surprised when Szeth was resurrected, though it didn't bother me very much since it seemed like it was done so Szeth could suffer a clean break from his past. You were not. Sanderson really went out of his way to drop hints in the chapter where she "dies," like repeatedly pointing out that her body was missing. Also, from a storytelling standpoint, Jasnah was the wise old man archetype (Merlin/Gandalf/Moiraine/Obi-wan/etc), who very often die and return.
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# ? Apr 17, 2014 02:20 |
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She apparently just stuck around the whole time in the first draft of WoR, but that left Shallan with very little to do in her own book.
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# ? Apr 17, 2014 06:14 |
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Was reading about some stuff he's said at signings and apparently he regrets killing Szeth instead of just having Kaladin take his honorblade
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# ? Apr 17, 2014 06:19 |
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Of course he does, it was really stupid.
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# ? Apr 17, 2014 06:23 |
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It does kind of set the wrong tone for the rest of the books. One thing that many people love about GRRM's books is the feeling that any character can potentially die. It gives a sense of excitement to the narrative knowing that the characters can be taken away from us. Szeth being blatantly killed and then brought back does the exact opposite, it eliminates all fear I have of important characters dying. In the future books when I read someone "dying" I'll always be thinking "they'll be fine, the author can just bring them back". Even the illusion of these characters being at risk of an unexpected death is gone.
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# ? Apr 17, 2014 13:22 |
It doesn't help that there is a lot of death fake outs in this books. In addition to the two that have been discussed heavily, it's also pretty clear that the Listener shardbearer whose name escapes me is not actually dead. Which means of the deaths of named characters in the book, there is a chance that approximately twenty five percent will stick, which is a low number.
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Meinberg posted:It doesn't help that there is a lot of death fake outs in this books. In addition to the two that have been discussed heavily, it's also pretty clear that the Listener shardbearer whose name escapes me is not actually dead. Which means of the deaths of named characters in the book, there is a chance that approximately twenty five percent will stick, which is a low number. Wait what? What's the evidence for Ym living?
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api call girl posted:Wait what? What's the evidence for Ym living? I think he meant Eshonai
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# ? Apr 17, 2014 15:19 |
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Oh come on they just got taken out of the fight, they were in both stormform and working shardplate there's no way they were dead.
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# ? Apr 17, 2014 16:42 |
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I've only just finished both Stormlight books (stayed up all last night to listen to the last 6 hours of WoR) so I'll hold off specific questions till I read the thread but I want to note that the Cosmere's villains should notice that putting the heroes in imminent mortal peril makes magical things happen. Like Kelsier snapping. Or Kaladin leveling up twice. Or Adolin stabbing Sadeas in the loving eye. You know, magical things.
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# ? Apr 17, 2014 17:03 |
Plus she's going to be the main POV character in book 4.
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# ? Apr 17, 2014 17:03 |
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All of the people getting pissy about obvious resurrections are going to get so pissed off when Sadeas comes back in book 5 or something.
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# ? Apr 17, 2014 17:12 |
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Oh one thing, Hoid is an established Cosmere character? Because everywhere I read it seems that everyone knows him already, but I didn't notice him in Mistborn.
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# ? Apr 17, 2014 17:13 |
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Kraps posted:Or Adolin stabbing Sadeas in the loving eye. Truly magical. Anyway, as for GRRM i don't think all of us think any characters can die at any time (I am pretty drat sure quite a lot are completely safe, and those who dies are usually not his obvious favorites), while with Sanderson he does tend to kill off his favories.
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Kraps posted:Oh one thing, Hoid is an established Cosmere character? Because everywhere I read it seems that everyone knows him already, but I didn't notice him in Mistborn. In the first book, he's the old informant Kelsier speaks to (don't remember if he was in the later books, just happened to have just reread Final Empire). Generally, he's mostly had minor cameo appearances prior to Stormlight Archive.
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Rumda posted:I think he meant Eshonai I had a brainfart and thought Listener was an Order and of course a bonded spren was a shard(blade) etc. That'll teach me to post right after a meeting.
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# ? Apr 17, 2014 17:26 |
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Kraps posted:Oh one thing, Hoid is an established Cosmere character? Because everywhere I read it seems that everyone knows him already, but I didn't notice him in Mistborn. Yeah, he's the guy that cameos in every novel. In Well of Ascension, he's unnamed. He leads the group of terris refugees that meet with Elend, overhears their conversation about the Well of Ascension, then sneaks in to grab some lerasium before poo poo gets real. In Hero of Ages Vin considers meeting with him, then realizes that Hoid is a very weird guy, and decides that if your meeting with an informant looks weird, best not to meet.
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keiran_helcyan posted:It does kind of set the wrong tone for the rest of the books. One thing that many people love about GRRM's books is the feeling that any character can potentially die. It gives a sense of excitement to the narrative knowing that the characters can be taken away from us. Szeth being blatantly killed and then brought back does the exact opposite, it eliminates all fear I have of important characters dying. In the future books when I read someone "dying" I'll always be thinking "they'll be fine, the author can just bring them back". Even the illusion of these characters being at risk of an unexpected death is gone. Actually GRRM brings back dead characters too like frankenstein Clegane or Catelyn Stark. A few characters also obviously have plot armour, the plot won't really go anywhere if characters like Tyrion and Daenerys bite the dust. Arya Stark has the fabled my-wife-will-divorce-me-if-I-hurt-her armour. GRRM just set a good precedent with Ned Stark and reinforced it with the Red Wedding. He kinda cheapened the latter though by bringing back Catelyn from the dead.
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# ? Apr 17, 2014 17:43 |
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Late in WoR there's the implication that the expedition meets and wipes out the parshendi refugees, right?
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Xachariah posted:Actually GRRM brings back dead characters too like frankenstein Clegane or Catelyn Stark. A few characters also obviously have plot armour, the plot won't really go anywhere if characters like Tyrion and Daenerys bite the dust. Arya Stark has the fabled my-wife-will-divorce-me-if-I-hurt-her armour. In addition, there are tons of fake deaths as well (which I have no problem with whatsoever, but it can be pointed out) like Bran/Rickon, Davos, Aegon (???), Arya's eyesight, probably Jon (??) and probably Loras. That said, I thought there should have been much more time between the revelations that these characters survived. If the chapters hadn't been right after each I think it would have been fine.
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# ? Apr 17, 2014 18:41 |
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Xachariah posted:Actually GRRM brings back dead characters too like frankenstein Clegane or Catelyn Stark. A few characters also obviously have plot armour, the plot won't really go anywhere if characters like Tyrion and Daenerys bite the dust. Arya Stark has the fabled my-wife-will-divorce-me-if-I-hurt-her armour. I think everyone that claims GRRM kills off all his main characters and the like just got confused because it took the series a long time to make clear exactly who the protagonists were. Now that we pretty much know the main characters, it's pretty obvious who has plot armor, as you point out here.
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# ? Apr 17, 2014 18:45 |
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Guys, Sanderson thread. Let's not discuss spoilers for other books.
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# ? Apr 17, 2014 19:39 |
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You've heard the idea for the Sanderson Collab book, right? He and Pat Rothfuss take turns writing different sets of protagonists in opposition to each other. Once they get 90% of the way through the book, they then hand it over to GRRM, who will tell them how it ends and who survives.
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# ? Apr 17, 2014 21:28 |
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Dunno about you guys but Wit is awesome. It's his job to mock people and it doesn't have to be "comic" because most of the time it's the truth. Who gives a drat if he basically calls Sadeas a poopyhead, nobody cares because he is. lmao that you think Sanderson is auditioning for standup, wow. Wonder how a Mistborn movie would work, it would probably need some kind of UI to show what metals are being burned. also http://ladyknightradiant.tumblr.com/post/80402078389/here-it-is-the-finished-product-all-printed
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# ? Apr 17, 2014 21:31 |
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Kraps posted:also http://ladyknightradiant.tumblr.com/post/80402078389/here-it-is-the-finished-product-all-printed
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Kraps posted:also http://ladyknightradiant.tumblr.com/post/80402078389/here-it-is-the-finished-product-all-printed http://ladyknightradiant.tumblr.com/tagged/WMC-final/chrono Here's a link to the readable pages.
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# ? Apr 17, 2014 22:07 |
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I want to start the Cosmere books from the first one now but I'm also looking for future release dates or something like that, anyone have a link? Also, Steelheart and The Rithmatist aren't part of it?
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Kraps posted:I want to start the Cosmere books from the first one now but I'm also looking for future release dates or something like that, anyone have a link? Also, Steelheart and The Rithmatist aren't part of it? Future release dates are a bit in flux - Brandonsanderson.com has little thermometer bars detailing his progress on various books. Steelheart and Rithmatist are non-cosmere (though he briefly toyed with it for Rithamatist). Neither is legion - general rule is that if it has any version of Earth in it, it's non-cosmere.
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