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I wouldn't say I'm down on him. He's great at what he does, and for his age, that's really impressive. I just think Foles and Luck are more likely to turn into those can't miss Rodgers/Brees/Manning types as they get older. Wilson runs more of an Alex Smith style offense, minus the whole 8 year learning curve thing. But that's sort of how Tom Brady played in his first couple years (minus the opening plays with his legs part), so there's really no capping his ceiling due to the scheme he fits. He's got room to grow into the kind of guy who can funsling it and rack some points up on his own without leaning so heavily on field position and his defense, but he's still got to do it. Really impressive how he just stepped in and had the decision making ability of a long time veteran though. He'd already be a huge upgrade for a lot of teams.
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John Brown posted:Why are you guys so down on Wilson? If he had a slightly better oline and someone to throw to he's be putting up +30TDs. I don't see that at all. He's a good scrambler, he can keep plays alive, but Russell Wilson gets an awful lot of credit for being the QB of an extremely successful, run-first offense. He's not Drew Brees. I'm not saying he won't become Drew Brees-lite, but as of right now, his SB ring is a Dilfer. I agree with this for the most part. Wilson, currently, is more of a "steady", "reliable", "consistent", "field general". But a super-accurate pocket passer who will "tear is up" once he's got a good o-line/WR's he is not. Chilichimp fucked around with this message at 14:01 on Apr 17, 2014 |
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He's got a beautiful deep ball and he scrambles a lot. He's definitely not a 30 TD kinda guy
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The Dilfer comparison is laughable, I think Alex Smith is a unfair too but closer to the truth. Isn't Wilson's deep ball supposed to be one of the better parts of his game? Wilson isn't often asked to do a lot but he's (generally) been pretty ok to downright good at what they ask him to do, which is fine and I'm sure I'd love him if I were a Seattle fan. I think a lot of people remember some of his more awful games and think that's what he usually looks like when it's more the other way around.
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Grittybeard posted:The Dilfer comparison is laughable, I think Alex Smith is a unfair too but closer to the truth. Isn't Wilson's deep ball supposed to be one of the better parts of his game? I wouldn't compare him to Alex Smith. He's got the physical tools to be much better. He's just running an offense that relies on the kinds of traits that Alex Smith possesses. He does have a pretty deep ball, but he also struggles to move the ball at all fairly often, and then Lynch and the defense have to kind of step in to play field position with back and forth punts while the Seahawks inch closer to the red zone. That's not a huge deal because he's great at not turning it over, and he's still developing. I think it's more an issue where Luck is an unbelievable talent and he's so good at everything, and Foles just had the best season for a QB under 25 in history probably, and he didn't even play 16 games. It's hard for anyone to compete with that, even guys who seem poised to be long term top 10 qb's.
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Volkerball posted:I wouldn't compare him to Alex Smith. He's got the physical tools to be much better. He's just running an offense that relies on the kinds of traits that Alex Smith possesses. He does have a pretty deep ball, but he also struggles to move the ball at all fairly often, and then Lynch and the defense have to kind of step in to play field position with back and forth punts while the Seahawks inch closer to the red zone. That's not a huge deal because he's great at not turning it over, and he's still developing. I think it's more an issue where Luck is an unbelievable talent and he's so good at everything, and Foles just had the best season for a QB under 25 in history probably, and he didn't even play 16 games. It's hard for anyone to compete with that, even guys who seem poised to be long term top 10 qb's. Russel Wilson relies on his mobility and he spooks pretty easily. He still disappears for gameslong stretches and has a ton of statlines like 12/16. He's pretty good and doesn't screw up often so I'd be happy with that and a Superbowl for sure, it's just that there aren't many QB's in the NFL who couldn't have easily ridden to the Lombardi on the backs of that defense and Marshawn Lynch. I think he's going to really develop this year if they address the O line and if Percy Harvin mercifully stays healthy.
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Grittybeard posted:The Dilfer comparison is laughable, I think Alex Smith is a unfair too but closer to the truth. Isn't Wilson's deep ball supposed to be one of the better parts of his game? I'm not comparing his physical traits, game, upside or talent to Dilfer; just that his path to a Lombardi was similar.
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AAA DOLFAN posted:He's got a beautiful deep ball and he scrambles a lot. He's definitely not a 30 TD kinda guy He's thrown 26 in back-to-back seasons with a pretty inconsistent receiver rotation and ranking in the 30s for team pass attempts. It's hardly a stretch to think of him of putting up 30 TDs in the air alone (since he did score 30 total TDs in 2012). I still don't wouldn't take him over RGIII, though, especially on the basis is on Wilson having a ring.
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We've cracked the code. Overthrowing your receivers on deep routes means you're unlikely to get intercepted.
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I might argue that Baltimore won their first in spite of Dilfer where I don't think you can say Wilson was actively hurting them. But really attaching Dilfer's name to a quarterback seems like an insult, I'd call Wilson's ring more of an...I don't know, Phil Simms. Or maybe Brad Johnson.
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I give more credit to the Seahawk receivers more than most it appears. Who knows. Wilson is good though. I'd take him first outta that division without hesitation
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Atticus Finch posted:According to the Baltimore Sun, there are 6 teams (openly) showing interest in Michael Sam: Baltimore Ravens, Atlanta Falcons, New England Patriots, New York Jets, Cleveland Browns and Indianapolis Colts. Well at least they're in the open about it.
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AAA DOLFAN posted:I give more credit to the Seahawk receivers more than most it appears. Who knows. Kaepenick had no one to throw to all year besides Boldin and he did alright. I'd probably take him over Wilson.
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Doltos posted:Well at least they're in the open about it. The Falcons need a versatile player, who can play DE and LB, that can plug up the holes.
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Gumbel2Gumbel posted:Kaepenick had no one to throw to all year besides Boldin and he did alright. I'd probably take him over Wilson. And Vernon Davis... who is amazing and completely underutilized in that offense. Boldin has defined himself as a crafty, boxing WR who can fight for possessions and get you solid yardage. Saying something like... "he had no one to throw to but Boldin" is like saying he needed to gut a fish, but all he had was a Katana... sure it's not the tool you'd want to use, but it will get the job done, man.
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Gumbel2Gumbel posted:Kaepenick had no one to throw to all year besides Boldin and he did alright. I'd probably take him over Wilson. He did really good at times, but when he sucked, goddamn. He was worse this year at his worst than last season. I don't know that I can think of many other QB's who were such a coin toss at getting a 100 QB rating or sub 50.
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Volkerball posted:He did really good at times, but when he sucked, goddamn. He was worse this year at his worst than last season. I don't know that I can think of many other QB's who were such a coin toss at getting a 100 QB rating or sub 50. 
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everyone loves Rex. I was gonna say McNabb in 2007. 60.7, 74.5, 158.3, 61.0, 85.2, 91.1, 103.1, 64.0, 138.5, 0.4, 93.6, 78.1, 119.1, 94.1
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Volkerball posted:He did really good at times, but when he sucked, goddamn. He was worse this year at his worst than last season. I don't know that I can think of many other QB's who were such a coin toss at getting a 100 QB rating or sub 50. 
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Chilichimp posted:We've cracked the code. Overthrowing your receivers on deep routes means you're unlikely to get intercepted. This is called "The Matt Stafford stratagem ™©".
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Chilichimp posted:And Vernon Davis... who is amazing and completely underutilized in that offense. Boldin has defined himself as a crafty, boxing WR who can fight for possessions and get you solid yardage. Vernon Davis was mildly concussed all year and Kaep did alright for starting with half a year's experience. Some 9ers poster here did a really detailed effort post about how badly designed their passing game was so I'm more inclined to give him a pass for this year
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Kiper's 4.0 2 round draft. http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/mock/?season=2014&source=mel-kiper-mock-draft&version=4 quote:Round 1
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Tell me more about how the Falcons are drafting a guy with character issues. 
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Kiper is a smart man and the draft will happen EXACTLY like he says. Clowney + Bridgewater!
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Ozu posted:Kiper's 4.0 2 round draft. please let the browns draft manziel
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Ozu posted:Kiper's 4.0 2 round draft. 10/10 would draft again
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It's unsure at this point because there's mixed feelings about his pro day and his potential. I think pundits are slowly starting to realize (read: actually look at tape) that Bridgewater isn't a 'black' QB and are slotting him all over the place because his arm wasn't super impressive. Obviously I don't know what NFL front offices are thinking but I'd still go with Teddy over any QB in the draft and pick him in the top 5. Teddy displays superb field awareness, an amazing ability to shift inside the pocket that isn't really common in soon to be rookies, great touch, a good to great arm, and was asked to do a lot of pre-snap reads at Louisville. His balls are a little wobbly on intermediate throws but that can be fixed. Also if one more person slots Ebron to us I'm going to complain about it more on an internet message board.
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Ozu posted:Kiper's 4.0 2 round draft. That would be kind of a nightmare first round scenario for the Lions, although they'd be getting the best name in the draft.
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Ozu posted:Kiper's 4.0 2 round draft. If Atlanta goes Lewan with the 6th pick, I'm going to murder someone and it may be myself. This is pretty much the worst case scenario for Atlanta, and would hope they would try to trade back.
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Yes we are drafting a linebacker in the first when we should cut wheeler and move dion Jordan to olb and Misi to inside
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Ozu posted:Kiper's 4.0 2 round draft.
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Ozu posted:Kiper's 4.0 2 round draft. Ok I don't have a problem with OT Martin in the 1st though it's not my first choice (Free was actually decent last season!), but then reaching on S Bucannon in the 2nd and not addressing the DL at all in the first two rounds? gently caress that noise
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Wait I used logic and forethought when considering Miamis pick poo poo I don't know my team at all. They'll pick Lee
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Kiper definitely nailed the Browns' three biggest needs and if Watkins is off the board at #4 there's a very good chance he got the order correct in which the Browns would address them. Not sure about the specific players though
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JFF falls to #23, we trade Chase Daniel for a gift card to Denny's and draft our WR2 in the third.
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No Butt Stuff posted:JFF falls to #23, we trade Chase Daniel for a gift card to Denny's and draft our WR2 in the third. Do Not trade Chase Daniel
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