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sassassin posted:'It was in the book' is a terrible justification for something to be in a movie. Why focus on the beloved Englishman's tale of the book when there's Tauriel the elf in a love triangle whose parents were killed by orcs and she was raised by the dad of Legolas and fights beside him and can cure poison
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Toady posted:Why focus on the beloved Englishman's tale of the book when there's Tauriel the elf in a love triangle whose parents were killed by orcs and she was raised by the dad of Legolas and fights beside him and can cure the hottest dwarf from poison
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Apr 17, 2014 06:58
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The Hobbit: There and Back Again may become The Hobbit: Into the Fire? hmmm
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Apr 17, 2014 12:23
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Yuck.
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Apr 17, 2014 16:29
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I doubt it.
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Apr 17, 2014 17:00
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I honestly don't really care at this point. It's not like the trilogy has some kind of perfect track record going that I'm on tenterhooks to make sure they don't screw up.
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Apr 17, 2014 18:36
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It's all part of the bloat; they've decided to pad/stretch things for even more movies. Part 3 will be Into The Fire, part 4 will be After The Fire (resurrecting the Falco cover "Der Kommissar" for the soundtrack), Part 5 will be The Battle of Five Armies, and Part 6 will be There And Back Again. The idea is that by the end of the last installment, Martin Freeman (and all of us) will then be as old as Ian Holm to better segue into LOTR.
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Sir Nose posted:It's all part of the bloat; they've decided to pad/stretch things for even more movies. Part 3 will be Into The Fire, part 4 will be After The Fire (resurrecting the Falco cover "Der Kommissar" for the soundtrack), Part 5 will be The Battle of Five Armies, and Part 6 will be There And Back Again. The idea is that by the end of the last installment, Martin Freeman (and all of us) will then be as old as Ian Holm to better segue into LOTR. Part 6: There Part 7: Back Again
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Apr 18, 2014 18:26
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This video might have been good for a giggle if it wasn't for the fact that every single one of these points was brought up at some point in this thread. But I still find it funny. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03LhYBNLXWo
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eeeuuugh, I only watched this a couple of weeks ago and although I noticed that the max-CGI scenes were pretty terrible, rewatching them here they are just awful. Those scenes with Bolg or the Barrels look like cutscenes from a game. Something about the rendering and camera movements just isn't movie-like I guess  I think that really kind of represents what I thought about the movie. It was like a game; complete with boring exposition sequences, stung together between action sequences which were ticked off like a checklist, topped off with poor visuals. I thought the same about first movie; the scenes with Bilbo, his interactions with the ring, and bilbo's encounter with the "antagonist" (gollum/smaug) were pretty excellent. Everything else was just boring. Deeply disappointed. twoot fucked around with this message at 01:15 on Apr 19, 2014 |
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Apr 19, 2014 01:11
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"It always is" *sighs*"...loving prophecies man" 
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SatansBestBuddy posted:This video might have been good for a giggle if it wasn't for the fact that every single one of these points was brought up at some point in this thread. But I still find it funny. Nah because Cinema Sins is terrible, wanky, and pedantic. (I'd say that was a match made in heaven for CD but that would be mean.) Szmitten fucked around with this message at 12:39 on Apr 19, 2014 |
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Apr 19, 2014 12:33
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Szmitten posted:Nah because Cinema Sins is terrible, wanky, and pedantic. The guy from CinemaSins sounds like he should be wearing a fedora and posting on r/atheism at all times.
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SatansBestBuddy posted:This video might have been good for a giggle if it wasn't for the fact that every single one of these points was brought up at some point in this thread. But I still find it funny. God the CG Bolg looks loving awful. I know the original makeup tests for the practical effects version was a little over the top, but that's just... insipid. E: seriously, that vid makes me super-glad I didn't see it, and glad I didn't cave and pick up the DVD. thespaceinvader fucked around with this message at 22:42 on Apr 19, 2014 |
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I wonder what a single-movie Hobbit would look like. What chapters and characters would be cut? Purists would be pissed no matter what was left out, but the more I think about it, the more I come to the conclusion that this really should have been just one film. I hate to say it, but we probably don't need all 13 dwarves, Beorn, etc. Maybe just Thorin, Balin, Kili, Fili, and a couple others (and maybe make one or more of them female). As for chapters, it's easy to leave out Beorn, but apart from that, it gets trickier. I guess its a question of whether you want to have the Battle of Five Armies or not. If not, then gently caress it, have them go straight to Lake-town after the goblins, and have Smaug be the climax. Just spit-balling here. But whatever the case, I'd rather have an adaptation that works as a film and plays fast and loose with the material, than one that is slavishly devoted but sucks.
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It would have probably been fine as two. One would make it far too rushed.
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Blue Star posted:I wonder what a single-movie Hobbit would look like. What chapters and characters would be cut? Purists would be pissed no matter what was left out, but the more I think about it, the more I come to the conclusion that this really should have been just one film. I hate to say it, but we probably don't need all 13 dwarves, Beorn, etc. Maybe just Thorin, Balin, Kili, Fili, and a couple others (and maybe make one or more of them female). As for chapters, it's easy to leave out Beorn, but apart from that, it gets trickier. I guess its a question of whether you want to have the Battle of Five Armies or not. If not, then gently caress it, have them go straight to Lake-town after the goblins, and have Smaug be the climax. Just spit-balling here. But whatever the case, I'd rather have an adaptation that works as a film and plays fast and loose with the material, than one that is slavishly devoted but sucks. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077687/
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I prefer the very short film version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGF5ROpjRAU Kangra fucked around with this message at 01:53 on Apr 20, 2014 |
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Apr 20, 2014 01:50
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No no, Gene Deitch did the canonical rendition: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBnVL1Y2src
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Funnily enough that movie is 90 minutes long and still more true to the source material.
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Data Graham posted:No no, Gene Deitch did the canonical rendition: 
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Data Graham posted:No no, Gene Deitch did the canonical rendition: This is loving bizarre.
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Not only is covering it all in one movie entirely possible and practical, if I recall correctly the only major elements the Rankin and Bass adaptation leaves out are Beorn and some of the finer details re: the Arkenstone and the politics leading up to the Battle of Five Armies. edit: And it still has time for songs!
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Not only is covering it all in one movie entirely possible and practical, if I recall correctly the only major elements the Rankin and Bass adaptation leaves out are Beorn and some of the finer details re: the Arkenstone and the politics leading up to the Battle of Five Armies. That assumes the Rankin Bass adaptation is a good movie though.
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computer parts posted:That assumes the Rankin Bass adaptation is a good movie though. It's an awesome children's movie, so yes, it is both a good movie and a pitch-perfect adaptation of The Hobbit.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Not only is covering it all in one movie entirely possible and practical, if I recall correctly the only major elements the Rankin and Bass adaptation leaves out are Beorn and some of the finer details re: the Arkenstone and the politics leading up to the Battle of Five Armies. If I remember correctly the Battle of the 5 Armies gets about a minute of air time and then Bombur tells Bilbo who died before dying himself.
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:If I remember correctly the Battle of the 5 Armies gets about a minute of air time and then Bombur tells Bilbo who died before dying himself. Not seeing a problem here.
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:If I remember correctly the Battle of the 5 Armies gets about a minute of air time and then Bombur tells Bilbo who died before dying himself. That sounds awesome, actually. The large scale battles are the worst part of all of the LotR movies.
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Its a pretty loving rad kids movie, that's for sure.
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I'm still holding out hope that PJ has one last moment of clarity and blueballs everyone by staying true to the book's coverage of the Battle of Five Armies.
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:If I remember correctly the Battle of the 5 Armies gets about a minute of air time and then Bombur tells Bilbo who died before dying himself.
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mr. stefan posted:I'm still holding out hope that PJ has one last moment of clarity and blueballs everyone by staying true to the book's coverage of the Battle of Five Armies. "What's that? Two solid hours of green screen CGI battles on a 50 square foot studio stage? Okay!  "I'd honestly be surprised by anything less.
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*Legolas does triple backflip, lands on bomburs head, shoots orc*
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Eastbound Spider posted:*Legolas does triple backflip, lands on bomburs head, shoots orc, bombur farts* Fixed. You were missing a crucial element.
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Legolas surfs off of Smaugs neck with a majestic leap, landing into a Flintstones car and pedaling away Also bombur nails lots of orcs while rolling down stairs
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I like the Rankin-Bass adaptation. It manages to fit almost everything from the book and has good pacing. Has Peter Jackson ever mentioned it? That should've been his model for how to adapt The Hobbit into one film. It runs at 77 minutes long and, as someone already said, the only things it leaves out are Beorn and the Arkenstone subplot. Even if you stretch things out a bit, you can probably make a 2-hour movie. Remove half the dwarves and you'll also take care of the "too many drat dwarves, can't care about any of them" problem.
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I don't get the eagerness to remove some of the dwarves. They could still be there and like the movies you don't have to develop them anyway. Bilbo's house wouldn't be the same clusterfuck with five dwarves.
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Nor would the "arrive at someone's door one by one" running gag. ...Which they didn't really use in the movie, so never mind.
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Which reminded me how much they mucked up the whole Beorn thing.
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SatansBestBuddy posted:"What's that? Two solid hours of green screen CGI battles on a 50 square foot studio stage? Okay! Remember the flashback battle between the dwarves and orcs in AUJ? Remember when the dwarves charged the orcs? That was ENTIRELY CGI; it looked loving terrible. At least in LOTR they copy pasted real orcs actors/rohan horses, etc. from about 100 actors on the field to make it look like thousands. PJ is so lazy he can't even do that anymore.
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