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I'd pay upward of 100 dollars just for a bare bones Blu Ray edition of the OT that cleans up the image/sound and nothing else. Call it The Childhood Edition.
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I'd drop like $200 for an edition like the one I described, especially if it took the time to fix some of the other longstanding problems (lightsaber color correction, starship matte issues, etc).
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May 11, 2014 16:31
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I want a site with endless checkboxes where you can select what version of every scene you want then hit order and it spits out a DVD to your house with your selections.
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May 11, 2014 18:30
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Why would you want the pre-97 version? I'm curious because the only real difference I can think of might be in the title scroll for new hope.
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May 11, 2014 22:25
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Grendels Dad posted:So all I have to do now is invent a time machine and go back to when those DVD sets were still sold in stores. It could be done, I guess. Every time I pop into Best Buy they have some on the shelves and I'm no time traveler.
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May 11, 2014 23:00
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Xenomrph posted:I'd drop like $200 for an edition like the one I described, especially if it took the time to fix some of the other longstanding problems (lightsaber color correction, starship matte issues, etc). Its not because the lightsabers are miscolored, its the entire picture that has a hosed contrast level.
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May 12, 2014 00:34
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Wandle Cax posted:However if you are a grown adult who wants to watch the classic Star Wars series of films in the highest quality available and you can get past a few silly moments in the films you will happily buy the blu-ray set. Seriously you've had since 1997 to come to terms with the Jedi Rocks song. It's dumb but it doesn't ruin the movie. Jedi Rocks does not ruin the movie, you're right. But the "Nooooo" does. That was one of my favorite scenes, and now it's just silly. I'm kinda over the movies at this point, but Lucas' decision to do what he did really frustrates me as a fan of film. It just seems so wrong to call something people have loved for years "wrong" and then do your hardest to bury it. Not to mention changing other other director's visions because you didn't like it. Ahh well. At least I found a nice copy of the widescreen VHS' for a buck fifty. I'm totally fine with that.
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May 12, 2014 00:39
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Jedi Rocks can suck a bantha dick. Give me the option to watch Lapti Nek instead cus I don't care how hosed up Sy Snootles looked.
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May 12, 2014 00:49
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Neo Rasa posted:Hopefully there's less footage establishing and "de-establishing" shots of a ship landing or taking off. I think that's like half the running time of the prequel trilogy. More actual space battles would be great. See, this is the kind of thing I hear all the time which isn't really a problem in any meaningful sense, but really took off after the Plinkett reviews came out. I mean, really? The old movies had a poo poo load of establishing shots and shots of ships taking off and landing. It was a way to establish planetary environments and show off all the effects work the studio did. This isn't new, it isn't a problem, and I don't even think there's any difference between the prequels and the originals in this regard. edit: AndyElusive posted:Jedi Rocks can suck a bantha dick. I think the only reason everyone is so attached to Lapti Nek is because it was there when they first saw the movie. It's a weird, cheesy disco workout song. Jedi Rocks is a weird, cheesy pop rock song. I could take or leave either one, personally. The late-90s CGI in the Jedi Rocks sequence does stand out, but I still dig Joh Yowza. Sue me. (And this is actually one case where Lucas was actually telling the truth when he says the Special Editions put the movies back the way he wanted them. During production, Richard Marquand was on record as hating it because of how disco it was, and he said Lucas felt the same way. He assumed it would be replaced at some point, but for whatever reason they just never got around to it and ran out of time before the movie was released.) CelticPredator posted:Jedi Rocks does not ruin the movie, you're right. But the "Nooooo" does. That was one of my favorite scenes, and now it's just silly. I'm kinda over the movies at this point, but Lucas' decision to do what he did really frustrates me as a fan of film. It just seems so wrong to call something people have loved for years "wrong" and then do your hardest to bury it. Not to mention changing other other director's visions because you didn't like it. Ahh well. At least I found a nice copy of the widescreen VHS' for a buck fifty. I'm totally fine with that. Not that it would even matter, because Kershner and Marquand were hired by Lucas with the understanding that he was in charge and retained final cut, but a lot of accounts point to Lucas basically directing most of the throne room scenes in Jedi anyway. Cnut the Great fucked around with this message at 02:38 on May 12, 2014 |
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May 12, 2014 02:08
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TheBigBudgetSequel posted:Every time I pop into Best Buy they have some on the shelves and I'm no time traveler.
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May 12, 2014 03:30
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Has anyone else noticed the starwars prequels were badly written, acted, directed, and generally not enjoyable?
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May 12, 2014 03:42
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Rageaholic Monkey posted:Your Best Buy is a magical fairytale land then. Perhaps. Excuse me while I sprinkle some fairy dust on my popcorn and sit down and watch the original trilogy in it's unpissed on format.
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TheBigBudgetSequel posted:Perhaps. Excuse me while I sprinkle some fairy dust on my popcorn and sit down and watch the original trilogy in it's unpissed on format.
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May 12, 2014 04:06
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TheNakedFantastic posted:Has anyone else noticed the starwars prequels were badly written, acted, directed, and generally not enjoyable? They're more fun to talk about and infer, which is what this thread is.
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May 12, 2014 04:28
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TheNakedFantastic posted:Has anyone else noticed the starwars prequels were badly written, acted, directed, and generally not enjoyable? No; you can't notice things that did not occur.
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May 12, 2014 05:04
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Robotnik Nudes posted:Why would you want the pre-97 version? I'm curious because the only real difference I can think of might be in the title scroll for new hope.
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May 12, 2014 05:38
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Benedick Cuckold posted:See, this is the kind of thing I hear all the time which isn't really a problem in any meaningful sense, but really took off after the Plinkett reviews came out. I mean, really? The old movies had a poo poo load of establishing shots and shots of ships taking off and landing. It was a way to establish planetary environments and show off all the effects work the studio did. This isn't new, it isn't a problem, and I don't even think there's any difference between the prequels and the originals in this regard. I was only being half-serious, but this happens way too much in the prequels compared to the OT where there's just a ship taking off or landing with no dramatic reason or impact. Part of it is due to the more heavily green screened production, the shots of them may as well be a different universe from the actual scene of people entering and leaving them. Note all comparable shots in the OT are either very short or involve a ton of shooting and immediate action. I thought this way way before I even knew who Plinkett was or saw his reviews. Given Abrams though, I do think this is a valid concern given some attempt will be made to consistently homage the originals without really understanding why things in the originals worked. I'm excited about Episode VII overall but I don't see how thinking this will happen is unrealistic.
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May 12, 2014 05:53
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Xenomrph posted:The THX versions have cleaned up video and sound, but none of the Special Edition CGI "enhancements". I must have misread. I thought someone wanted a version released prior to the thx box. Must have hot my years mixed up.
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May 12, 2014 05:58
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I'm no expert on the original version's of the trilogy having only got into Star Wars when the special edition's were released but can't you just buy the Blu-Ray's or DVD's and download the despecialised edition's as "back-up" copies?
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May 12, 2014 09:17
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:No; you can't notice things that did not occur. An ironic post.
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Benedick Cuckold posted:See, this is the kind of thing I hear all the time which isn't really a problem in any meaningful sense, but really took off after the Plinkett reviews came out. I mean, really? The old movies had a poo poo load of establishing shots and shots of ships taking off and landing. It was a way to establish planetary environments and show off all the effects work the studio did. This isn't new, it isn't a problem, and I don't even think there's any difference between the prequels and the originals in this regard. Neo Rasa already replied to you but I just want to reiterate that it becomes a problem when these shots are used as infaltionary as they are used in the prequels. It's also a problem when there is a disconnect between the place shown in the establishing shot and the place the characters are in. Not for one minute did I buy that Qui Gonn and pals were running through the same streets that were shown in the Naboo Capital establishing shots, so what is that shot even there for?
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May 12, 2014 10:47
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Gaz2k21 posted:I'm no expert on the original version's of the trilogy having only got into Star Wars when the special edition's were released but can't you just buy the Blu-Ray's or DVD's and download the despecialised edition's as "back-up" copies? A lot of people have neither the patience or technical know how to gently caress with jdownloader or private torrent trackers to download the despecialized editions and get them into a TV friendly format.
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No mention of the door? It's needlessly long, and the camera angle makes the scene look so loving fake.
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dpbjinc posted:No mention of the door? It's needlessly long, and the camera angle makes the scene look so loving fake. Yeah and have you noticed the Ewoks blink?
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TheBigBudgetSequel posted:Every time I pop into Best Buy they have some on the shelves and I'm no time traveler. You seem to go to best buy pretty often, so you just might be one 
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dpbjinc posted:No mention of the door? It's needlessly long, and the camera angle makes the scene look so loving fake. This is one of my favorite ones because the door opens and they immediately enter the narrow hallway of the original film.
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dpbjinc posted:No mention of the door? It's needlessly long, and the camera angle makes the scene look so loving fake. Is that real? Honest question. I've never watched the Blu-Rays and never will. Besides an entirely unnecessary change, that looks horribly bad, to be honest. Like the door texture was copy pasted over and over. If the door is that big, the scaling of it's construction should be bigger to make it look...real. Also, the fact that they kept the angle from the original, smaller door and just added onto it. Why not just...CGI entire thing and the droids if the door was in that much of a need to recreation? But honestly, is that really in the Blu-Rays or is that like some fan criticism satire video? I've seen all other Special Editions that are packed like a Greek rear end full of unnecessary changes but this one is truly befuddling. Neo Rasa posted:This is one of my favorite ones because the door opens and they immediately enter the narrow hallway of the original film. I guess it is real. Wow. Without seeing it, this visual never occurred to me (in the 5 minutes I've known about this change) but that is a really funny and obvious inconsistency. Leaves room for Blu-Ray v2.0 to fix inside doorway. Wow though, that is a really odd change. qxx fucked around with this message at 15:55 on May 12, 2014 |
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Neo Rasa posted:This is one of my favorite ones because the door opens and they immediately enter the narrow hallway of the original film. This is one of the major things that bugs me the most about the various changes over the years. They're just so sloppy and inconsistent. They put some extra rocks in front of R2 so he is better hidden from the sand people, but then they just disappear in later shots. They completely messed up the colors of many of the lightsabers for the DVD release, then just fixed a handful of them for the blu-ray while leaving the rest as-is. I really hope that we've seen the end of these changes now that Lucas isn't personally in control anymore.
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Guys guys, I have a definitive answer to the Gungans Gungans Gungans argument: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC_mV1IpjWA Clearly the Gungans are the invaders who pushed the humans away from superior territory.
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Diabolik900 posted:This is one of the major things that bugs me the most about the various changes over the years. They're just so sloppy and inconsistent. They put some extra rocks in front of R2 so he is better hidden from the sand people, but then they just disappear in later shots. They completely messed up the colors of many of the lightsabers for the DVD release, then just fixed a handful of them for the blu-ray while leaving the rest as-is. I really hope that we've seen the end of these changes now that Lucas isn't personally in control anymore. I reckon in the build-up to the actual release of Episode VII they'll release blu-rays of "The ORIGINAL Trilogy - featuring a sneak-peek of Episode VII with an intro from JJ Abram's or something" edition.
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Szmitten posted:I reckon in the build-up to the actual release of Episode VII they'll release blu-rays of "The ORIGINAL Trilogy - featuring a sneak-peek of Episode VII with an intro from JJ Abram's or something" edition. I wouldn't be shocked, but any kind of re-release of the existing movies is actually less likely now than it was before the Disney sale because Fox still owns the distribution rights for the existing movies. Disney doesn't get them for Empire, Jedi, and the prequels until 2020. Fox owns them in perpetuity for ANH. So basically none of the existing movies are getting released again until Fox and Disney work out some kind of deal.
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May 12, 2014 17:50
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Diabolik900 posted:So basically none of the existing movies are getting released again until Fox and Disney work out some kind of deal. You know what 2 massive companies like Fox and Disney like to do? Make fuckloads of money. They know everyone wants the OG OT in HD on DVD. With that greed, I'm sure they can work out an arrangement that would be mutually beneficial and, with George Lucas out of the decision process, that would enable them to avoid any unpleasant confrontations.
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May 12, 2014 18:35
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qxx posted:You know what 2 massive companies like Fox and Disney like to do? Make fuckloads of money. They know everyone wants the OG OT in HD on DVD. With that greed, I'm sure they can work out an arrangement that would be mutually beneficial and, with George Lucas out of the decision process, that would enable them to avoid any unpleasant confrontations. I wouldn't be surprised if Lucas put something into the contract when he sold it though that "The original trilogy can not be re-released unless it's the correct, Special Edition versions"
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May 12, 2014 18:39
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qxx posted:You know what 2 massive companies like Fox and Disney like to do? Make fuckloads of money. They know everyone wants the OG OT in HD on DVD. With that greed, I'm sure they can work out an arrangement that would be mutually beneficial and, with George Lucas out of the decision process, that would enable them to avoid any unpleasant confrontations. Oh, I'm sure they will work it out. The question is when. My main point is that it's an extra hurdle that needs to be overcome, so they may not be able to re-release them at the exact time they would like.
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qxx posted:You know what 2 massive companies like Fox and Disney like to do? Make fuckloads of money. They know everyone wants the OG OT in HD on DVD. With that greed, I'm sure they can work out an arrangement that would be mutually beneficial and, with George Lucas out of the decision process, that would enable them to avoid any unpleasant confrontations. Who's going to be altering the deal, and who's going to be praying they don't alter it any further?
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Diabolik900 posted:I wouldn't be shocked, but any kind of re-release of the existing movies is actually less likely now than it was before the Disney sale because Fox still owns the distribution rights for the existing movies. Disney doesn't get them for Empire, Jedi, and the prequels until 2020. Fox owns them in perpetuity for ANH. So basically none of the existing movies are getting released again until Fox and Disney work out some kind of deal. Didn't realise it was that knee deep. If that's the case then I expect nothing. qxx posted:You know what 2 massive companies like Fox and Disney like to do? Make fuckloads of money. They know everyone wants the OG OT in HD on DVD. With that greed, I'm sure they can work out an arrangement that would be mutually beneficial and, with George Lucas out of the decision process, that would enable them to avoid any unpleasant confrontations. You'd think Fox, Sony and Disney would team up to make a REAL Marvel Avengers movie, but I bet they never will. Why have a bit of a gigantic pie when you can have all of a smaller pie. It's loving stupid and disappointing but there's no way. The franchises are worth too much and the executive egos are too big to do something altruistic. Disney have more to gain from creating new Star Wars based on the collective consciousness than loving around and paying through the nose forever to get an old one. Not yet anyway. Or, I dunno, I know nothing. Bongo Bill posted:Who's going to be altering the deal, and who's going to be praying they don't alter it any further? You're a poo poo and I love you.
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Grendels Dad posted:Neo Rasa already replied to you but I just want to reiterate that it becomes a problem when these shots are used as infaltionary as they are used in the prequels. It's also a problem when there is a disconnect between the place shown in the establishing shot and the place the characters are in. Not for one minute did I buy that Qui Gonn and pals were running through the same streets that were shown in the Naboo Capital establishing shots, so what is that shot even there for?  The above image from Episode 1 foreshadows Anakin's massacre of the sandpeople. Remember that, to him, Tatooine's sandpeople are 'coarse, rough, irritating and get everywhere' while Naboo's humans are 'soft and smooth'. That's exactly what's concisely expressed by this shot of the jet. The crucial thing people miss about the 'sand' line is the part Padme says first, to prompt Anakin's response: "I love the water. We used to lie out on the sand and let the sun dry us." Anakin immediately praises the lack of sand on Naboo, completely ignoring that Padme was just talking about the sand on Naboo. Anakin is almost willfully overlooking the fact that Naboo has its own sand and, thus, its own 'sandpeople' - not only the poor of both nations but the workers 'overseas' who produce all the food and stuff they import. Padme, for her part, is blithely ignorant of the sand that supports her. Sure enough, you can see the gaps in the surface of the jet where the landing gear and robotic crane emerge. The chrome is just a decorative surface applied over the mechanisms (like R2-D2 and the other droids) that do the actual work. The entire Tatooine section of the film involves obtaining a crucial internal component from a 'sandperson'. Also note the important fact that Anakin is directly associated with this component, the hyperdrive. He's part of the bargain. When it is brought onboard, so is he. With the ship as metaphor for how Naboo's liberal society functions, Anakin being the part that came from the junkheap and supplies the power makes perfect sense. Pretty much all the establishing shots work this way. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 20:37 on May 12, 2014 |
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qxx posted:Is that real? Honest question. It isn't real. It's an exaggerated joke clip. e: Here's an actual comparison of the two versions:  To me, the new door looks like it could have been the same as the old door if you extrapolated the shot outward. And it looks plausibly enough like it could be the same door from the inside view, IMO. It's hard to tell, because the hallway does seem to get narrower past the entryway, which is obscured.  The main issue is the zoom effect looks kind of weird. Neo Rasa posted:I was only being half-serious, but this happens way too much in the prequels compared to the OT where there's just a ship taking off or landing with no dramatic reason or impact. Part of it is due to the more heavily green screened production, the shots of them may as well be a different universe from the actual scene of people entering and leaving them. Note all comparable shots in the OT are either very short or involve a ton of shooting and immediate action. I thought this way way before I even knew who Plinkett was or saw his reviews. Well, I never noticed any issue and I think they're directly comparable to the OT's establishing shots. So I guess we're at an impasse. Cnut the Great fucked around with this message at 02:12 on May 13, 2014 |
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qxx posted:They know everyone wants the OG OT in HD on DVD. They do? I can't say why for sure, but I doubt this.
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qxx posted:You know what 2 massive companies like Fox and Disney like to do? Make fuckloads of money. They know everyone wants the OG OT in HD on DVD. With that greed, I'm sure they can work out an arrangement that would be mutually beneficial and, with George Lucas out of the decision process, that would enable them to avoid any unpleasant confrontations.  But yeah this is a like the huge wait for the final cut of Blade Runner or the delays between James Bond movies. It's less matter of "if" and more a matter of "as soon as all the paperwork is sorted out." Except everyone who has a stake on it will agree on things a lot faster leading up to Episode VII's release.
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