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BottledBodhisvata posted:I thought it was in Mars. It is. The Noctis Laybrinthus on Mars.
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BottledBodhisvata posted:I thought it was in Mars. I don't see how that is a problem.
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May 16, 2014 16:48
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Who What Now posted:I don't see how that is a problem. Don't be ridiculous. Are you telling me Mars is bigger on the inside!?
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May 16, 2014 16:52
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Space Hulks in W40K are what they say on the tin; a decaying derelict ship, usually of Imperium origin, set adrift in space for one reason or another. These derelicts are monolithically large in size and scale, and can sometimes be conglomerate hulks. Whole villages could live in these ships and not meet one another. Every Hulk is treated with utmost caution, yet they are explored because hulks can contain incredibly valuable technological salvage or revered Imperial relics. Space ships can become hulks for any number of reasons, and most of those are incredibly unpleasant. Some even still have active warp engines and randomly flit about the Immaterium with or without a Gellar field.
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May 16, 2014 16:56
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Oh yeah, going back to discussion of "poo poo that would be an awesome game" Imperial Knights, otherwise known as ESCAFLOWNE IN SPACE sort of. http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Imperial_Knight
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May 16, 2014 16:56
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BottledBodhisvata posted:Don't be ridiculous. Are you telling me Mars is bigger on the inside!? Bigger on the inside? Noooooooooooooo... That's unpossible. Ulvirich posted:Space Hulks in W40K are what they say on the tin; a decaying derelict ship, usually of Imperium origin, set adrift in space for one reason or another. These derelicts are monolithically large in size and scale, and can sometimes be conglomerate hulks. Whole villages could live in these ships and not meet one another. Every Hulk is treated with utmost caution, yet they are explored because hulks can contain incredibly valuable technological salvage or revered Imperial relics. Shipss. The plural is important.
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May 16, 2014 16:56
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BottledBodhisvata posted:Don't be ridiculous. Are you telling me Mars is bigger on the inside!? Dark Age of Technology stuff is loving insane. I'm being perfectly serious. Ulvirich posted:Whole villages could live in these ships and not meet one another. To be fair, this is the case with the larger Imperial ships as well.
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May 16, 2014 16:57
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Cythereal posted:It is. The Noctis Laybrinthus on Mars. Which is something that the AdMech keep very secret. One of the Cain books has Amberly - a relatively well connected member of the Ordos Xenos - try to find out what happened a Tech Priest who went a bit... strange over the prospect of getting his hands on Necron tech. She described his subsequent career as 'uninspiring' and noted uninterestedly that his last known assignment was to the Notcit Laybrinthus.
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May 16, 2014 16:59
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CommissarMega posted:To be fair, this is the case with the larger Imperial ships as well.  And yes, that's a cathedral to the God Emperor on top.
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May 16, 2014 17:01
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BottledBodhisvata posted:I know an easy solution to the Void Dragon, based on that wiki description. It starts waking up, just attach some Warp drives to Mars and send it hurtling towards the nearest Black Hole. Hopefully one of the other Chaos gods in the Warp will shred the Dragon up before it gets there, and if not...well, look, a black hole isn't easy to get out of for anybody, especially a giant sleepy dragon stuck inside--or built into--a planet. Well, hopefully the Void Dragon doesn't find a way to interface with the warp drives, otherwise you've got a primordial god who holds dominion over technology rocking around the galaxy with its own robot army disgorged from the bowels of the mobile planetary base you've given it.
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May 16, 2014 17:02
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CommissarMega posted:To be fair, this is the case with the larger Imperial ships as well. An imperial ESCORT class (so the analogue to a modern frigate or destroyer) is 2-5 kms long. Eldar ships (outside of their mobile homeworlds called craftworlds) are usually quite a bit smaller. The bowels of Imperium ships are filled with thousands of crew that are needed to keep it running. Entire communities that never see the outside of their particular vessel that often span generations. Adding to this pool usually means pressganging convicts or simply unlucky civilians. Their entire lives are spent making sure the nobles who run the ship (who they likely never even get a glimpse of) are kept happy by their well-run vessel.
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May 16, 2014 17:11
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Inco posted:Well, hopefully the Void Dragon doesn't find a way to interface with the warp drives, otherwise you've got a primordial god who holds dominion over technology rocking around the galaxy with its own robot army disgorged from the bowels of the mobile planetary base you've given it. Like that matters, it already has wings. Duh, Dragon! If it won't go quietly, I'll just kick the planet there. Now bring me the biggest pair of boots in the Imperium, for the God Emperor doth love the sport of football, yea, and he will bless this most fine of strikers as he smacks Mars into the sun.
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May 16, 2014 17:13
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CommissarMega posted:Dark Age of Technology stuff is loving insane. I'm being perfectly serious. And Necron technology is well beyond the height of the Dark Age. Until the Newcrons, the Necrons had the only non-warp faster than light travel in the setting. How did they do this? By turning off inertia. As it is, on the tabletop their replacement for psykers are scientists who do field experiments. Like stopping time and turning armor plating into gelatin.
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May 16, 2014 17:14
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Mokinokaro posted:An imperial ESCORT class (so the analogue to a modern frigate or destroyer) is 2-5 kms long. Eldar ships (outside of their mobile homeworlds called craftworlds) are usually quite a bit smaller. Like in all cases with 40K, it depends. I was in an RT game where I (the RT) had to broker diplomatic marriages between rival gun crews, with the Nova Cannon crew serving as neutral mediators 
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May 16, 2014 17:32
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May 16, 2014 17:50
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That looks like a Cygnar Warjack from Warmachine.
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May 16, 2014 17:55
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Kurieg posted:That looks like a Cygnar Warjack from Warmachine. Only ten times larger and inherently better because one of its arms is a chainsaw. Everything in this setting is better with a chainsaw.
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May 16, 2014 18:01
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Kurieg posted:That looks like a Cygnar Warjack from Warmachine. It's an old 'Beetleback' Warhound Titan from Epic. Or something similar, anyway, it's a lot more detailed than the ones that GW put out.
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May 16, 2014 18:04
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Cradok posted:It's an old 'Beetleback' Warhound Titan from Epic. Or something similar, anyway, it's a lot more detailed than the ones that GW put out. No it's an Imperial Knight. Smaller than a Warhound they protect the Agri-Worlds of the Adeptus Mechanicus that supply food to the Forge Worlds. They are basically piloted robot knights on fantasy worlds who live by the Knights code, two types(currently) in circulation for regular 40k are the Knight-Errant and the Knight Paladin. quote:The Knights themselves come in several varieties, all of which have an energy shield to protect them from incoming fire and have a mix of shooty and choppy. Two varieties have just recently appeared in the 40K model range, the Knight Paladin with its rapid fire battlecannon and the Knight Errant with its thermal cannon. Other varieties, yet to be seen in 40k, are the Knight Lancer - similar to the Paladin, but faster and with more choppy, the Knight Crusader with Lascannons and a titan grade Quake Cannon, the Knight Castellan with Autocannons and a Quake Cannon and the command Baron class Knight with an even faster firing battlecannon, improved armour and the speed and choppiness of the Lancer. Or as the 1d4chan page puts it. quote:Knight Titan lore is some of the coolest stuff in 40K. True to both the medieval tradition and epic feel that 40K thrives from, Knight Titans protect the Agri Worlds that the Mechanicus use to supply (and predominantly feed) their incredibly ravenous Forge Worlds. These Titans are easier to produce by far than even the humble Warhound Titan and so can be made reliably, produced almost as an afterthought. So Knights aren't the biggest, baddest, most overblown thing in 40K -- but, they are to the Knight Worlders. The people who live and die on those Agri Worlds, delineated from other Agri Worlds by their designation as Knight Worlds, are all on the technological and societal footing of Medieval Europe. A lot of these worlds look like the Empire, from Warhammer Fantasy. Kings and Queens, Arthurian legend, stone brick castles and skullcapped peasantry abound; fields and forests extend to every horizon without end. EDIT: Oh yeah, and they're single pilot, so it would be perfect for a game.
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May 16, 2014 18:09
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BottledBodhisvata posted:I know an easy solution to the Void Dragon, based on that wiki description. It starts waking up, just attach some Warp drives to Mars and send it hurtling towards the nearest Black Hole. Hopefully one of the other Chaos gods in the Warp will shred the Dragon up before it gets there, and if not...well, look, a black hole isn't easy to get out of for anybody, especially a giant sleepy dragon stuck inside--or built into--a planet. Slight issue is that even if that worked, then the imperium is still in deep poo poo because while Mars lacks the deus ex machina powers of Terra, it's still the absolute best forge world in the imperium. There are a lot of things that are only produced on Mars. Not to mention the admech would be kinda hosed without their homeworld. Cradok posted:It's an old 'Beetleback' Warhound Titan from Epic. Or something similar, anyway, it's a lot more detailed than the ones that GW put out. I was wondering why I didn't recongise it. I really like the current warhounds but that's much cooler in a different way.
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May 16, 2014 18:13
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Onmi posted:No it's an Imperial Knight. Smaller than a Warhound they protect the Agri-Worlds of the Adeptus Mechanicus that supply food to the Forge Worlds. They are basically piloted robot knights on fantasy worlds who live by the Knights code, two types(currently) in circulation for regular 40k are the Knight-Errant and the Knight Paladin. Ugh, so it is. I even remember looking them up after I read Mechanicum...
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OwlFancier posted:Slight issue is that even if that worked, then the imperium is still in deep poo poo because while Mars lacks the deus ex machina powers of Terra, it's still the absolute best forge world in the imperium. There are a lot of things that are only produced on Mars. Not to mention the admech would be kinda hosed without their homeworld. Acceptable losses when faced with the prospect of losing all Warp technology. Besides, gently caress dragons and gently caress admechs.
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BottledBodhisvata posted:Acceptable losses when faced with the prospect of losing all Warp technology. Besides, gently caress dragons and gently caress admechs. They may actually lose all technology if the Void Dragon dies though, there's a very good chance it makes all tech work for the Imperium. quote:The Void Dragon can exert control over any machine, making him the most influential C'tan when at full power. It has been theorized that the Emperor battled the Void Dragon and successfully managed to put it to sleep under Mars. He didn't kill the Dragon, instead using its influence to give humanity mastery over machines. Extended from this theory, it is believed by some that the Omnissiah fervently worshiped by the Adeptus Mechanicus is actually the Void Dragon, as he's supposedly the entity that causes the ramshackle excuse for technology the Imperium has to work properly. There's also an Eldar legend of their forge god Vaul failing to destroy the Dragon, only managing to force its hibernation in the so-called "Vaul Moon," although that could, in fact, be Mars itself. In case you're wondering how powerful he is, note that he was once shot at by multiple Blackstone Fortresses simultaneously (keeping in mind that even a single Blackstone Fortress can destroy a planet Death Star-style); all this managed to do was make him sleepy. Vaul, meanwhile, allegedly attacked the Dragon with an army at his back and was never heard from again. This is probably the only reason the Emperor was able to defeat the Dragon; it was just tired fro- *BLAM!* HERESY! In short, powerful as gently caress. The Necrons under his command are probably massive technophiles with a raging hard-on for machines....then again, they're already machines, so that would be expected, but they're probably even bigger technophiles than their fellows and emphasize their mechanicalness over their undeadness. And a picture of a Knight with it's Thermal Cannon (Basically a giant Melta) with Space Marines 
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May 16, 2014 18:21
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Onmi posted:They may actually lose all technology if the Void Dragon dies though, there's a very good chance it makes all tech work for the Imperium. ...new plan. Mass suicide.
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May 16, 2014 18:22
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Blowing up Mars is also stupid Idea as it is the main base of the Admech. Meaning that if it is gone then most of Humanity tech will be lost.
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May 16, 2014 18:31
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MonsterEnvy posted:Blowing up Mars is also stupid Idea as it is the main base of the Admech. Meaning that if it is gone then most of Humanity tech will be lost. Exactly. Remember that wall of text I posted a while back, Bodhisavatta? Especially this part: quote:The Imperium isn't grim because things suck by choice and could be fine if a sensible person came along. That sensible person wouldn't survive fifty seconds of the reality. The Imperium is grim because every single poo poo decision, every single sacrifice, every single death, every single man woman and child suffering a poo poo life in the worst conditions imaginable, is the absolute loving best that can be done. It is a study of the worst happening to everyone and what part of your humanity must be sacrificed today just to stand a chance of survival, and all it asks is whether or not it would have perhaps been better to die. Basically, the position the Imperium's in? That's the top- there's nowhere else to go but down.
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May 16, 2014 19:31
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To be fair they can certainly go up. It would just require a god damned miracle to go up. What they are doing right now is the best they can do to keep themselves alive, With the exception of Rogue psychotic inquisitors. But even the inquisition mostly functions because there NEEDS to be oversight in Demons, Xenos and Heretics. Those are dangerous things, and the Imperial Guard and Space Marines are busy fighting for everyones sake every waking moment of the day. someone needs to be able to investigate or explore or search for some way to turn the tide. Chaos cannot be managed by the Arbites, Heretics can infiltrate the command structure and then there's nothing to be done. Chaos can get you in such insidious ways, as someone once said, the reason there aren't any mirrors in 40k is so nobody can see what Chaos is DOING to them. Because if they could see themselves in the mirror they would realize how hosed they were. As for Xeno's? If you could trust them, just for a moment, it would be fine. But the Eldar continue to gently caress with humanity even when it leads to their own ruin, they try to use them as tools. The Tau? they seem friendly, But well... have you ever read the Jaime Reyes Blue Beetle? The enemy faction in that comic is The Reach and the way they take over planets isn't through war, it's through peace, you arrive, gift technology, you worm your culture into the population, you make the people of the planet dependent on you and then BAM. they have you without ever needing to fire a shot. You can see it in the first Cain book, half the population has gone Tau-lover in a very unsettling way. And these are the races the Imperium works with! they have an alliance with the Tau over the Tyranids, these are the guys who are humanities greatest allies. and I use that loosely. You can't even say that it's the Imperiums Anti-Xeno policies that make it this way. Make no mistake, everyone else loving hates everyone else except the Tau who just want to subvert all your culture and make you apart of the Greater Good.
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May 16, 2014 19:42
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...I just realized something. What, exactly, makes an Adeptus Mechanicus different from a Necron in a red cloak?
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May 16, 2014 19:52
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MonsterEnvy posted:Blowing up Mars is also stupid Idea as it is the main base of the Admech. Meaning that if it is gone then most of Humanity tech will be lost.
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May 16, 2014 20:04
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GilliamYaeger posted:...I just realized something. Necrons use technology freely and without any fear or reservation whereas the Ad Mech is locked into a religious dogma that calls for extreme caution (sometimes to the point of paranoia) when handling any kind of complex machinery.
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May 16, 2014 20:13
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Neflame posted:Necrons use technology freely and without any fear or reservation whereas the Ad Mech is locked into a religious dogma that calls for extreme caution (sometimes to the point of paranoia) when handling any kind of complex machinery.
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May 16, 2014 20:18
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Neflame posted:Necrons use technology freely and without any fear or reservation whereas the Ad Mech is locked into a religious dogma that calls for extreme caution (sometimes to the point of paranoia) when handling any kind of complex machinery. I want a scene where three Ad Mechs are sweating, freaking out, agonizing over a complicated machine, checking old chemistry textbooks and periodic tables, fumbling over chants and rituals, until finally one just praises the Emperor's name and slams his finger down on a button...thus turning on the coffee pot. Everyone sighs in relief.
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May 16, 2014 20:19
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radintorov posted:Also I doubt that Necrons will murder your entire family and rifle through your drawers if they even think that they might hide a piece of technology that they don't have yet. That depends entirely on which Necron.
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radintorov posted:Also I doubt that Necrons will murder your entire family and rifle through your drawers if they even think that they might hide a piece of technology that they don't have yet. That's because they have it all. Instead, you get Trazyn the Infinite and his collection of a thousand space marines frozen in time with different moments of fear on their faces. ^welp
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May 16, 2014 20:22
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wiegieman posted:That's because they have it all. Instead, you get Trazyn the Infinite and his collection of a thousand space marines frozen in time with different moments of fear on their faces. That actually makes him sound creepy and not something stupid Ward pulled out of his rear end, like I initially thought.
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I'm still curious at what age those space marines were collected.I wouldn't be surprised if there was a bloody Primarch in his collection
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May 16, 2014 21:33
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boredsatellite posted:I'm still curious at what age those space marines were collected.I wouldn't be surprised if there was a bloody Primarch in his collection There is a "giant clad in baroque power armor" in his collection. Your guess is as good as anyone else's on what that means, though. Could be a Primarch. Could be a Thunder Warrior. Could be a Custodes. Could be something else entirely.
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Neflame posted:Necrons use technology freely and without any fear or reservation whereas the Ad Mech is locked into a religious dogma that calls for extreme caution (sometimes to the point of paranoia) when handling any kind of complex machinery. What I was trying to imply here is would anyone notice any difference between a Techpriest and a Necron in a robe? The main implication here is that the Emperor made an alliance with Necrons on Mars, which is how he got access to the Void Dragon (which is as dead as all the other C'tan). Its a bit of an out-there theory, I'll admit, but...
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Cythereal posted:There is a "giant clad in baroque power armor" in his collection. Your guess is as good as anyone else's on what that means, though. Could be a Primarch. Could be a Thunder Warrior. Could be a Custodes. Could be something else entirely. Yeah that part always triggered off tinfoil theories about a Primarch for me. Would be interesting if it was a Thunder Warrior
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If White Dwarf is correct, it's Vulkan. Also, while browsing Lexicanum to learn more about the Titan legions, I found something familiar. 
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