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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:gently caress I hate Memorial Day weekend. But all the free food!
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:gently caress I hate Memorial Day weekend. Ditto. I view it as a free day off work. I am the bad man Mallard Fillmore bitches about 
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May 24, 2014 19:24
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The Pretty Zombie posted:But all the free food! Argh. I forgot about that. Do you know how many vets are out there? You have to make reservations at Applebee's for goodness' sake. Or you wait an hour to get your free appetizer or whatever they are giving away from the "value" section of their menu so they can bait you into buying a real meal.
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May 24, 2014 19:26
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Ceiling fan posted:Argh. I forgot about that. Do you know how many vets are out there? You have to make reservations at Applebee's for goodness' sake. Or you wait an hour to get your free appetizer or whatever they are giving away from the "value" section of their menu so they can bait you into buying a real meal. 'Real' meal...
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May 24, 2014 19:28
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Ceiling fan posted:You have to make reservations at Applebee's for goodness' sake. Veterans have gone through enough, why would you do such a thing? Survivor's guilt?
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May 24, 2014 19:43
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Darkman Fanpage posted:Hank you. Someone call for Henk? 
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May 24, 2014 19:51
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colonel_korn posted:Anyone wanna put in a bulk order? "America loves Obama! They love him so much that almost half the country doesn't disapprove of him!"
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May 24, 2014 20:00
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Xander77 posted:Why the poo poo do you even care about this? Of all things to take issue with, why does this non-problem bother you enough to keep track of it? Show Don't Tell is a basic rule of the medium (which can be bent or broken if you are talented, which Rall is not), and it's funny see how long Rall relied on text boxes to tell us everything instead of letting people infer it from the actions and thoughts of his characters. This is a guy who thinks he has the chops to write his own version of 1984. In other words: relax. It's just a way of saying that Rall is a hack 
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May 24, 2014 20:04
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:gently caress I hate Memorial Day weekend. Oh...ehm... gently caress you..?
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May 24, 2014 20:21
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Rorus Raz posted:Except I didn't keep track of it, as evidenced by my post literally saying I lost count? I'm surprised that guy got so mad at you for that post but doesn't have anything to say to the guy making multi-paragraph analyses of each page.
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May 24, 2014 20:22
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54.4 crowns posted:Oh...ehm... WHY DO YOU HATE ARE TROOPS!?
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May 24, 2014 20:23
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To demonstrate Rall's "Show Don't Tell" problem, let's look back at the very first page posted, the only one I actually bothered to read. Our first introduction is Rall describing Winston's watch: quote:It was a bright hot day in April, and the battered Texas Instruments watch on Winston's wrist, purchased in a moment of ironic consumerism at a flea market, was beeping thirteen. See anything in there that maybe should have been, oh, I dunno, drawn?! Something that, in fact, is not visible at all on that page? Now, granted, the "moment of ironic consumerism" factoid would probably need some text to be introduced, but pretty much everything else could be established by just drawing the outdoors and Winston's watch. Which Rall seems to have entirely forgotten about since Winston doesn't appear to be wearing a watch. (Anyone spot a frame with Winston wearing this watch? Honestly I'm a bit curious.) quote:Winston nodded at the bored desk attendant and scanned himself into his luxe/river vu/2 BR in Battery Park Tower D. Here Rall at least drew the guard and Winston scanning. Sort of. The guard could be bored, there's no way to tell, since Rall doesn't do facial expressions, and without the text, it would be impossible to know that Winston is "scanning himself into" his apartment and not picking up a flyer from a rack. And it goes on. So much stuff that, in the hands of a competent cartoonist, would have been drawn, has to instead be told in text boxes to make up for Rall's lack of expressive faces and horrible art style.
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May 24, 2014 20:24
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I'm actually really curious the number of vets who actually do hate what Memorial Day has become. Is it one of those issues that conservative cartoonists like to act high and mighty about or is there a big contingent of vets who do find the weird, I suppose commercialization is the word, of the holiday offensive?
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May 24, 2014 20:33
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OldTennisCourt posted:I'm actually really curious the number of vets who actually do hate what Memorial Day has become. Is it one of those issues that conservative cartoonists like to act high and mighty about or is there a big contingent of vets who do find the weird, I suppose commercialization is the word, of the holiday offensive? Unlike politicians, who will deliver the same platitudes as ever. And political cartoonists, who will do the same. Except Tinsley, who will probably try to give the middle finger to teachers, postal workers, and other governmental employees as "lazy".
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May 24, 2014 20:37
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May 24, 2014 20:45
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Terminators are super affordable, apparently.
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May 24, 2014 20:47
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Goddamnit. I know it's Catalino, so he probably thinks he put in enough work by actually (Also, if you're doing a "Winnie the Pooh in Russia" cartoon, you really should be using the
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May 24, 2014 20:54
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You can't demand higher wages! Robots will replace you!
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May 24, 2014 20:56
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MisterBadIdea posted:Terminators are super affordable, apparently. I really hate this argument, because it is not true. Whenever you replace a counter jockey with a machine, whether it's in fast food or retail, the line has been demonstrably proven to move slower and produce less customer satisfaction. Plus, the machine has a much higher upkeep, and, it universally requires human staff around anyway for when it breaks, or doesn't work, or the customer does something it can't handle. The auto-checkout at the grocery store I custodianed at last summer was calling staff up to make it function every day I was there. Pay the goddamn mop jockeys more.
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May 24, 2014 20:57
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Darkman Fanpage posted:You can't demand higher wages! Robots will replace you! This is actually just a thing happened cartoon. Fast food restaurants are seriously looking into replacing workers with robots.
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May 24, 2014 20:58
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Xenoveritas posted:This is actually just a thing happened cartoon. Fast food restaurants are seriously looking into replacing workers with robots. This is actually extremely hilarious.
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May 24, 2014 21:00
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Xenoveritas posted:This is actually just a thing happened cartoon. Fast food restaurants are seriously looking into replacing workers with robots. And what do the commentaries contain? quote:Working at a fast food restaurant was never meant for a grown adult who may be raising children, or a single parent, or just an adult in general. You can not survive on that kind of income. But I guess it's easier for people to complain they don't get paid enough (When they work at a job that should be occupied by high-schoolers.) rather then reach for something better. quote:People who expect to raise a family with kids on a burger flippers pay need to seriously have their heads examined. They definitely have a mental disease. Now with Obummercare, and their free medicaid, maybe they can finally get the mental help they need.
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May 24, 2014 21:12
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Oh yes, "fast-food jobs are for teenagers, adults should just go get a higher-paying job somewhere". Where do you even start with that? How do you even begin reacting to that kind of ignorance? I'm asking seriously. My dad's a pretty party-line Democrat, and last time I tried discussing Seattle's push for a $15 minimum wage with him, it pretty much ended with that sentiment. It's not like his 24-year-old son can just explain "the way the world is". Ditocoaf fucked around with this message at 21:25 on May 24, 2014 |
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May 24, 2014 21:20
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:gently caress I hate Memorial Day weekend. Yew got a problem with the indy 500 yew fuckin commie?
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May 24, 2014 21:27
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Ditocoaf posted:Oh yes, "fast-food jobs are for teenagers, adults should just go get a higher-paying job somewhere". Where do you even start with that? How do you even begin reacting to that kind of ignorance? Give whoever's mouthing off a recent grad resume, even in the vaunted STEM fields, and tell them to get looking. Make sure they know there's only six months before they have to start paying off loans. And regarding serverbots,  if you think fast food companies weren't thinking about this without a minimum wage hike.
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May 24, 2014 21:28
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"Hey, baby, want to kill all humans?" quote:So Boehner & Co are fundraising off of dead Americans? Good to know, Breen.
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May 24, 2014 21:35
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Shugojin posted:Give whoever's mouthing off a recent grad resume, even in the vaunted STEM fields, and tell them to get looking. Make sure they know there's only six months before they have to start paying off loans. As I said, they've been thinking about this for YEARS. And trying it--some restaurants already have automated cashiers, and grocery stores have self-checkout lines. The problem is that without an enormous leap in technology to allow computers the same kind of capabilities that humans have, it's not viable. Automated systems always need human backups around, usually on a 1:1 ratio, so serverbots do not make sense right now. Maybe sometime in the future they will, but I doubt it.
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May 24, 2014 21:37
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Oh yeah definitely. Hell, the cashierbots make things actively more difficult and I don't like to use them even when I have like, three things because it takes forever what with the "is item in bag yet" sensor being a finnicky piece of poo poo. And yet every time you walk by them there's two or three weirdos arduously ringing up a full grocery cart on the drat things. 
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May 24, 2014 21:41
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I'll never in my life understand middle class Americans frothing rage and pure HATRED for the poor. Like it's not even apathy, it's just absolute venom for these "loving LAZY PIECES OF poo poo WORKING 3 JOBS, WORTHLESS SCUM!". What mental gymnastics do you go through to justify being such an awful person to people whose crime is...not being well off?
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May 24, 2014 21:41
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OldTennisCourt posted:I'll never in my life understand middle class Americans frothing rage and pure HATRED for the poor. Like it's not even apathy, it's just absolute venom for these "loving LAZY PIECES OF poo poo WORKING 3 JOBS, WORTHLESS SCUM!". What mental gymnastics do you go through to justify being such an awful person to people whose crime is...not being well off? Because being poor is a moral failing you see. If you really were a good christian, god would show his love through wealth.
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May 24, 2014 21:43
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OldTennisCourt posted:I'll never in my life understand middle class Americans frothing rage and pure HATRED for the poor. Like it's not even apathy, it's just absolute venom for these "loving LAZY PIECES OF poo poo WORKING 3 JOBS, WORTHLESS SCUM!". What mental gymnastics do you go through to justify being such an awful person to people whose crime is...not being well off? Reagan invented the term welfare queen in order to deflect the middle class hate to the poor instead of the rich, that coupled with our human urge to feel above someone else it worked quite well.
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May 24, 2014 21:45
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Well, you see, we live in a just world, so, therefore, if someone is poor and working their hardest but still only just barely surviving... They must (mayst? really, auto-correct?!) be drug addicts or other degenerates. Yeah, that's it. They just didn't try hard enough in school.
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May 24, 2014 21:45
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2024: By Chris Muir
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OldTennisCourt posted:I'll never in my life understand middle class Americans frothing rage and pure HATRED for the poor. Like it's not even apathy, it's just absolute venom for these "loving LAZY PIECES OF poo poo WORKING 3 JOBS, WORTHLESS SCUM!". What mental gymnastics do you go through to justify being such an awful person to people whose crime is...not being well off? The thing I still retain the most from Slaughterhouse 5 is the little vignette about the American-born Nazi who writes a pamphlet talking about how to deal with American PoWs. How America is the only country with no noble peasant tradition, that culturally teaches people to hate each other and themselves for being poor. The point being that even the Nazis were better about poverty than American Society is.
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May 24, 2014 21:47
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Shugojin posted:Oh yeah definitely. Hell, the cashierbots make things actively more difficult and I don't like to use them even when I have like, three things because it takes forever what with the "is item in bag yet" sensor being a finnicky piece of poo poo. Stop buying paper clips individually.
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May 24, 2014 21:49
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Ditocoaf posted:Oh yes, "fast-food jobs are for teenagers, adults should just go get a higher-paying job somewhere". Where do you even start with that? How do you even begin reacting to that kind of ignorance? 
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May 24, 2014 21:51
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Kopijeger posted:And what do the commentaries contain? quote:Do you mean American "poor" (with cell phones and DVD players) or South American "poor" (with no roof over their head)?  What's with all the wasted white space that sometimes get around these toons? I've seen it from time to time and have always wondered.
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May 24, 2014 21:53
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I don't think that would work in this case, because most people spouting the view that fast food jobs are "for teenagers" believe that that's the way they should be. So even if you can prove that there are people trying to live on fast food jobs, the counter-argument is simple: they shouldn't be, reality be damned.
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May 24, 2014 21:55
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Taciturn Tactician posted:"America loves Obama! They love him so much that almost half the country doesn't disapprove of him!" It may be a joke about Zogby and Rassmussen being biased right wing pollsters. Which they are, granted, but the real numbers aren't exactly stellar.
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Wikipedia provides the wider view. Currently Obama's average rating is actually worse than Bush's, but that's mostly a false positive caused by the 9/11 spike. His approval at this point is also lower than Bush or Clinton at this point in either of their terms, but his overall curve is less distinctly negative than Bush's was.
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