Hubis posted:

I read a piece by a comedian recently (I can't remember who) that made the point that you can get away with making jokes about pretty much anything -- but they have to actually be funny. If you're not, you just end up parroting offensive stereotypes or just sounding like an insensitive clod who is rubbing salt in the wounds of marginalized groups. It's not an easy thing to judge given the ephemeral and subjective nature of humor, but then if you're not really so sure that your joke cuts through the social baggage of your subject to some inner truth that reveals an aspect people hadn't thought about or exposes some sort of absurdity about the entire matter maybe you shouldn't be making jokes about that sort of thing. I don't think the guy should have been fired for writing it, but you're missing the part where the managers refused to take any sort of action on it.

Anyways, that? A lame pun, not a funny one, and certainly not one worth hanging your self on the cross to defend.

This? Not funny (for, like, ALL the reasons)


This? Funny.



e:

"I like my beer like I like my violence: Domestic and invisible to the police"

There - now it's funny. Still not suitable for a loving sandwich board in a bar, but funny.

Zeroisanumber posted:

Some posts that Rodgers made on his board for ugly shut-ins. Guy was crazier than a sack of assholes:

Hubis posted:

I read a piece by a comedian recently (I can't remember who) that made the point that you can get away with making jokes about pretty much anything -- but they have to actually be funny. If you're not, you just end up parroting offensive stereotypes or just sounding like an insensitive clod who is rubbing salt in the wounds of marginalized groups. It's not an easy thing to judge given the ephemeral and subjective nature of humor, but then if you're not really so sure that your joke cuts through the social baggage of your subject to some inner truth that reveals an aspect people hadn't thought about or exposes some sort of absurdity about the entire matter maybe you shouldn't be making jokes about that sort of thing. I don't think the guy should have been fired for writing it, but you're missing the part where the managers refused to take any sort of action on it.

Anyways, that? A lame pun, not a funny one, and certainly not one worth hanging your self on the cross to defend.

This? Not funny (for, like, ALL the reasons)


This? Funny.



e:

"I like my beer like I like my violence: Domestic and invisible to the police"

There - now it's funny. Still not suitable for a loving sandwich board in a bar, but funny.

Thermos H Christ posted:

OK but see you clearly realize humor is a highly subjective thing. If jokes about terrible things are acceptable when they're "funny enough," the question is "funny enough according to whom?"

I guarantee if I showed that last 9/11 picture to a thousand randomly chosen Americans, more people would find it despicable than hilarious. Hell, just by posting it here you accepted the risk that someone who was in Manhattan or lost loved ones that day might be seriously, legitimately distressed by a reminder of that trauma being shoved in their face and treated as a joke. That doesn't make it any less funny to you, and in fact the "off-limits" nature of the subject is clearly a primary source of the humor. There's a reason that "I'm going to hell for laughing at this" is such a loving cliche.

So let's all just acknowledge that jokes involving things that are very serious irl will inevitably hit too close to home for some people. But let's also not pretend we don't all laugh at some things that would be upsetting other people. And let's acknowledge there is a very long history of humor being used as a way to talk about things that are otherwise too delicate, sort of like how court jesters could get away with speaking truths about the king that would get other people imprisoned or at least banished from court. If that chalkboard got people thinking and talking about domestic violence I'd argue it probably did more good for the cause than harm.



E: Also smh at someone reading a Norm Macdonald joke and being like "guys that's not very well-constructed or clever." That man basically defines intentional anti-humor and is paradoxically very funny.

TheLovablePlutonis posted:

lmao this is the site who made the loving benny hill on 9/11 video for gently caress's sake

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AYujWCCHRk

Hubis posted:

Sure. It's honestly not worth the derail to continue debating too much, especially as we're very close to escalating into a "what is art" kind of argument. I just feel like a lot of people mistake "edgy" humor for "not giving a gently caress", when the difference is really quite vast. I'm going to guess that chalk-board made a lot of people thing "man, someone here is an unfunny douche bag" rather than reflect upon the problem of domestic violence. Just because something is subjective or relative does not completely un-moor it from its context in the rest of civilized society.


For example, this isn't funny any more than the Benny Hill soundtrack is funny. It's funny because it's underscoring the tremendousness of the tragedy precisely because of how inappropriate it its, and because of how iconic the footage it is using has become. It's juxtaposing two completely incompatible signifiers. Again, it turns out being offensive and funny at the same time is actually kind of an art.

steinrokkan posted:

That chalkboard slogan wasn't particularly funny, but it too was contingent on understanding the absurd difference between the banality of drinking beer and the severity of domestic violence. Without recognizing the contrast, there's no joke.

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ANP Report for May 21, 2014
Racial Comrades: It's time for some very blunt talk. The "state of the racial movement" is such, that it's long overdue that we prepare a SERIOUS appraisal of "where we are" - and WHY.

In my mind, the REASON of this mess, is simple - far too much, and too many of the people involved - LIVE in the PAST.

Look at the "Southern" area of America, once a hot bed of White racial resistance. The "klans" are literally GONE - non-existent. WHY? Once again it is simple. White people in the 21st CENTURY - dealing with ALL the PROBLEMS that they face - do NOT harken back to the days of wealthy oligarchs who owned vast numbers of negro slaves, while treating the common White man and woman as "white trash", to be used as cannon fodder to keep their plush lifestyles, as something valuable to return to.

Nor, do they see a grouping of (usually bearded, unkempt, raggedy-tag ) folks in pointy head klown costumes as their potential saviors - especially, when they let loose with their vocal obscenities and racial slurs - ACTING just as IF the enemy had SCRIPTED their behavior for some anti-White Hollywood "screen play". WHAT do these types have to OFFER White Americans, except a crude outlet for their anger over "what's occurring" in present day America? NOTHING.

Even the non-klan groups, tend to harken back to the days of the Civil War - " Leagues of the Confederacy " or what not - waving Civil War era flags and banners, and trying for some strange reason, to SEPARATE White "Southerners" from the rest of our White Folk in the U.S. - don't White people have ENOUGH separating us from each other as racial brothers and sisters - without some within our ranks - driving the wedge in further?!

In the "National Socialist" scene for lack of a better term - we still have a handful of hard core HOLLYWIERD NUTZIS - who feel that the HIGH POINT in their pitiful loser lives, is to EMULATE the morons in the "Blues Brothers" movie getting run off the bridge. In the NS arena, we have far too many whose whole desire to "be a Nazi" is apparently driven by #1 wanting a costume of some homemade variety, #2 wearing that costume in public, so as to ANNOY "someone", and #3 ACT is a behavior totally UN-NATIONAL SOCIALIST if we are to gauge their antics VS the behavior of Adolf Hitler's National Socialists in NS Germany. #4 Dwelling fanatically upon "what they did back then" - rather than APPLYING the National Socialist IDEOLOGY to TODAY'S PROBLEMS, and FOR today's American, Aryan population.

First off, we desperately NEED to UNDERSTAND that this is NOT the 1860's, NOR is it the 1930's OR the 1960's even. People: It's the 21st CENTURY in America!

PLAY ACTING is NOT going to do it. White people in America are VERY close to becoming a MINORITY in a land that WAS ONCE - ours. And just "WHAT" is the "BEST" that the "White Movement" can come up with as an "answer" to THAT? Recently, a couple "pro-southern organizations" held a pitiful demonstration in front of the HQ of the SPLC. WHY? Were they attempting to recruit Morris Dees? LOL I'm quite sure that the pathetic DOZEN people who waved placards, didn't "scare" Dees one bit - in FACT - he probably should have PAID THEM, for giving him more fodder to use in his future fund raising propaganda! This behavior has to stop! IF you CANNOT turn out HUNDREDS or even THOUSANDS of demonstrators - DON'T DO IT! You're only SHOWING how WEAK and PITIFUL you are...

Similar to this, earlier this month, the tiny group known as the so-called "nsm" held their "National Convention" down south. This is the group of Hollywierd Nutzi's who are constantly held up by the SPLC, the ADL, the jews-media, etc et al - as the "Biggest, Bad-rear end Neo Nazi group" since WWII.

In FACT, they are SUPPOSEDLY the "largest White Power group" currently in the U.S. Well, they had less than a DOZEN of their members attending their "national" convention - and OF COURSE, along with another handful of "types" such as some "Sadistic Soul" bikers - just HAD to make another PITIFUL appearance for the jews media camera's , at a fenced in "rally", away from any normal White folks to hear them, but surrounded by hundreds of Anti-White counter demonstrators, for the enemy to put on the tube.

Almost HALF their number of costumed "nsm stormtroopers" were obese women, and the men weren't in much better shape. Is THIS the IMAGE of National Socialism we want to sink into the public mind? Is THIS what Adolf Hitler referred to when he said he envisioned National Socialists as " Lean as Greyhounds, Tough as Leather, and Hard as Krupp Steel"? LMAO! This is PATHETIC - HALLOWEEN PLAY ACTING of the WORSE kind!

The days of George Lincoln Rockwell's "PHASE ONE" stuntsmanship are OVER - LONG GONE with that era! The advent of the INTERNET destroyed any NEED for such behavior - but, the morons who are today's mini-fuhrers obviously are too STUPID to come up with "SOMETHING NEW", in strategies and tactics - so they continue to tread in that circle. Boy, it must be a pretty deep one by now - doing the same old, simply BECAUSE - it was done before - never mind that it led NO WHERE PRODUCTIVE!

Comrades, we HAVE to get to TRYING - "SOMETHING NEW" - and "WHAT" that something IS, is pretty OBVIOUS to ME.

White people are going to NEED some sincere REPRESENTATION in the political system in the coming FUTURE ( as if we don't now ). I DON'T mean some smiling, fat, corrupt PALE FACE liar - who ALWAYS can be counted upon to be OUR people's WORST "representative" possible. I'm talking about "ONE of US" - and we aren't going to get ONE - IF - he/she ACTS as the current crop of "Movement Personalities" currently DO.

I know, I've said all this before, but I feel its important...

WHAT'S the ANSWER? Once again it's VERY SIMPLE - the "racial movement" must STOP ALL its SILLINESS and get involved in what we're SUPPOSED to BE in existence for. REAL WORLD POLITICS. No, NOT the con game of campaigning for offices we have no realistic measure of winning, ala Senator, Governor, President etc et al - but, LOCAL OFFICES - where there IS the possibility of GAINING some real POWER for once!

And again NO! - we do NOT campaign "OPENLY" as NS or WN or even racialists - just as COMMON SENSE, NORMAL, White Americans, with the BEST INTERESTS of OUR community at heart. You know, with EFFORT - it CAN be DONE.

When is Don Black ( and all the other "forum" poohbah's ) going to direct all the energies of his "thousands of posters, with their millions of posts" - into something PRODUCTIVE, like REAL POLITICAL activity, over on "stormfront"?

When are these folks with their "PLE'S" and fantasy "homelands" going to INSTEAD direct all their energies into GETTING some POWER in the LOCALITIES where they already reside?

How about all these media hound "protest groups", QUIT PLAYING AROUND - for a few seconds of "fame" ( boosting your egos) on the enemies controlled media, receiving ALWAYS negative "publicity" - and INSTEAD pick ONE political seat somewhere, and CAMPAIGN for it?

Wouldn't those "Southerners" in front of the SPLC, have better spent their time, money and efforts - CAMPAIGNING for some POLITICAL POWER way down yonder? Unlike their past brethren of the 1960's, don't they REALIZE by NOW - that "posturing" for the camera's lens ACHIEVES NOTHING - IF the "klan" had CAMPAIGNED and WON political power down south in the 60's, instead of TRUSTING to phony con-servative pale faces saying one thing and doing another - things might have gone a much different way than it did. Am I REALLY wrong here? Am I misguided?

SOMEONE IS. IF your organization, or your "prominent movement personality" is AGAINST what I am desperately advocating - WHY? Just WHAT in hell IS the REASON?

So many racialists tell me constantly, that - "we're running out of time" - HERE IS MY SOLUTION.

Just about EVERYONE reading these words CAN go down to your City Clerk - it IS an ELECTION year, you know - and get YOUR NAME on the ballot. If you don't win this time - at LEAST you TRIED. And we all know the old saying about "try, try again...".

All the OTHER races HAVE their people TRYING and WINNING - what's REALLY WRONG with YOU - White Man? All TALK and no, or little, WALK.....

The American Nazi Party HAS that agenda. We ARE getting National Socialists to enter their names on the ballot. No CIRCUSES. No MEDIA WHORING. No FUN & GAMES pretending to be an "OBERSTUPADUPAFUHRER" or "GRAND EXALTED WIZARD", or CIRCUS CLOWN. Just plain old, normal White men and women DOING what NEEDS to be DONE. Does that sound like YOU?



Comrades, The White Worker magazine for May is in the mails, for those who have sent in their monthly May pledge...have you received yours yet?

The Party is considering hosting a NS Activists Conference later this year, for ANP Comrades in Good-Standing. If you would like to attend, please get current with your pledge obligations. Attendance will be based upon both your pledges as well as your activism, so please be sure to send in your monthly Activity Reports along with your donation slips. You may download the Activity Report form on the front page of the Party's website.




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steinrokkan posted:

I like my jokes like I like my women - toothless and beaten into submission.

steinrokkan posted:

That chalkboard slogan wasn't particularly funny, but it too was contingent on understanding the absurd difference between the banality of drinking beer and the severity of domestic violence. Without recognizing the contrast, there's no joke.

Nckdictator posted:

The "Comrades" language just seems really out of place.

Tiler Kiwi posted:

please use a better webcomic to illustrate your points. better yet, dont use webcomics to illustrate your points, since they are generally awful.

MinionOfCthulhu posted:

coloncalamity posted:

I'm not sure I get the whole "white knight" thing. As in, I don't get why people accuse people of being white knights. It seems like the whole fedora/neckbeard/whining-about-friendzone loser stereotype has become one big package in the past few years and I thought that caricature or whatever was supposed to whine "Why do women always go for assholes instead of nice guys like me?" and it seems like there's a bit of a contradiction when the loser believes that women want assholes yet tries to defend them as a white knight. If he doesn't think he can get laid by being a white knight, why do people always say he's talking like that just to get laid (which won't work)?

Rigged Death Trap posted:

It's Tu Quoque.
"He says he stands for women's rights, but how can he when he is not a woman himself!"



It's a juvenile view of any given situation where it posits that advocates for a cause can only belong to whichever group directly benefits from that cause.


And it's smug rear end in a top hat status quo centrism at it's worst. and I loving hate that with a passion.

Fabricated posted:

this owns gently caress the no-fun crew

coloncalamity posted:

I'm not sure I get the whole "white knight" thing. As in, I don't get why people accuse people of being white knights. It seems like the whole fedora/neckbeard/whining-about-friendzone loser stereotype has become one big package in the past few years and I thought that caricature or whatever was supposed to whine "Why do women always go for assholes instead of nice guys like me?" and it seems like there's a bit of a contradiction when the loser believes that women want assholes yet tries to defend them as a white knight. If he doesn't think he can get laid by being a white knight, why do people always say he's talking like that just to get laid (which won't work)?

Those On My Left posted:

yeah, it owns, it owns really hard, uhhhhh i get so hard thinking about domestic violence jokes, god they own, own so much

coloncalamity posted:

I'm not sure I get the whole "white knight" thing. As in, I don't get why people accuse people of being white knights. It seems like the whole fedora/neckbeard/whining-about-friendzone loser stereotype has become one big package in the past few years and I thought that caricature or whatever was supposed to whine "Why do women always go for assholes instead of nice guys like me?" and it seems like there's a bit of a contradiction when the loser believes that women want assholes yet tries to defend them as a white knight. If he doesn't think he can get laid by being a white knight, why do people always say he's talking like that just to get laid (which won't work)?

ekuNNN posted:

Today is Bakunin birthday

ekuNNN posted:

Today is Bakunin birthday

MinionOfCthulhu posted:

zoux posted:

TheLovablePlutonis posted:

Unlearning posted:

No time for MRA or any of that, but can't this literally be applied to things like race ('most terrorists are Muslims' etc.) and still hold? And doesn't that tell us there's something wrong with it?

Unlearning posted:

No time for MRA or any of that, but can't this literally be applied to things like race ('most terrorists are Muslims' etc.) and still hold? And doesn't that tell us there's something wrong with it?

Unlearning posted:

No time for MRA or any of that, but can't this literally be applied to things like race ('most terrorists are Muslims' etc.) and still hold? And doesn't that tell us there's something wrong with it?

Killer robot posted:

Killer robot posted:

I don't think you have to be an MRA to find it unsettling when well-meaning activism (satire aside) co-opts language and argument structure traditionally used by bigots, especially when a lot of time has been invested in demonstrating to people how the bigots are wrong for their language and argument structure apart from the actual social implications of their speech.

In other news, I'm glad to see the US isn't alone in stuff like politicians awkwardly throwing first pitches at baseball games, though I don't know enough about this guy to know if his awkwardness is "harmless old man" or "demonstrates that he is heartless and evil."

systran posted:

I was walking out of the gym today (I am a white, cismale) and I saw three black guys harassing a girl walking in front of them, and I could tell she was uncomfortable, but I didn't speak up for her because of my problematic race and gender, so I looked away and felt bad

systran posted:

I was walking out of the gym today (I am a white, cismale) and I saw three black guys harassing a girl walking in front of them, and I could tell she was uncomfortable, but I didn't speak up for her because of my problematic race and gender, so I looked away and felt bad