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Party Plane Jones
Jul 1, 2007

by Reene
Fun Shoe

explosivo posted:

I love Pistol Messiah but I hate pretty much being forced to roll with a pistol as a secondary. I miss the Loco :smith:

The Deagle is basically the Loco on steroids with pistols, I regularly will take down dozers solely with it.

Also the Big Bank doesn't have a huge amount of loot in it compared to other maps because its all cash and gold (unless you want to pick your way through a billion deposit boxes). On deathwish my team managed to take out every bag on the tables and still only walked away with 2.8 million.

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Drowning Rabbit
Oct 28, 2003

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!
I'm sad that there is no wolf love.

Payday 2: Alright, let's get rich

John Murdoch
May 19, 2009

I can tune a fish.
Payday 2: I was doing some experiments...in that...area...

Payday 2: ...Something with the...lenses?

oohhboy
Jun 8, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
A MasterForcer is an armoured ambulance that can fight its way in, get people up and cover their escape. Plan B in a neat package. The number of times I have salvaged a team can't be counted.

That said, a good team has a wide variety of skills. Having everybody rolling in with one set of skills is like inbreeding, fosters weakness.

Thump!
Nov 25, 2007

Look, fat, here's the fact, Kulak!



Drewjitsu posted:

Car-4 is pretty much the most OP assault rifle right now. The Thanatos is the most overpowered Sniper rifle there is (:v:).


We did it (twice, with a few different crew members) with basically that loadout, but two guys with shaped charges instead of a guy with a saw.

Basically the plan is:
  • Immediately mask up and shoot to get into Plan B as soon as possible
  • Explosives guy #1 goes up to the roof, blows open the door and picks the lock of the fuse box (which you'll need later). He then sets up the zipline to the crane and starts moving Pig Floyd (aka Pork Side of the Moon)
  • Explosives guy #2 finds the server while dudes 3 and 4 get into position on the computer banks (one on the top floor, one on the bottom floor)
  • Find the remote computer, and activate it. Explosives guy #2 takes the zip line (or runs) up to the roof to wait for the digital timer to be restarted. Guy 3 or 4, who ever didn't find the computer, runs to the laser doors and waits for the hack to finish
  • Digital timer needs rebooting, Explosives Guy #2 does that, and fights his way back down to the laser doors while guy 3 and 4 hold off the cops.
  • At this point, Explosives guy #1 should be finishing up on the Pig. You should have a few seconds left on the digital timer (you did shave 30 seconds off with the asset, right?)
  • Explosives guy #2, 3 and 4 all grab a bag and a drill bit from the box and head through the laser doors. Explosives guy #1 follows as quickly as possible, and takes a drill bit on the way.
  • Make your way to the vault, set up the beast, and make sure that everyone knows who is in charge of repairing the drill when it breaks (like an ECM rotation).
  • When the vault opens, Explosives guys blow up a door each, if there aren't enough bags (of money) in a single vault.
  • Each person grabs a bag.
  • Signal the Bus escape (which you also bought, right?)
  • Get the gently caress out of dodge in less than 12 minutes.

In both circumstances, my crew finished it in 11:35. It took about 3 beeps on the computer and 3 drill repairs.

EDIT: Payday 2: Imagine 4 bags at the edge of a cliff...crime works the same way.

Payday 2: Pig Floyd (Pork Side of the Moon) is actually pretty good.

Crabtree
Oct 17, 2012

ARRRGH! Get that wallet out!
Everybody: Lowtax in a Pickle!
Pickle! Pickle! Pickle! Pickle!

Dinosaur Gum
You weren't a jerk, but there's a difference between honest and willful ignorance on the pub spectrum.

http://www.pd2skills.info/profile/v-100-1-7-1/#/profile/current-crab-2/

This is what I have so far and am planning to have both Aced Health and Ammo before I get basic Ironman, shotgun reload, and maybe some Aced ammo pouch. I'll also get basic ECM specialist for the armor speed since there's nothing wrong with going even faster in the thickest armor! But now I'll try out basic OVERKILL to maximize my already broken modded loco damage.

frank.club
Jan 15, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Thump! posted:

Payday 2: Pig Floyd (Pork Side of the Moon) is actually pretty good.

Shorten that to just pork side of the moon and my vote goes to it.

Magni
Apr 29, 2009

Dezztroy posted:

Also, it's kinda lovely that the 12-minute achievement depends so much on luck. If your drill breaks more than once, maybe twice, you're poo poo out of luck.

I think a good way way to do that one is speedily stealth the front including using the timelock glitch (just go up and use silenced guns to murder everything in the upper floors quickly), search for keycards while the timelock runs, then ECM-rush the back to open the vault without needing to bother with thermite or The Beast, then do a Bus Stop escape with just enough bags for the minimum.

Legit Businessman
Sep 2, 2007


Crabtree posted:

You weren't a jerk, but there's a difference between honest and willful ignorance on the pub spectrum.

http://www.pd2skills.info/profile/v-100-1-7-1/#/profile/current-crab-2/

This is what I have so far and am planning to have both Aced Health and Ammo before I get basic Ironman, shotgun reload, and maybe some Aced ammo pouch. I'll also get basic ECM specialist for the armor speed since there's nothing wrong with going even faster in the thickest armor! But now I'll try out basic OVERKILL to maximize my already broken modded loco damage.

A few things. You don't need to place points in a tier of skills to get the tier bonus. All you need is the tier UNLOCKED to get the bonus. So you need 18 (or 20 without infamy) points in the Ghost tree to get the tier bonus of "You gain +5 increased concealment. When wearing armor, your movement speed is 15% less affected."

As for your build, I've never really agreed with spending points on multiple deployables. While is it cool to have that flexibility, you are also wasting the 4 (or 12 if you don't bring med bags) points on any given mission day. You have aced inspire, but are missing aced combat medic, what's that about? Aced Leadership is also a wonderful skill.

You should also have aced Fast Hands in the Ghost tree long before you have Aced Cleaner. This is a bag throwing simulator after all. :colbert:

Brainamp
Sep 4, 2011

More Zen than Zenyatta

Drewjitsu posted:

Aced Leadership is also a wonderful skill.

Skills like leadership is useless if you play in a regular group with someone else with the skill. Like Alkydere in my group has aced bulletproof, so our other techforcer only needs the basic. Granted this relies on having a steady group, but still something to keep in mind when scrounging for points.

Brainamp fucked around with this message at 03:43 on Jun 19, 2014

Legit Businessman
Sep 2, 2007


Brainamp posted:

Acing skills like leadership is useless if you play in a regular group with someone else with the skill. Like Alkydere in my group has aced bulletproof, so our other techforcer only needs the basic.

Granted this relies on having a steady group, but still something to keep in mind when scrounging for points.

Aced Leadership also increases your personal stability bonus from 25% to 50%. In addition, aced affects all weapons, not just pistols. I think it's really good on a personal level, and the fact that other guys get the bonus is just icing on the cake.

Brainamp
Sep 4, 2011

More Zen than Zenyatta

Drewjitsu posted:

Aced Leadership also increases your personal stability bonus from 25% to 50%. In addition, aced affects all weapons, not just pistols. I think it's really good on a personal level, and the fact that other guys get the bonus is just icing on the cake.

I know, but I'm saying that if someone else in the group has the skill, you taking it does nothing. Crew wide skill don't stack, so it's a waste of points for two people to have it.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

Payday 2: Who Sold Us This Drill, the Cops?

UnknownMercenary
Nov 1, 2011

I LIKE IT
WAY WAY TOO LOUD


Drowning Rabbit posted:

I'm sad that there is no wolf love.

Payday 2: Alright, let's get rich

Wolf shouting "CLOAKER!" and variations of never stops being funny.

Drewjitsu posted:

As for your build, I've never really agreed with spending points on multiple deployables. While is it cool to have that flexibility, you are also wasting the 4 (or 12 if you don't bring med bags) points on any given mission day. You have aced inspire, but are missing aced combat medic, what's that about? Aced Leadership is also a wonderful skill.

You should also have aced Fast Hands in the Ghost tree long before you have Aced Cleaner. This is a bag throwing simulator after all. :colbert:

I think I got to the late 40s/early 50s or so before dipping into the Ghost tree.

Only like two days ago I also hosed up some pub Ukranian Job by standing next to some street cops. It's me, I am the pubbie.

The Jumpoff
May 4, 2011
Your dad's in the Russian Mafia, that's the jumpoff!
Payday 2: 4 Men and a Bank Job

Alternatively,

Payday 2: These $10 sunglasses mean I'm better than you.

Crabtree
Oct 17, 2012

ARRRGH! Get that wallet out!
Everybody: Lowtax in a Pickle!
Pickle! Pickle! Pickle! Pickle!

Dinosaur Gum

Drewjitsu posted:

A few things. You don't need to place points in a tier of skills to get the tier bonus. All you need is the tier UNLOCKED to get the bonus. So you need 18 (or 20 without infamy) points in the Ghost tree to get the tier bonus of "You gain +5 increased concealment. When wearing armor, your movement speed is 15% less affected."

As for your build, I've never really agreed with spending points on multiple deployables. While is it cool to have that flexibility, you are also wasting the 4 (or 12 if you don't bring med bags) points on any given mission day. You have aced inspire, but are missing aced combat medic, what's that about? Aced Leadership is also a wonderful skill.

You should also have aced Fast Hands in the Ghost tree long before you have Aced Cleaner. This is a bag throwing simulator after all. :colbert:

What else should I pick in the Enforcer tree to get up those 5 points before the next tier unlocks? I'm only using Aced Fast Learner because I'm V-74 and need that XP. :negative: When I hit 100 I was thinking about trading that for Combat Medic as I already have Aced Inside Man.

As for the Ghost, I'm planning on Fast Hands, basic inconspicuous for the ability to highlight in casing and Aced Shinobi. I'm not the best a stealth but being an extra 2 bags and silenced kills helps the true ghosts manage their actions without slowing down.

Crabtree fucked around with this message at 04:23 on Jun 19, 2014

Bootcha
Nov 13, 2012

Truly, the pinnacle of goaltending
Grimey Drawer
Payday 2: Shut up, Bain.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.

Bootcha posted:

Payday 2: Shut up, Bain.

We have a winner. If not this, Hold F to post.

E-Tank
Aug 4, 2011

Acquire Currency! posted:

If any one of you guys can get me a video or a .gif of Floyd crushing a dozer I will do something special for you. Like buy some payday 2 dlc for you.

E: I'm serious I want to see that

I have the video recorded, I just have to figure out why the gently caress Windows Movie Maker won't open an MP4 file as anything but audio. :smith:

Skoll
Jul 26, 2013

Oh You'll Love My Toxic Love
Grimey Drawer

Bootcha posted:

Payday 2: Shut up, Bain.

Payday 2: Wow, What a Flat.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

Payday 2: That slimy ballbag McKendrick

Tulip
Jun 3, 2008

yeah thats pretty good


I've managed to get a 37D 8A 22S 23C AK and a 29 C Loco and can run those with a Flak Jacket at 43 detection, it's fantastic for half-stealth missions, such as big bank. Which is a really goddamn fun map.

Drewjitsu posted:


You might be wondering why there's no Aced Iron Man in any of those builds. Due to the Thanatos existing, that skill is less good, and frees up points to spend on other skills.

I don't THINK i'm going crazy, i think i'm really seeing something, but sometime after the sniperpack came out, Aced Iron man seemed to get a small nerf where it no longer stuns shields for as long by about a quarter second, which is about the time gap you need to actually get a shot in, making Aced Iron Man pretty questionable in its utility.

Crabtree posted:

You weren't a jerk, but there's a difference between honest and willful ignorance on the pub spectrum.

http://www.pd2skills.info/profile/v-100-1-7-1/#/profile/current-crab-2/

This is what I have so far and am planning to have both Aced Health and Ammo before I get basic

Ironman, shotgun reload, and maybe some Aced ammo pouch. I'll also get basic ECM specialist for the armor speed since there's nothing wrong with going even faster in the thickest armor! But now I'll try out basic OVERKILL to maximize my already broken modded loco damage.

Ace Stun Resistance and Basic Shotgun CQB, then either ace Ammo Spec or get base Fully Loaded & Saw. I say the FL+Saw, but i'm not a DWBro and i don't know if Saw loadouts are worthless or not.

Acquire Currency! posted:


Payday 2: No One Cared Until I Put On My Anime Mask


There are a lot of awesome suggestions, and a lot of ones that probably describe the game more accurately, but this is truly in the spirit of these forums, especially if we can get a shot with four people with Kawaii masks, or a dude with a kawaii mask loco-launching a civilian, will probably make the most powerful impression (though maybe set them up for disappointment when they never get cute).

That or the 4 bags on a cliff.

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!

Tulip posted:

That or the 4 bags on a cliff.
Imagine four bags on the edge of a cliff, one falls off and the pubbies ragequit

Coolguye
Jul 6, 2011

Required by his programming!
I don't know what it is, but the second half of big bank that makes me really aggressive. Normally I roll with a good mixture of audacity and cautiousness, but the second half of Big Bank, while waiting for The Beast to do its work, I tend to go completely apeshit on the cops. The best thing I can figure is that the first time I played it I got hit by Tazers in that section like a thousand times and it really started to annoy the hell out of me, but now it's every time I get back there, I start crowing for the blood of all SWATs.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene



The Bug Bank.

e:

FAUXTON fucked around with this message at 07:09 on Jun 19, 2014

Tulip
Jun 3, 2008

yeah thats pretty good


The four balls example is actually exactly how the coke on Watchdogs Day 2 works.

Legit Businessman
Sep 2, 2007


Crabtree posted:

What else should I pick in the Enforcer tree to get up those 5 points before the next tier unlocks? I'm only using Aced Fast Learner because I'm V-74 and need that XP. :negative: When I hit 100 I was thinking about trading that for Combat Medic as I already have Aced Inside Man.

As for the Ghost, I'm planning on Fast Hands, basic inconspicuous for the ability to highlight in casing and Aced Shinobi. I'm not the best a stealth but being an extra 2 bags and silenced kills helps the true ghosts manage their actions without slowing down.

Keeping your semi-stealth build going, you should try the following:
http://goo.gl/lG2PCV

Please get fast hands asap. You are doing a disservice to your fellow heisters by not having this skill. :cry:

Prokhor Zakharov
Dec 31, 2008


This is me as I make another great post


Good luck with your depression!
Payday 2: gunporn, anime masks, and screaming swedes

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

Prokhor Zakharov posted:

Payday 2: gunporn, anime masks, and more bags then a grocery store

More bags than West Palm Beach/Scottsdale/Palm Springs

Alkydere
Jun 7, 2010
Capitol: A building or complex of buildings in which any legislature meets.
Capital: A city designated as a legislative seat by the government or some other authority, often the city in which the government is located; otherwise the most important city within a country or a subdivision of it.



Payday 2: Wooo! I got me a Dozer!

I love all of Wolf's lines because it's so great to hear a non-American accent. Also, as I'm almost always the host when I play with my buddies, it means I get Wolf all the time.

Otherwise, I'm a fan of Pork Side of the Moon

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

The cloaker above the vault was making the sound of a television tuned to a dead channel.

Tulip
Jun 3, 2008

yeah thats pretty good


Payday 2: The Search for More Bags

Payday 2: Night on Bag Mountain

Payday 2 and the Temple of Elemental Cops

Payday 2: Copnarok/Copocalypse/Copmageddon


Honestly Cop/Bag in all of those is pretty interchangeable.

e:^^^^ there's some poo poo at my lil bro's work that makes the same sound as cloakers, it really pisses him off.

oohhboy
Jun 8, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Payday 2: A bag too far

Payday 2: A fist full of Bags

Payday 2: No bags, no service

Payday 2: U-haul

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

Draw a Dick, Burgle the Bank, Cap the Cops, Place the Pig, Build the Beast, Vanquish the Vault.

Fring Family Dentistry

FAUXTON fucked around with this message at 07:39 on Jun 19, 2014

Wallrod
Sep 27, 2004
Stupid Baby Picture
Our group has been having a few tries at stealthing Big Bank, and it was going alright, but sometimes payday just wants to punish you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpPHIdaHUbA

Mendrian
Jan 6, 2013

Payday 2: We need to do the cooking ourselves.

Shockeh
Feb 24, 2009

Now be a dear and
fuck the fuck off.
Do Big Bank cameras work differently again to the others? At first I thought they worked like Framing Frame ones, where shooting them triggers the alarm, then I realised they don't if they haven't alerted beforehand. So now we have five possible setups, I think...

1. Camera can be shot after !, won't alarm. (Default)
2. Camera can't be shot after !, will alarm (Big Bank)
3. Camera can be shot as long as camera operator is down. (Standard Jewellry Store / Bank cameras / Framing Frame Day 1)
4. Camera can be shot, but will alarm if shot. (Framing Frame Day 3)
5. Camera cannot be damaged at all. (Deathwish Cameras, mostly))

Am I understanding that right?

Alkydere
Jun 7, 2010
Capitol: A building or complex of buildings in which any legislature meets.
Capital: A city designated as a legislative seat by the government or some other authority, often the city in which the government is located; otherwise the most important city within a country or a subdivision of it.



Shockeh posted:

Do Big Bank cameras work differently again to the others? At first I thought they worked like Framing Frame ones, where shooting them triggers the alarm, then I realised they don't if they haven't alerted beforehand. So now we have five possible setups, I think...

1. Camera can be shot after !, won't alarm. (Default)
2. Camera can't be shot after !, will alarm (Big Bank)
3. Camera can be shot as long as camera operator is down. (Standard Jewellry Store / Bank cameras / Framing Frame Day 1)
4. Camera can be shot, but will alarm if shot. (Framing Frame Day 3)
5. Camera cannot be damaged at all. (Deathwish Cameras, mostly))

Am I understanding that right?

Cameras basically work on rule 3. They can be shot at any time and if there's still an operator then the nearest security guard will be called over to check them (the camera itself will not set off an alarm). Civilians are completely blind to the state of cameras. So in Big Bank you can safely kill all the cameras in an area as long as all guards in an area are dead (there's a set of lobby guards and a set of bank interior guards, they don't mix). Guards and police called in by a suspicious Gensec call operator can and will see broken cameras though. Thankfully the police that are called in do not have pagers.

Tulip
Jun 3, 2008

yeah thats pretty good


FF cameras don't cause alerts unless spotted by guards. It's Big Oil 1 cameras that alert instantly, unless/until you kill the operator. To my knowledge once a camera has !, it's all over, for all maps.

So that gives me 3 cameras:

1. Big Oil Cameras (the 'exception')
2. Normal Cameras
3. Titan Cameras

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Domattee
Mar 5, 2012

Wallrod posted:

Our group has been having a few tries at stealthing Big Bank, and it was going alright, but sometimes payday just wants to punish you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpPHIdaHUbA

Should've dealt with the guards before starting the timelock :colbert:

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