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So of the people declaring this game dead, how many of you have actually played post-patch?
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xzzy posted:Really? They took out spies, soldiers, and ubers? Where are those patch notes? And Engies are still piss-easy to take out with sticky bombs. It's not like Demo is suddenly unplayably useless trash. It's all kneejerk hyperbole. I really wish they'd rethink Demoknight though. Make the shields primaries so you can stickyjump off charges and you won't be uselessly gimped in order to play it. Maybe make the Claidheamh Mor have an effect that would be useful even if you aren't using a shield. No other class has weapons that are completely useless if not used in tandem with other specific weapons but 90% of Demoman's unlocks require you to be using another unlock in order to use them.
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Jun 19, 2014 21:30
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nerdbot posted:And Engies are still piss-easy to take out with sticky bombs. What? That's not true. Millions of angry nerds all over the internet have made it perfectly clear the demoman is dead and cannot kill anything. They are the civilian.
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Jun 19, 2014 21:34
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I don't think 6s team composition will change very much, since mobility and the ability to spam are still a big factor. Who knows though!
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Jun 19, 2014 21:34
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cock hero flux posted:Yeah, Robin's come out and said that Soldier is his favourite class and the he loves demoknights. And people act surprised when every update caters to those two things to the exclusion of anything else. In the charity events he would always play GL/SL/HZ, his special flaming one. And Demo was the best class. Now he mains Soldier and it's hands down the best class. Hrm.
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Jun 19, 2014 21:35
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I'm actually seeing demomen use the pipe launcher now, to great effect. Heavies can still do well but have to be wary of ambushes. Flying soldiers and demomen get great shots on things but are easy targets. Spies and ubercharges have a slightly more important role in helping take out sentry nests. Puff & sting pyros are less prevalent on pub servers now. Truly this game has been ruined forever by these changes.
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Jun 19, 2014 21:41
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The best thing about this update is that it reminds me of many many earlier tf2 threads where something would change and youd have cries that the game is ruined.
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Jun 19, 2014 21:44
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I think if Valve were to balance the game around a competitive format it wouldn't be 6s. I personally enjoy watching 6s more, but Highlander is way easier for Valve to promote. If they ever cared to actually make TF2 a competitive game.
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Jun 19, 2014 21:46
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xzzy posted:Really? They took out spies, soldiers, and ubers? Where are those patch notes? Go in with uber, by the time your stickies have ramped-up, they've been shortcircuited and airblasted, and you've been knocked-back into the next room. It now takes four stickes to take out a level 1 sentry.
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Jun 19, 2014 21:47
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Nativity In Black posted:If they ever cared to actually make TF2 a competitive game. Valve should do whatever they want, and let the competitive players make the game competitive. Comp players are better at it anyways. Halo was ruined for casual players by chasing the MLG carrot, I'd hate to see that happen to TF2.
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Jun 19, 2014 21:49
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Nativity In Black posted:I think if Valve were to balance the game around a competitive format it wouldn't be 6s. What other competitive game has teams that big?
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Jun 19, 2014 21:50
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pisshead posted:Go in with uber, by the time your stickies have ramped-up, they've been shortcircuited and airblasted, and you've been knocked-back into the next room. It now takes four stickes to take out a level 1 sentry. So you're saying that they wouldn't be airblasted or shortcircuited before that ramp-up? I don't think so....
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Jun 19, 2014 21:52
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pisshead posted:Go in with uber, by the time your stickies have ramped-up, they've been shortcircuited and airblasted, and you've been knocked-back into the next room. It now takes four stickes to take out a level 1 sentry. All those extra mouse clicks, the game is surely ruined. 
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Jun 19, 2014 21:55
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pisshead posted:Go in with uber, by the time your stickies have ramped-up, they've been shortcircuited and airblasted, and you've been knocked-back into the next room. It now takes four stickes to take out a level 1 sentry. If the sentry had a short circuit and Pyro guarding it you weren't taking it out with just an Uber anyway. It's only 4 stickies if you airburst them, waiting two seconds doesn't take that long against immobile sentries. Really, the only issue I actually see with this change is that Wrangler engineers are going to be more difficult to deal with since they can also just fire rockets at the ground to knock the stickies away.
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Jun 19, 2014 21:55
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Trabisnikof posted:So you're saying that they wouldn't be airblasted or shortcircuited before that ramp-up? I don't think so.... You used to be able to detonate outside both the Pyro's airblast and the Short Circut. You'd be doing like, 50 a time, but it would tie up the Engineer to his Sentry and did risk free damage to Pyros abet slowly. Now it's 25 and nowhere near as disruption resistant.
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Jun 19, 2014 22:00
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Reiley posted:If a Pyro tries to puff and sting you with your parachute on just hit spacebar in the air and leave, the burning will make you go up and away from there. Yes. Do this. Everyone take Reiley's advice! so I can reserve shoot and/or critflare you to death
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Jun 19, 2014 22:05
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CoolCab posted:You used to be able to detonate outside both the Pyro's airblast and the Short Circut. You'd be doing like, 50 a time, but it would tie up the Engineer to his Sentry and did risk free damage to Pyros abet slowly. Now it's 25 and nowhere near as disruption resistant. If you're air deting outside of the airblast radius you're also not going to kill the engineer before the uber is up if they have a dispenser and you won't kill the gun if they're wrenching.
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Jun 19, 2014 22:07
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DoctorWhat posted:Yes. Do this. Everyone take Reiley's advice! Yeah, turning yourself into a big flaming pinata is a great idea for your long term survival.
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Jun 19, 2014 22:08
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CoolCab posted:You used to be able to detonate outside both the Pyro's airblast and the Short Circut. You'd be doing like, 50 a time, but it would tie up the Engineer to his Sentry and did risk free damage to Pyros abet slowly. Now it's 25 and nowhere near as disruption resistant.
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Jun 19, 2014 22:09
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Quick fix med doesn't get a parachute healing a base jumper. Fix this valve tia
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Jun 19, 2014 22:16
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Also for context, if you're shooting 4 stickies into a sentry nest, by the time the last sticky is down the first one is at full damage. Then its only another .2 seconds till the second sticky is at full damage. This nerf hits holding down m2 more than anything really.
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Jun 19, 2014 22:19
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people saying that demo's can't kill sentries this update have probably not played demo much this update. sentry killing is like the one thing totally unaffected, mostly it's just harder to keep scouts off you.
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Jun 19, 2014 22:25
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The new Scattergun one-shots light classes from behind. It nearly one-shots Medics, it does 141 damage on a full back meatshot and the back detection looks like its more backstab than backburner.
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Jun 19, 2014 22:32
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IronicDongz posted:people saying that demo's can't kill sentries this update have probably not played demo much this update. sentry killing is like the one thing totally unaffected, mostly it's just harder to keep scouts off you. Exactly. And now I have to think ahead when I get ambushed by a pyro and not just shoot stickies at my feet.
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Jun 19, 2014 22:34
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Has anyone opened one of the summer gift box things from the sale? One of them says it has 1 guaranteed 'special summer item' and it's unclear what that item set might be. I'm guessing from the latest update, but they didn't exactly call this a summer update.
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Jun 19, 2014 22:46
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Are the strange bread weapons looking like they'll probably be worth anything? Because the RNG gods decided to reward me for mashing three robo-hats together with a strange bread sapper despite me not playing Spy much.
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Jun 19, 2014 22:49
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I imagine they'll be around festive prices, so probably a few keys once the heat goes down. I'd try selling now while they're rare and the call for them is hot. RNG also smiled on me because I ended being given a half-zatoichi kit just in time to go with my current demoknighting binge. I hope the professional kit for the Tide turner comes out soon, I want one really bad.
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Jun 19, 2014 22:53
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Kelp Plankton posted:Has anyone opened one of the summer gift box things from the sale? One of them says it has 1 guaranteed 'special summer item' and it's unclear what that item set might be. I'm guessing from the latest update, but they didn't exactly call this a summer update. I just did and it got me a Backpack Expander, Description Tag and Claidheamh Mor.
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Jun 19, 2014 23:16
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Zero! posted:Several of the top ESEA-Invite 6s teams were scrimming last night and the sticky nerf had a pretty huge difference in their games. The demoman, usually near topping the damage stats, was last or second last (not counting medic) in over half of the scrims, with significantly less frags than you'd expect too. One of them ended up running the Scottish Resistance full time to try to make up the difference. Top scouts and soldiers are a lot more dangerous now. I imagine that the sticky launcher will still be the most popular choice for comp demomen, but will mainly be used for mobility with nades being used for DPS. I wonder how the B.A.S.E Jumper will affect the competitive scene. Reiley posted:If a Pyro tries to puff and sting you with your parachute on just hit spacebar in the air and leave, the burning will make you go up and away from there. Come take a ride on my beautiful balloooooooooon...
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Jun 19, 2014 23:20
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Trabisnikof posted:Also for context, if you're shooting 4 stickies into a sentry nest, by the time the last sticky is down the first one is at full damage. Then its only another .2 seconds till the second sticky is at full damage. I haven't had a chance to play yet since the update, but this is my feeling also. If you're stickying a sentry nest, unless it's got a pybro or short-circut, laying several successive stickies was always better than M2'ing it. I've been taking out more sentry nests with the grenade launcher recently anyway and saving the stickies for after. It'll be a lot less fun to play in pubs and just wreck everyone's poo poo with demo, but it's still useful. I was getting bored anyway as I would just switch to demo if my team was poo poo. And playing primarily on pub Valve servers, I was playing Demo a LOT. This will probably lead to me playing more scout and pyro without that nagging feeling that I'm gimping my team by not being a demo.
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Jun 19, 2014 23:32
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I like the Axetinguisher nerf. Why? Because it allows Pyros to use another melee weapon. Since its release, the Axetinguisher+Flare Gun+Degreaser has literally been the "if you don't pyro like this, you're poo poo" loadout - the synergy was too good. Now, there's less of a feeling of "if I don't use X weapon, I won't be good enough" - I think this change will show players using Powerjack, Homewrecker, Rake, and the other Pyro melee weapons. I felt the same way after the Equalizer split, and I felt the same way after Valve stopped Heavys from throwing a sandvich for themselves to heal up.
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Jun 19, 2014 23:46
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Here's a fun trick with the TT: charge away from someone, and then immediately whip around and charge back into their face on the same charge. Catches pyros by surprise, most of them can't airblast in time.
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Jun 19, 2014 23:46
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The parachute is hilarious in the Smash Bros mod.
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Jun 19, 2014 23:47
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Spacedad posted:
I want MY spy to be able to use the B.A.S.E. jumper as well for some drop in stabbings. As for the SL nerf, didn't someone say the damage ramp up does NOT include buildings? So basically you can still blow the poo poo up out of engy nests, you just have to either switch to the pill launcher or, god forbid, rely on teammates to kill off the engy?
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Jun 19, 2014 23:56
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due to tits.
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Svdl posted:Ninja scout, too! Goes great with one of the new taunts. Also, a few random thoughts about the update since my initial shock from getting an unusual taunt has worn off:
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Jun 19, 2014 23:56
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Tamayachi posted:
It includes buildings, from what I've read. IE, the same 2 second penalty to damage applies to buildings too.
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Jun 20, 2014 00:04
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 100 airborne kills mark!  Obviously not all on parachutes(especially since a lot of the time they get sent flying with like 10~ health left), but enough of them that I feel happy about it.
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Jun 20, 2014 00:05
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Where are all these conga lines taking place, private servers? I've been on different Valve servers all afternoon and haven't seen one.
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Jun 20, 2014 00:14
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J-Pak posted:Where are all these conga lines taking place, private servers? I've been on different Valve servers all afternoon and haven't seen one. It only takes one person with the taunt to get the whole server conga lining. Also people on Valve servers rarely have hats/cosmetic things in general unless they're a pubstomper.
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Jun 20, 2014 00:17
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I was in a game of Fastlane in which an Gunslinger Engineer asked his teammates to kill me because I wouldn't stop shooting rockets at him and his minisentries. I guess he wanted to type it out to his team but typed it out on global which made it even funnier. Anyway, nerf the Soldier, buff the Gunslinger. (This was a Valve server and everybody was awful  )
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