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You mean, as a job/module? They tried a Robocop module before. Turns out, if you don't like how questionable Security can be when it comes to doing their job, you are going to hate what happens when you give said Security solid metal bodies. Borgs can be emagged which removes their laws, but then you're at the mercy of that cyborg's personal mental state, and there's every chance they will rampage, or go off to settle their own grudges, or just not care and go back to what they were doing.
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Iretep posted:I think on goonstation only way to get seperate laws is to get emaged.
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TheDarkFlame posted:You mean, as a job/module? They tried a Robocop module before. Turns out, if you don't like how questionable Security can be when it comes to doing their job, you are going to hate what happens when you give said Security solid metal bodies. Oh, that does sound kind of problematic. I guess I'll just have to settle for cutting off a security volunteer's limbs and replacing them with robot parts.
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Jun 28, 2014 10:41
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Isaacs Alter Ego posted:Oh, that does sound kind of problematic. I guess I'll just have to settle for cutting off a security volunteer's limbs and replacing them with robot parts. I once had a round where QM was overful so I wandered off and robotics equipped me with treads, an arm, and a chainsaw arm. I wanted to get a Robocop change from the HoP but never found him after that. That chainsaw arm was cool as heck but not being able to pick things up with it killed me in the end when my normal arm blew off. Relatedly, sometimes I get arrogant and don't equip interals when I should wanting to carry around a backpack AND utility belt. Rounds like that tell me that I am risking it all.
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Friendly request to Scientists: can you please stop spawning as Changelings? This has to be, no joke, the sixth time this week I've walked into the Toxins Gas Storage to fill up my oxygen tank - literally the very last thing I do before I leave the station - only to get accosted and killed by a 'Ling within the first two minutes of the round. Dying right when the round begins is not fun, and dying right before freedom to do gently caress all is even less so. Thank you~ EDIT: Apparently the most recent 'Ling who killed me in this manner got bolted into Toxins after a failed rampage attempt much later into the round. He then proceeded to spend the following half hour getting shocked into crit and burning all of his DNA on Regenerative Stasis. HOLY poo poo THE KARMA I'M LAUGHING TOO HARD HELP SL the Pyro fucked around with this message at 11:58 on Jun 28, 2014 |
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Jun 28, 2014 11:18
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SL the Pyro posted:Friendly request to Scientists: can you please stop spawning as Changelings? This has to be, no joke, the sixth time this week I've walked into the Toxins Gas Storage to fill up my oxygen tank - literally the very last thing I do before I leave the station - only to get accosted and killed by a 'Ling within the first two minutes of the round. Dying right when the round begins is not fun, and dying right before freedom to do gently caress all is even less so. Thank you~ That was me. I haven't played for a while so I don't really know exactly how the game works any more that well and there were no mentors on to help me. Did I break a rule by killing you? I really didn't mean to, I was just doing what I thought my job was as a changeling. I had no real idea how to get out, the only way I remember to break out of places is to go through the doors or windows and since those were both shocked I kinda had to brute force it.
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SL the Pyro posted:This has to be, no joke, the sixth time this week I've walked into the Toxins Gas Storage to fill up my oxygen tank - literally the very last thing I do before I leave the station Are the stock pressures on Air/02 gas tanks not enough? You can lower the pressure and they last a pretty long time. Edit: Unrelated but is there a good way to attack monsters as a borg? I know you can't at all as an AI shell (I felt so useless on the ice moon I was a scout with a light and couldn't help any humans being mauled.) Comic fucked around with this message at 12:04 on Jun 28, 2014 |
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Isaacs Alter Ego posted:That was me. I haven't played for a while so I don't really know exactly how the game works any more that well and there were no mentors on to help me. Did I break a rule by killing you? I really didn't mean to, I was just doing what I thought my job was as a changeling. I had no real idea how to get out, the only way I remember to break out of places is to go through the doors or windows and since those were both shocked I kinda had to brute force it. The thing is that the AI didn't break any rules by hounding you either. The situation is this: once you do something changeling-y that shows you aren't human and the AI witnesses it (which it did), you are then a "confirmed non-human enemy" which means he doesn't owe poo poo to you and is allowed to harass you as much as he wants, to lethal extents if he feels like it - this applies to Cyborgs too. The AI is literally the changeling's worst enemy, which is why dealing with the AI (either by killing it, or by subverting it with a well-written law or two) is usually a 'ling's first major goal. SL the Pyro fucked around with this message at 12:10 on Jun 28, 2014 |
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Comic posted:Edit: Unrelated but is there a good way to attack monsters as a borg? I know you can't at all as an AI shell (I felt so useless on the ice moon I was a scout with a light and couldn't help any humans being mauled.)
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Jun 28, 2014 12:39
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Time for a write-up!quote:Download My Mixtape To K.O.R.A.N.G.U.L.O.S.: whoever you are, play AI more often. You do an amazing job.
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Jun 28, 2014 12:46
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SL the Pyro posted:Time for a write-up! Like I said before, I was the ling in this situation, and yeah, I had a pretty embarrassing show. I honestly can't remember most of the systems at work in SS13 so I was mostly just winging it, and the AI constantly calling me retarded and autistic just really bothered me when I was just trying to figure out what to do. To make matters worse apparently someone had removed its Law 2, which I didn't think was possible, so when other people ordered him to do stuff he was ignoring it, which made me think the guy was just loving with me and was breaking the rules just to be a dick, so i got pretty frustrated. Also, the next round after, the AI from the 'ling round spawned as a captain traitor and immediately broke into the upload and singled me out as non-human, which kinda struck me as a poo poo thing to do. I guess I'll probably stay away from SS13 for a while again.
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Jun 28, 2014 12:55
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The fourth law probably had an override. And what happened the round after sounds metagamey as gently caress.
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Isaacs Alter Ego posted:made me think the guy was just loving with me and was breaking the rules just to be a dick, so i got pretty frustrated. I think these are the kinds of things you should probably adminhelp. Nothing will happen if they're not in the wrong, but if they are it'll get brought to an admin's attention. Just don't go crazy with adminhelping just cause an antag killed you.
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Jun 28, 2014 14:09
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Isn't Toxins where you make bombs? That seems an obvious approach to escaping.
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Comic posted:I think these are the kinds of things you should probably adminhelp. Nothing will happen if they're not in the wrong, but if they are it'll get brought to an admin's attention. Just don't go crazy with adminhelping just cause an antag killed you. Uploading an AI law singling someone out seems like a really easy way to avoid being adminhelped as they probably don't know it's there and can't tell the result from a just plain rogue AI. Sounds like the AI did the right thing (you were a changeling after all) but with totally the wrong attitude. Sorry 
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Jun 28, 2014 14:17
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So instead of encouraging or allowing players to duke it out with the changling in possibly a fun chase scene, the AI decided to power trip and lock a player up. Boy talk about encouraging fun what an awesome AI.
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Jun 28, 2014 14:23
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Vanilla Mint Ice posted:So instead of encouraging or allowing players to duke it out with the changling in possibly a fun chase scene, the AI decided to power trip and lock a player up. Boy talk about encouraging fun what an awesome AI. If a Changeling's dumb enough to brazenly make a kill in an easily-locked location without dealing with the AI or preparing beforehand, they deserve what they get.
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Jun 28, 2014 14:28
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Download my mixtape  *brigs you for twenty minutes*
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SL the Pyro posted:To K.O.R.A.N.G.U.L.O.S.: whoever you are, play AI more often. You do an amazing job. Alternatively, don't, because you sound like an rear end in a top hat.
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Maybe it's the lack of coffee or my sense of humor but I'm still trying to figure out what the gently caress was meant by "Download my mixtape". Also can we not have the AI shitler/hero fight again?
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My last traitor round I was super mad to find I'd spawned as a medic and my target was the barman. Turns out he was a) also a traitor and b) spent 40 mins afk in a cupboard. No wonder he was never at the bar. Chem were super territorial and got angry with me and almost killed me with my own CF3 spray. I guess I could have adminhelped that, but it was more fun to heal, come back, lure the culprit out of chem so he was alone, and whelp him to death with my saber. At the shuttle I finally found out my target was also a traitor. We radcrossbowed each other and both lost. Two weeks in and I love this game.
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CountButtula posted:Chem were super territorial and got angry with me and almost killed me with my own CF3 spray. I guess I could have adminhelped that, but it was more fun to heal, come back, lure the culprit out of chem so he was alone, and whelp him to death with my saber. If they caught you with a spraybottle of CF3 and knew what it was, it's not entirely wrong of them to assume you're out to kill people with it.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:If they caught you with a spraybottle of CF3 and knew what it was, it's not entirely wrong of them to assume you're out to kill people with it. He promised to spray anyone coming into chem. I'm not mad though, I cut off his head. Whatever else he hit me with the first time I wouldn't leave chem was really impressive though. Was left with a permanent tremor even after the brain damage was cured.
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SL the Pyro posted:To K.O.R.A.N.G.U.L.O.S.: whoever you are, play AI more often. You do an amazing job. SS13 Wiki posted:The AI, through its camera network, is in a unique position to monitor the going-ons of the station. Often the AI will be the first witness to a crime or other wrong-doing. While you should alert the crew to anything posing a potential harm to them, AIs are encouraged to do so in a manner that does not immediately ruin an antagonist's round. As an example, instead of instantly reporting that John Q. Staff Assistant is breaking into EVA, you could offer a vague alert of trespass and not present details until someone specifically asks for them. If your laws are changed, it is also poor form to immediately scream out the change and the identity of the one who changed them. There is a good deal of gray area here, but bear in mind that a lovely AI can make rounds very boring for everyone. Neddy Seagoon posted:If they caught you with a spraybottle of CF3 and knew what it was, it's not entirely wrong of them to assume you're out to kill people with it. Holepunchio fucked around with this message at 20:34 on Jun 28, 2014 |
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Razage posted:How strictly should Law 2 be adhered to when playing as an AI? I mean, opening doors and tracking people is a given. However, if someone tells you to shut up, does that mean you have to not talk for the rest of the round unless someone higher in command is nice enough to reverse it? Unless they say "I order you to shut up forever", just cutting out what annoying poo poo you're doing is more than enough (and even then, you can demand a head's approval for an order of that magnitude). SL the Pyro posted:Friendly request to Scientists: can you please stop spawning as Changelings? This has to be, no joke, the sixth time this week I've walked into the Toxins Gas Storage to fill up my oxygen tank - literally the very last thing I do before I leave the station - only to get accosted and killed by a 'Ling within the first two minutes of the round. Dying right when the round begins is not fun, and dying right before freedom to do gently caress all is even less so. Thank you~ Try making the oxygen tank your first action, not your last, or maybe fill up from a different oxygen tank like the ones in Medbay or EVA. I always, always make sure I'm ready to either fight or run before I step into Toxins, because since the only real use for it is crimes, there's a pretty good chance that there's going to be a criminal in there. Neddy Seagoon posted:If a Changeling's dumb enough to brazenly make a kill in an easily-locked location without dealing with the AI or preparing beforehand, they deserve what they get. This is on par with "If a changeling's dumb enough to brazenly murder someone in Maintenance without first dealing with the HoS, the Detective, and anyone else who manages to get their hands on thermals, they deserve what they get". It's not like there's any real decent place to hide for a scientist with just Science access anyway, and I'm sure an AI like that would have bolted down their upload and screamed bloody murder if they saw a scientist breaking in anyway. It's not the AI's job to play supercop and bolt down antags unless they're ordered to by the crew or the antag is being incredibly blatant about it.
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Look, let's be real here. If you're stupid enough to walk into a place six rounds in a row and die in the exact same way each time, you deserve whatever's coming to you.
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Main Paineframe posted:This is on par with "If a changeling's dumb enough to brazenly murder someone in Maintenance without first dealing with the HoS, the Detective, and anyone else who manages to get their hands on thermals, they deserve what they get". It's not like there's any real decent place to hide for a scientist with just Science access anyway, and I'm sure an AI like that would have bolted down their upload and screamed bloody murder if they saw a scientist breaking in anyway. It's not the AI's job to play supercop and bolt down antags unless they're ordered to by the crew or the antag is being incredibly blatant about it. No it's not, it only takes one pair of wirecutters to shut the AI out of an area completely and prevent them from bothering you. It's not comparable at all to locking down all of the thermals and guns, it's false equivalencies being made like this that derails the thread into a big stupid slapfight over whether or not someone's playstyle is shitler or not. Maybe you should work on your analogies. However, it is on par with "If a traitor is stupid enough to mix Sarin in the middle of chem they deserve everything they get.", the AI(and players) should give antags a little bit of leeway in order to let more chaos inject itself into the round. That said, there's also nothing wrong with two players locked in intense combat and if the changeling had no problem with it then it's not your place to tell anyone how to play hth
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bathroomrage posted:No it's not, it only takes one pair of wirecutters to shut the AI out of an area completely and prevent them from bothering you. It's not comparable at all to locking down all of the thermals and guns, it's false equivalencies being made like this that derails the thread into a big stupid slapfight over whether or not someone's playstyle is shitler or not. Maybe you should work on your analogies. Having been a changeling who got caught by a supercop AI who proceeded to stalk me and do everything they could to hinder me for the entire rest of the round, it's really loving annoying. Luckily, I wasn't in a place that was easy to lock down (I was hurriedly finishing off another ling who had attacked me in crew quarters, so I didn't have the luxury of carefully preparing my location), but even running to the observatory to change outfits, IDs, and identities wasn't enough to stop the AI from locking down half the station in order to cut off "suspicious" individuals and yelling out the location of anyone who hid in a locker, wore a piece of clothing that didn't belong to their class, and so on.
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Captain Bravo posted:Look, let's be real here. If you're stupid enough to walk into a place six rounds in a row and die in the exact same way each time, you deserve whatever's coming to you. You'd think after the 5th time you'd walked alone into the dank storage warehouse and been eaten by a monster you'd think to start using the buddy system.
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Main Paineframe posted:Having been a changeling who got caught by a supercop AI who proceeded to stalk me and do everything they could to hinder me for the entire rest of the round, it's really loving annoying. Luckily, I wasn't in a place that was easy to lock down (I was hurriedly finishing off another ling who had attacked me in crew quarters, so I didn't have the luxury of carefully preparing my location), but even running to the observatory to change outfits, IDs, and identities wasn't enough to stop the AI from locking down half the station in order to cut off "suspicious" individuals and yelling out the location of anyone who hid in a locker, wore a piece of clothing that didn't belong to their class, and so on. Gee, it's almost like we need a check for these sorts of things, I don't know, some kind of... Admin Help call, perhaps? I wasn't even arguing with you, I agree, AIs and players in general need to be more lenient on traitors. It doesn't help to go making it an argument about playstyle, though. Adminhelp the bad players and the playstyle will die out once it gets smacked down often enough.
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cock hero flux posted:You'd think after the 5th time you'd walked alone into the dank storage warehouse and been eaten by a monster you'd think to start using the buddy system. This is SS13, the moment you start using the buddy system the buddy you choose is guaranteed by cosmic law to be an antagonist. "Hey Smash McGullicutty, watch my back for a second while I loot EVA." Dead to neurotoxin in the next thirty seconds.
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Main Paineframe posted:Having been a changeling who got caught by a supercop AI who proceeded to stalk me and do everything they could to hinder me for the entire rest of the round, it's really loving annoying. Yeah, this is the major problem I had with it. Being locked in Toxins for 15 minutes by JudgeDredd.Exe is annoying and super un-fun. It was to the point where even going out in space, the AI would bolt down every air lock leading into the station because CHANGELINGS!! Even bolting down Escape and letting people into the escape shuttle one-by-one just so he could be SUPER SURE no changelings got on. That combined with him calling me "Austin the autist" (I spent the round transformed into some guy named Austin) and berating me for being retarded and how my parents wanted to abort me because I didn't know the optimal way to deal with every door being bolted and electrocuted and blast shutters being closed lead to a pretty unfun round. I have no idea how to get through doors other than cutting some of the wires, but I don't think that works when they're bolted/electrocuted. Maybe it would help if Acid Spit like, melted down doors if you targeted them or something. The "mix tape" he wanted everyone to download, by the way, was a youtube link to gently caress You by Cee Lo Green, which was a way of bypassing his no-naughty-language law, I guess.
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So someone got lost on his way to play some CoD and wound up the AI, basically.
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What if I inject myself with ten microbombs as syndie? How big would the explosion be on my death?
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Isaacs Alter Ego posted:Yeah, this is the major problem I had with it. Being locked in Toxins for 15 minutes by JudgeDredd.Exe is annoying and super un-fun. It was to the point where even going out in space, the AI would bolt down every air lock leading into the station because CHANGELINGS!! Even bolting down Escape and letting people into the escape shuttle one-by-one just so he could be SUPER SURE no changelings got on. Sounds like an AI that shouldn't ever be AI again.  AI is hard to do right and very easy to do very wrong. The best way is to scale your response to the problem. Someone broke into the armory? Oh well. Once the person has left the scene and fled, say "Armory seems to have been broken into." Message the Detective about a crime in progress by PDA. Close and bolt the airlock someone's about to be spaced out of, but don't bolt the traitor into that area. Leave escape routes. Get in their way just enough to force them to be resourceful. Or be really devious and pre-emptively open doors for them, leading them straight down a path to where Security is waiting. 
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So, something that has always bothered me: How the heck does cracking a safe work? I get that it is sort of like Mastermind, but I have yet to be able to figure out what each of the types of beep indicate.
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Kitan posted:What if I inject myself with ten microbombs as syndie? I've done this and it was enough to blow up the entire cell area in the brig.
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Isaacs Alter Ego posted:Yeah, this is the major problem I had with it. Being locked in Toxins for 15 minutes by JudgeDredd.Exe is annoying and super un-fun. It was to the point where even going out in space, the AI would bolt down every air lock leading into the station because CHANGELINGS!! Even bolting down Escape and letting people into the escape shuttle one-by-one just so he could be SUPER SURE no changelings got on. Yeah, I absolutely hate it when an AI starts locking down the routes to the shuttle and only lets select people on just to make sure no antag makes it to the shuttle. It's just plain rude. You can't hack a shocked door without insulated gloves, but the contents of a blue toolbox are enough to dismantle a regular or r-wall (or even a reinforced wall) in a pinch. It's time-consuming and eats through welder fuel pretty fast, but the AI can't do anything about it except send a borg to come kill you.
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Kitan posted:What if I inject myself with ten microbombs as syndie? I always am tempted to do this when I get the die a glorious death objective. If you have the survive the round objective, blowing up is counter productive, people can't mistakenly clone you if you're gibs.
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Main Paineframe posted:You can't hack a shocked door without insulated gloves... People should play with the network more often. Discovered how handy it was a few days ago. Actually, I don't even bother with tools for door hacking anymore.
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