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I think the reason why people are falling down the ladder in Shadow is because they are not centered. I know being left of center is always a bad idea and being on the other side of the ladder might be easier for some people.
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Acquire Currency! posted:Yo the falcon is actually really nice. I personally love the Falcon, but part of that is also because of aced Fully Loaded making ammo much less of a concern across the board.
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Jul 4, 2014 18:31
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Darwinism posted:I personally love the Falcon, but part of that is also because of aced Fully Loaded making ammo much less of a concern across the board. The Eagle kind of has the same problem. It's a pretty awesome weapon, but the ammo supply is really annoyingly low. Actually the Falcon and Eagle almost have identical stats - is there anything that really differentiates them besides how they look (in which case Eagle wins hands down)?
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Jul 4, 2014 18:36
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Scalding Coffee posted:I think the reason why people are falling down the ladder in Shadow is because they are not centered. I know being left of center is always a bad idea and being on the other side of the ladder might be easier for some people. I ceremonially KO myself at the start of shadowraid as a joke about the fact that it's not like i need the health anyway.
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Jul 4, 2014 18:36
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The Cheshire Cat posted:The Eagle kind of has the same problem. It's a pretty awesome weapon, but the ammo supply is really annoyingly low. Actually the Falcon and Eagle almost have identical stats - is there anything that really differentiates them besides how they look (in which case Eagle wins hands down)? The Falcon can have a 40-round magazine, and is also a better looking gun 
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Jul 4, 2014 18:37
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If only the wood furniture gave better stats than the metal stuff for the Falcon.
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Jul 4, 2014 18:49
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I did Shadow Raid on every difficulty last night with a few friends in descending order (i.e. DW to Hard) for our difficulty masks. Ended up getting the mechanics down pat pretty well. If you're clearing it for XP having a full group with jammers is really nice, since if you only have a couple of bags left and you know where they should be by process of elimination, you can rush the remainder easily.
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Jul 4, 2014 19:22
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Nyyen posted:Also, even though I'm already level 100 and kind of biased I am really getting tired to always having to run Diamond Store stealth every other heist now. It's like when every group constantly ran UK job for cards when the game was released. The min-maxing, ultra optimized way the game is currently being run is really putting a drag on murdering cops. Play with cooler dudes. The Summer Sale brought in lots of chill random groups who actually have fun running around doing everything the jankiest way possible and it's great.
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Jul 4, 2014 19:52
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Street sweeper is great for those of us non-masterminds to pick up a buddy. "Oh, you are surrounded by tans? Let me just left click a bit and brush them aside." And flechette rounds seem to give the shotguns some range back. Or maybe the damage fall off for the Raven isn't as short as the Reinfeld. All I know is it seems I was able to put holes in greens from further away than I'm used to.
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Jul 4, 2014 19:55
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the range is worse than the reinfeld
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Jul 4, 2014 20:01
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The Striker manages to be a great alternative to the Loco. As long as you're consistent about headshots, you can clear rooms really drat quickly.
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Jul 4, 2014 20:01
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UnknownMercenary posted:Do you have technician tier 4? Because 80ish damage isn't going to one shot tans I forgot about that, yeah. Enforcer Shotgun skills and Technician headshot bonus. I'm so used to them I forget not everybody has those!
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Jul 4, 2014 20:38
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A shotgun DLC with no shotgun mods, where's the Saiga drum? 
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Jul 4, 2014 20:47
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None of the new shotguns seem particularly moddable, either.
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Jul 4, 2014 20:49
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The big star of the DLC seems to mostly be the new ammo types but since they all suck...
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Jul 4, 2014 20:59
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UnknownMercenary posted:If only the wood furniture gave better stats than the metal stuff for the Falcon. The only important stat is gunporn factor. Give me wood every day, over metal crap.
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Jul 4, 2014 21:03
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Like I said before, I'm pretty new so my opinion isn't exactly grounded in experience, but the shotgun pack seems a lot less robust than the LMG pack (brutal guns that can handle waves of cops or pop heads for a long time without reloading) or the Sniper pack (Carrying a Thanatos is apparently required on Deathwish  ).I do enjoy using the Raven though, and I could be wrong but it seems like a straight upgrade to the Reinfeld in every way?
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Jul 4, 2014 21:04
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Geight posted:I do enjoy using the Raven though, and I could be wrong but it seems like a straight upgrade to the Reinfeld in every way? the range is worse than the reinfeld
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Jul 4, 2014 21:04
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Since the majority of the Raven's unlocks are achievement based, you can make it statistically identical to what a fully modded Reinfeld is, but it's not gonna have the sick rear end shell rack, wooden grip and folded stock so it's strictly worse.Fellis posted:The only important stat is gunporn factor. Give me wood every day, over metal crap. To a certain point I agree but damnit I want that 40 round magazine without taking a huge hit to accuracy. UnknownMercenary fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Jul 4, 2014 |
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Jul 4, 2014 21:13
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So has anybody used Shockproof in recent days or is it still just bugged garbage?
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Jul 4, 2014 21:20
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So what's the general consensus on the shotgun pack? All the new round types and the melee weapons look neat as hell (I really wanna use that hatchet  ) but I barely ever use shotguns. Are the new ammo types fancy enough to get me onto using them or should I just pass on it?
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Jul 4, 2014 22:03
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How do I play with goons. I joined the group and it says there are people playing but there's no "play this game with these people" button on either the group page or the game itself. How do I not play this game with the actual literal retards on Crime Dot Net.
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Jul 4, 2014 22:07
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The shotguns are all good additions, the masks and melee weapons are hilarious (two of them are, date I say, actually practical), but the ammo types are iffy. 000 Buckshot is useful for hitting damage thresholds. Frag rounds are good for stun locking Dozers and groups of enemies but awful at actually killing. Slugs are good for close range shield murder and nothing else. Flechettes are mostly bad, but a straight upgrade under select setups.
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Jul 4, 2014 22:08
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DoombatINC posted:How do I play with goons. I joined the group and it says there are people playing but there's no "play this game with these people" button on either the group page or the game itself. How do I not play this game with the actual literal retards on Crime Dot Net. Go into the group chat and ask if anyone wants to play.
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Jul 4, 2014 22:09
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Doctor Shitfaced posted:The shotguns are all good additions, the masks and melee weapons are hilarious (two of them are, date I say, actually practical) The tomahawk does 40 damage on an uncharged swing. Taking the +50% melee damage skill makes it actually practical to hit normal cops with it to save ammo. It also has somewhat silly range- you can hit cops with it from startlingly far away.
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Seriously; go test it out on a wall sometime and be amazed at how far away you can be from the wall and still hit it.UnknownMercenary posted:If only the wood furniture gave better stats than the metal stuff for the Falcon. UnknownMercenary posted:To a certain point I agree but damnit I want that 40 round magazine without taking a huge hit to accuracy.
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Jul 4, 2014 22:13
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Lemon Curdistan posted:Go into the group chat and ask if anyone wants to play. Thanks. I was hoping there was something for filtering games by group like how you can by friends but I guess Steam still does group stuff the old fashioned way.
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Jul 4, 2014 22:14
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Insert name here posted:The wooden foregrip gives you +4 accuracy and the e-mag gives you -2 accuracy. Mod away~ I don't have that one. 
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Jul 4, 2014 22:20
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Tulip posted:So has anybody used Shockproof in recent days or is it still just bugged garbage? Shockproof Basic is mostly pointless and never seems to trigger. Shockproof Ace does work, and will work at range; if you get tased, spin around to look at the Taser, and hit interact on him and he'll get blown back. But considering that most people do functionally the same thing with what's in their magazine it's still basically garbage. It's another one of those skills that there MIGHT be an argument for if it was a 1/3 skill, but as a 4/8 skill you'd have to be smoking some really good poo poo to think it's a good idea.
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Jul 4, 2014 22:27
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UnknownMercenary posted:I don't have that one. My usual crew of 3 can definitely do it but we need a 4th person. Add me on steam (same name as here) and we'll give it a go sometime.
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Jul 4, 2014 22:32
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Coolguye posted:Shockproof Basic is mostly pointless and never seems to trigger. Shockproof Ace does work, and will work at range; if you get tased, spin around to look at the Taser, and hit interact on him and he'll get blown back. Part of the problem is that Shockproof Basic reads inconsistently. "Taser shock attacks on you backfire, knocking back the Taser." Does that mean every attack? No. Does that mean just the first attack? Having not used Shockproof much I'm not sure if it gives you a notification when it procs. If it doesn't, how will you know when it's working? I always assumed it was just the first attack that backfired and after that you've got to work for yourself. Sort of a delaying the inevitable thing.
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It used to include a tooltip saying that it would backfire like 30% of the time or something. But even then it must just test it once at the beginning of the tase or something, because I rarely if ever see it work.
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Jul 4, 2014 22:40
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Wee Tinkle Wand posted:The big star of the DLC seems to mostly be the new ammo types but since they all suck... The star of the DLC is the shovel because the clang sound every time you whack a dude with it never stops being funny.
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Bocc Kob posted:The star of the DLC is the shovel because the clang sound every time you whack a dude with it never stops being funny. This x1000. The shovelin' achievement is the most hysterical thing in the game currently. It's a real shame that the rest of the DLC was underwhelming. 
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Jul 4, 2014 23:06
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If you didn't get the Shovelin' achievement together with 3 other people, forming a whirling, angry maelstrom of shovels and clanging, you really missed out. "SHIELD, SHIELD!" *clangclangclangclangclangclangclang* "SHIELD DOWN!"
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Jul 4, 2014 23:12
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So... how do I actually equip shotgun munition? I have all the nice selection but there is no feedback on what round I have equipped on a certain gun. No 'equipped' tag like on all the other items nor any other kind of feedback.
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Jul 4, 2014 23:31
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 The ammo types work just like normal weapon mods. Double click or hit "equip this" in the lower right corner and the selected type should have "Equipped" in the upper left corner.
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Jul 4, 2014 23:34
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What is the optimal way to grind up from level 85 to 100? I've just been doing Overkill Firestarter but... it's getting old with pubs. (Yes I know, goons, but pubs seem faster to jump in a game with sometimes)
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Jul 4, 2014 23:54
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Revitalized posted:What is the optimal way to grind up from level 85 to 100? If you've been getting diamond store stealth bonuses before Firestarter, then that's probably your best bet. You can do other 3 day missions or a watchdogs or something to break up the monotony. Also, if you've got any relatively easy missions with ++ or +++ sitting around, you might consider doing those for the extra bonus they give.
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Definitely try to get a stealth bonus before you do a long rear end hector mission, it adds up. Getting fast learner is worth it and watching for bonus exp missions that aren't utter bullshit or drat near impossible to complete in a pub (Hello Shadow Raid!) helps too. My strat when leveling with pubs was to do a 10-15 min stealth bank heist (usually you can find stealth guys with jammers and it's trivial to stealth as long as you kill the tellers) then do Rats/Firestarter/Loud election day.
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