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I also ran into a confusing situation where a Cloaker was hiding or stuck behind a potted plant on the final mission of Framing Frame. Like I know it was a cloaker since it had the goggles and my guy yelled out that the cloaker was down after I killed it. It was just so bizarre.
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Testekill posted:I also ran into a confusing situation where a Cloaker was hiding behind a potted plant on the final mission of Framing Frame. Like I know it was a cloaker since it had the goggles and my guy yelled out that the cloaker was down after I killed it. At least one of the two Cloakers will tend to do that sometimes. They insist on hiding behind really obvious cover and then presumably tittering like schoolgirls thinking that you can't see them. The ones that do this tend to never actually engage you. They're also the ones who literally just crouch-walk around in the open, in plain view, and maybe lazily take a pot shot at you with their little guns.
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When you guys talk about farming kills with X gun or whatever, are you just doing achievements or is there some other reason to do that?
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Most of them are achievements, some of which unlock weapon mod parts. like I spent a lot of time with an R93 going up and down a zipline on Big Bank to get the Theia. Theia on the Thanatos is a huge difference from the default scope. Major reduction in bullshit misses. Auto-spotting specials when I'm using a gun specifically best at special-elimination is just so great. yes I could've done this on a mission where the ziplines are closer to the ground (regular Bank vantage point) but whatever 
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Praseodymi posted:So what are the magic numbers for damage in this, mainly for overkill? I've heard 50 thrown around the most, I think? Check the shots to kill damage spreadsheet linked in the OP!
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Get your old hox soundboard here. I doubt the Prison Break is anything but the last of the hopefully first wave of Dentist jobs, but I like seeing them keep it in the heisters minds.
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Psion posted:Most of them are achievements, some of which unlock weapon mod parts. The Big Bank zipline is where real men learn to zipline headshot snipers from 2 blocks away. Suffice to say it took a good while... Didn't help that my AI teammates kept murdering the easy targets on the roof! The scope itself is absolutely fantastic though. I've never even fired the Thanatos with the default scope.
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I'm at the point now (level 70?) where it feels like the only things that actually give me progress are shadow raid or big bank.  I guess I just gotta wait for something else to get bonuses. And I do like Shadow Raid. And I need to run Big Bank with some goons and do it right. But I'm hitting that point of the curve you guys were talking about, and drat it hurts to keep getting 1% of a level's worth of experience for a perfect job, even on overkill.  Even with a bonus, that's just gonna turn 1% into 2% or something. Bleh. And I'm not 80 yet so I can't host death wish, although I guess I could join up with some goons to do it, but I'm still enjoying overkill. I just wish the rewards didn't drop off so massively.On the other hand I have most of the mods and skills I really want now.
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Zaphod42 posted:I'm at the point now (level 70?) where it feels like the only things that actually give me progress are shadow raid or big bank. There's a reason that people do a stealth Diamond Heist on normal (30% xp bonus for a really easy stealth, just get the minimum number of bags) and then run Pro Overkill Firestarter or Rats; it's just about the best way to see a huge chunk of XP; you'll see around 600-700k if I'm remembering right. But, yeah, it's still grindy as gently caress. edit: Pretty sure Rats and Firestarter have pro variants...
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They do. Watchdogs does as well, which also gives a fair bit of XP compared to what you would normally expect. Basically Hector is the best contact in the game right now.
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Watchdogs is also boring as all hell though. It's the map I enjoy the least personally.
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I feel like I should run Shadow Raid at some point. who's up for that tonight? unless there's a Big Oil Redux run or something.Party Plane Jones posted:Watchdogs is also boring as all hell though. It's the map I enjoy the least personally. really? I like it. It's short, simple shootymans. Great palate cleanser after a successful and/or failed stealth run. I think it's the best step up for newbies used to one-day jobs, like here, learn how two-day jobs work with Watchdogs.
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Party Plane Jones posted:Watchdogs is also boring as all hell though. It's the map I enjoy the least personally. It's straight bagferrying at its purest, and that's kinda dull. I much prefer loud firestarter, since there's some variety in what you're doing.
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Put as much wood on my AK 7.62 as possible without taking a stats hit. Came out quite nice. I love Watchdogs, and all of Hector's jobs because they're almost entirely loud. It does have the least variety of all the multi-day jobs though.
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Drewjitsu posted:As the pre eminent masterforcer here ( Well, here's a question: how essential is the tech tree headshot bonus for a thanny/r93 in the long run? Because if it isn't, then that frees up a few points.
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), I can confirm that I have aced endurance, and will continue to do so until I get seduced by techforcing (probably never, aced inspire is so goddamn good).
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Party Plane Jones posted:Watchdogs is also boring as all hell though. It's the map I enjoy the least personally. Ah yes, the dullness of moving a dozen bags across hell and gone while under fire. Unlike all those thrill-a-minute stealth runs.
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DoombatINC posted:Ah yes, the dullness of moving a dozen bags across hell and gone while under fire. Unlike all those thrill-a-minute stealth runs. Hey now nothing screams excitement like putting down an ECM jammer, securing the entire bank in 15 seconds then sitting on your loving rear end for 5 minutes waiting for the vault to open.
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So what is the final verdict on the new DLC, yay or nay?
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Wait for a sale; you don't need 000 buckshot or a mandrill mask that badly.
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maswastaken posted:Wait for a sale; you don't need 000 buckshot or a mandrill mask that badly. The gently caress you say.
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Psion posted:I feel like I should run Shadow Raid at some point. who's up for that tonight? unless there's a Big Oil Redux run or something.
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Philosopher King posted:So what is the final verdict on the new DLC, yay or nay? The masks are the best part. The ammo types stink except 000 buck which is free anyway because it's a community item. The M1014 and Streetsweeper are decent alternatives to the IZHMA but the IZHMA is still the best of the three. The Raven is basically a reskin of the Reinfeld except if you put every possible damage option on it it's like a cut-down pump action Mosconi with more ammo.
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Psion posted:I feel like I should run Shadow Raid at some point. who's up for that tonight? unless there's a Big Oil Redux run or something. I'm down. What time? -Zydeco- fucked around with this message at 17:35 on Jul 8, 2014 |
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Darwinism posted:There's a reason that people do a stealth Diamond Heist on normal (30% xp bonus for a really easy stealth, just get the minimum number of bags) and then run Pro Overkill Firestarter or Rats; it's just about the best way to see a huge chunk of XP; you'll see around 600-700k if I'm remembering right. But, yeah, it's still grindy as gently caress. I've been doing Diamond Heist + Firestarter/Rats/Watchdogs, that's how I got to 70. I like that, but now it seems I get very, very little experience for it. Guess I gotta start doing Pro Jobs, yeah. Psion posted:I feel like I should run Shadow Raid at some point. who's up for that tonight? unless there's a Big Oil Redux run or something. I'm down like a clown, Charlie Brown. Bolow posted:Hey now nothing screams excitement like putting down an ECM jammer, securing the entire bank in 15 seconds then sitting on your loving rear end for 5 minutes waiting for the vault to open. I unironically love doing this though
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DoombatINC posted:Ah yes, the dullness of moving a dozen bags across hell and gone while under fire. Unlike all those thrill-a-minute stealth runs. Don't do anything but shadow raid in stealth.
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Zaphod42 posted:I've been doing Diamond Heist + Firestarter/Rats/Watchdogs, that's how I got to 70. I like that, but now it seems I get very, very little experience for it. Are you doing just those jobs? Because the game's going to penalize you for doing the same stuff over and over. Do a few short one day jobs, or anything besides the Hector ones and then go for a big XP run.
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UnknownMercenary posted:Are you doing just those jobs? Because the game's going to penalize you for doing the same stuff over and over. Do a few short one day jobs, or anything besides the Hector ones and then go for a big XP run. I know how the system works, I've been mixing it up. That's my complaint, up till now mixing it up and doing those two have netted me huge XP. But I'm sitting here with Firestarter with no negative XP penalty, and its still gonna give me like 1% projected XP for overkill. +30% XP bonus ain't doing fuckall to that. Does the estimated XP only show for like 1 day of a 3-day mission or something? I guess I could just run another one and see if it comes out okay. Again, I probably need to do more Pro Jobs now, is the thing.
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Darwinism posted:There's a reason that people do a stealth Diamond Heist on normal (30% xp bonus for a really easy stealth, just get the minimum number of bags) and then run Pro Overkill Firestarter or Rats; it's just about the best way to see a huge chunk of XP; you'll see around 600-700k if I'm remembering right. But, yeah, it's still grindy as gently caress.
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UnknownMercenary posted:Put as much wood on my AK 7.62 as possible without taking a stats hit. Came out quite nice. Overkill, why does the AK family not have a classic wooden stock available? Atleast they finally got the AK reload animation nailed down.
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Zaphod42 posted:I know how the system works, I've been mixing it up. That's my complaint, up till now mixing it up and doing those two have netted me huge XP. But I'm sitting here with Firestarter with no negative XP penalty, and its still gonna give me like 1% projected XP for overkill. +30% XP bonus ain't doing fuckall to that.  Like, it does show 3%, until it throws in the bonuses from the Risk Bonus/Difficulty. Pro Firestarter OK cranks it up to 28,377+283,763 for 74% of a level, so it's definitely a big boost, but you still shouldn't be getting nothing from non-Pro jobs..And no, it shows the entire job's experience gain for estimated XP. maketakunai fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Jul 8, 2014 |
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Zaphod42 posted:I know how the system works, I've been mixing it up. That's my complaint, up till now mixing it up and doing those two have netted me huge XP. But I'm sitting here with Firestarter with no negative XP penalty, and its still gonna give me like 1% projected XP for overkill. +30% XP bonus ain't doing fuckall to that. Are you buying the contracts to host, or getting them as they pop up on Crime.net? They don't get any bonus XP beyond the stealth bonus if you're buying them. You're not at the point yet where the regular versions of those jobs should be insufficient, but pro versions with stealth bonuses will be netting like 600k at least. Dezztroy posted:Overkill, why does the AK family not have a classic wooden stock available? Atleast they finally got the AK reload animation nailed down. They grouped the IZHMA with the AK family for changing the animations but still don't let us put the AK quadstack on it. 
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-Zydeco- posted:I'm down. What time? hm, probably 5 pacific/8 eastern? Maybe a little later depending on when I get out of work. I'm notpsion on steam, I'll be in the group chat/mumble.
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Dezztroy posted:Overkill, why does the AK family not have a classic wooden stock available? Atleast they finally got the AK reload animation nailed down. They even have wooden stocks on the AKs you see in the baggable weapon containers. 
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So we know when shotgun dropoff starts and when it finishes, do we know when if it's a linear dropoff or if it's exponential decay or what?UnknownMercenary posted:They grouped the IZHMA with the AK family for changing the animations but still don't let us put the AK quadstack on it. Who cares we all want the saiga drum. PantsOptional posted:The gently caress you say. The monkey one is loving amazing too. My lil bro said the oranguatan looks like a hosed-up sex doll.
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Bootcha posted:Well, here's a question: how essential is the tech tree headshot bonus for a thanny/r93 in the long run? Because if it isn't, then that frees up a few points. Zero. None. Tans will die from a body hit and any non-dozer special die from HS. The Raven is a little bit more than a reskin of the Reinfeld. It's superior due to it's larger magazine(18!), higher damage without loading 000buck breaking 100 damage with shotgun impact allowing you to HS tans which means it has a much greater effective ammo efficiency and pool which means if you run it and Streetsweeper, you will have near unlimited ammo. Also it is the only primary shotgun that you can bring with a high concealment and not be terrible if it goes loud. Raven + cut MP5K gets you to 6 concealment. However, if you're playing a serious loud mission, you should be bringing a SAW rather than any Shotgun as it has better pretty much anything other ammo pickup. Run it with Streetsweeper and you will pick up enough ammo to feed the KSP if you have Fully Loaded aced.
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You're not breaking 100 damage on the Raven with the long barrel and shark teeth unless you have a special ammo type. It still caps at 98 with Enforcer skills, the same as the Reinfeld. I'm getting 105 with the short barrel but that means having to deal with 2 accuracy and a capacity of 10 instead of 14 or 18.
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I find the Raven to be worse than the Reinfeld. Less ammo, pitiful accuracy and an awful pump animation that makes follow-up shots a pain. The concealment is nice though, I guess.
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UnknownMercenary posted:Are you buying the contracts to host, or getting them as they pop up on Crime.net? They don't get any bonus XP beyond the stealth bonus if you're buying them. You're not at the point yet where the regular versions of those jobs should be insufficient, but pro versions with stealth bonuses will be netting like 600k at least. Wait, are you sure that's true? I thought if someone buys a contract, then only the host wouldn't get a heat bonus but others would. Think about it: if you're browsing Crime.net it's not like you see the same heist with and without heat bonuses showing up, do you? I'm level 100 and am trying to level up my friends, so I typically buy a Diamond Store contract on Normal to stealth before buying whichever contract they have +++ bonuses on. I then ask "what experience does it say you'll get?" and they usually say "[base XP for contract] +30% in blue and then a second +50%." Turns out that even with those sorts of bonuses the amount of XP you get for a transport mission or Go Bank is miniscule, so we usually run Rats or Firestarter once they're at ++ bonus.
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Double checked, sneaky overkill nerfed the Raven since I last used it. I clearly remember the Damage breaking 100 with default 00buck.
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Zaphod42 posted:Does the estimated XP only show for like 1 day of a 3-day mission or something? I guess I could just run another one and see if it comes out okay. If you're seeing 1% for Overkill Firestarter, I'd love to see that myself because there's no way something's isn't amiss. Overkill Firestarter is 10050 + 100500 unmodified, which is 10% even at level 99. Zaphod42 posted:Again, I probably need to do more Pro Jobs now, is the thing.
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