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Mad Wack
Mar 27, 2008

"The faster you use your cooldowns, the faster you can use them again"

HBar posted:



One Turn Plan: No
Justice Act of 3000: No
Tryhard Galactic Standard of Living Bill: No
The Andorian Elevation Act: No
Peltian Quality of Life Act: No
No Aid to Terrorists Act: No
Initial Galactic Stimulus Act: No
Legislative Blitz: Yes
Prevention of Genocide Act: Yes

I think I saw Eightfold Unity and Solis Infernus on a poster somewhere, so I'm voting with them.

Voting makes me hungry. Can one of you other heads eat something for me?

yeah same

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occipitallobe
Jul 16, 2012

Wiz posted:

I still figure that getting the achievement for the Andors being the only race left must be the most difficult way to win. I really don't know how you even do that since they refuse to genocide other races. Andor-Acutian Federation, planetcrack everyone else and then have pirates take over the Acutians?

Federation with Andors and Acutians. Have the Acutian planet be right next to the Evuck planet (which must be a gas giant). Planetcrack everyone else. When the Evucks start losing the war, they'll detonate their own gas giant rather than be wiped out, annihilating their world and any nearby worlds. Consequently everyone but the Andors is dead.

(Joined Revengeance prior to the session starting, think it was missed)
One Turn Plan: Yes
Justice Act of 3000: Yes
Tryhard Galactic Standard of Living Bill: No
The Andorian Elevation Act: No
Peltian Quality of Life Act: Yes
No Aid to Terrorists Act: Yes
Initial Galactic Stimulus Act: No
Legislative Blitz: No
Prevention of Genocide Act: No

Punished Chuck
Dec 27, 2010


One Turn Plan: No
Justice Act of 3000: Yes
Tryhard Galactic Standard of Living Bill: Yes
The Andorian Elevation Act: No
Peltian Quality of Life Act: No
No Aid to Terrorists Act: Hate to vote against my own party, but No
Initial Galactic Stimulus Act: Yes
Legislative Blitz: No
Prevention of Genocide Act: Yes

A few of the ones I voted yes on have conflicting goals, but gently caress it, I agree with the general gist of them. Hail Hydra, etc.

Broken Mind
Jan 27, 2009


One Turn Plan: Yes
Justice Act of 3000: Yes
Tryhard Galactic Standard of Living Bill: No
The Andorian Elevation Act: No
Peltian Quality of Life Act: Yes
No Aid to Terrorists Act: Yes
Initial Galactic Stimulus Act: No
Legislative Blitz: No
Prevention of Genocide Act: Yes

Mostly following the party line, but there is no need to let any species die if we can stop it. If we can't, it hardly matters how we vote.

Gnoll
Nov 12, 2011


One Turn Plan: Yes
Justice Act of 3000: No
Tryhard Galactic Standard of Living Bill: Yes
The Andorian Elevation Act: Yes
Peltian Quality of Life Act: Yes
No Aid to Terrorists Act: No
Initial Galactic Stimulus Act: No
Legislative Blitz: No
Prevention of Genocide Act: Yes

Rogue0071
Dec 8, 2009

Grey Hunter's next target.

quote:

Mostly following the party line, but there is no need to let any species die if we can stop it. If we can't, it hardly matters how we vote.

It does when we would be expending huge amounts of resources on trying to prevent it.

General Antares
Sep 5, 2011

There be corundium up in them thar asteroids!!!

One Turn Plan: Yes
Justice Act of 3000: No
Tryhard Galactic Standard of Living Bill: No
The Andorian Elevation Act: Yes
Peltian Quality of Life Act: Yes
No Aid to Terrorists Act: No
Initial Galactic Stimulus Act: No
Legislative Blitz: No
Prevention of Genocide Act: No

A number of these bills seek to limit what actions we can take in the future which I rejected because there is no upside to taking them off the table. I also rejected the Tryhard proposal because the Acutians will almost certainly use any advantage we give them to subjugate other worlds. I support these 3 proposals because I believe that the races they aid will make a good basis for our new federation.

Broken Mind
Jan 27, 2009

Rogue0071 posted:

It does when we would be expending huge amounts of resources on trying to prevent it.

Just because a planet is control by a class we don't like is no reason to condemn those who live under their yoke.

Capfalcon
Apr 6, 2012

No Boots on the Ground,
Puny Mortals!


One Turn Plan: Yes
Justice Act of 3000: Yes
Tryhard Galactic Standard of Living Bill: No
The Andorian Elevation Act: No
Peltian Quality of Life Act: Yes
No Aid to Terrorists Act: Yes
Initial Galactic Stimulus Act: No
Legislative Blitz: No
Prevention of Genocide Act: No

Daeren
Aug 18, 2009

YER MUSTACHE IS CROOKED


One Turn Plan: Abstain - It directly contradicts my opinion on how the Acutians should be handled in the short term, but it's almost identical to my bill in every other respect.
Justice Act of 3000: No - I've made my opposition to this clear.
Tryhard Galactic Standard of Living Bill: Yes - Well, duh, I wrote it.
The Andorian Elevation Act: Yes - I concur that we should make diplomatic overtures to the Andorians.
Peltian Quality of Life Act: Yes - This is entirely in line with the Tryhard bill's goals.
No Aid to Terrorists Act: No - It is far, far too early to write off opportunities based on dogma.
Initial Galactic Stimulus Act: Abstain - I continue to hold deep reservations over uplifting the Acutians so far ahead of schedule, but ANCAP has been supporting our bill, and I agree with every other item in their proposal.
Legislative Blitz: No - I like the cut of your jib, but you're also nuts.
Prevention of Genocide Act: Yes - While I hestitate to look like a warmonger, would this bill be permanently enacted, or just for the turn? One of our tenets is to never write off an option entirely, but jumping right to genocide from square one is ludicrous, so in either case I'm voting for it.

I appreciate the people voting against me who are expressing sympathy, despite being very committed to roleplaying xenocidal zealots compelled to vote with the party line. It shows we can work out compromises in the future. I have abstained from two votes because I want them both to have a fair shot at passing, but I don't want to vote yes or no and force a conflict about the Acutian manner in resolution.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.
This one has no banner of allegiance.

One Turn Plan: Yes
Justice Act of 3000: No
Tryhard Galactic Standard of Living Bill: Yes
The Andorian Elevation Act: Yes
Peltian Quality of Life Act: Yes
No Aid to Terrorists Act: No
Initial Galactic Stimulus Act: No
Legislative Blitz: No
Prevention of Genocide Act: No

JT Jag
Aug 30, 2009

#1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver


One Turn Plan: Yes
Justice Act of 3000: Yes
Tryhard Galactic Standard of Living Bill: No
The Andorian Elevation Act: No
Peltian Quality of Life Act: Yes
No Aid to Terrorists Act: Yes
Initial Galactic Stimulus Act: No
Legislative Blitz: No
Prevention of Genocide Act: No

FredMSloniker
Jan 2, 2008

Why, yes, I do like Kirby games.

In future, could you refrain from putting ballots in a quote box? That way I can just quote your post and edit the ballot accordingly.

At any rate, I'm voting the party line:

Daeren posted:

One Turn Plan: Abstain
Justice Act of 3000: No
Tryhard Galactic Standard of Living Bill: Yes
The Andorian Elevation Act: Yes
Peltian Quality of Life Act: Yes
No Aid to Terrorists Act: No
Initial Galactic Stimulus Act: Abstain
Legislative Blitz: No
Prevention of Genocide Act: Yes

ZiegeDame
Aug 21, 2005

YUKIMURAAAA!

One Turn Plan: no
Justice Act of 3000: no.
Tryhard Galactic Standard of Living Bill: yes.
Peltian Quality of Life Act: yes.
No Aid to Terrorists Act: no.
Initial Galactic Stimulus Act: yes
Legislative Blitz: no
Prevention of Genocide Act:No

Wiz
May 16, 2004

Nap Ghost

unwantedplatypus posted:



Party voting policy

You guys can vote for whatever you want, but I would like to bring up a caveat.

In the interests of scheming, How would you feel about me, as party leader, having the ability to use an "implied vote" from each party member. A party member could simply rebuke me and use the vote for themselves. Sometimes I might have to carefully place votes to get the precise result the party desires. Keep in mind that I would be using these votes near the end of the voting session.

Additionally, how do you guys feel about scheming out-of-thread, such as through IRC or Skype or whatever? Being actually shadowy and unknown helps with being an unknown shadowy cabal.

Scheme out of thread all you want, but no proxy voting.

Cythereal posted:

This one has a question for the Hydral, queen apparent of this hive structure: both the One Turn Plan and the Tryhard Galactic Standard of Living Bill appeal to this one's sensibilities, however they conflict on one point that this one does not consider particularly relevant. Is voting yes on both bills permitted?

Yes, if two bills conflict the one with the most yes votes over no votes takes precedence.

Wiz fucked around with this message at 05:11 on Jul 17, 2014

JT Jag
Aug 30, 2009

#1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver

Wiz posted:

Scheme out of thread all you want, but no proxy voting.
Yeah, the closest thing you'll get to proxy voting is stating the "Official Party Position" on all the bills on the table before voting starts. Just so as many of the people in the party as possible vote "the right way".

sniper4625
Sep 26, 2009

Loyal to the hEnd

Juvenalian.Satyr posted:



One Turn Plan: No
Justice Act of 3000: No
Tryhard Galactic Standard of Living Bill: Yes
Peltian Quality of Life Act: No
No Aid to Terrorists Act: No
Initial Galactic Stimulus Act: Yes
Legislative Blitz: No
Prevention of Genocide Act: Yes

GoatLord posted:


One Turn Plan: no
Justice Act of 3000: no.
Tryhard Galactic Standard of Living Bill: yes.
Peltian Quality of Life Act: yes.
No Aid to Terrorists Act: no.
Initial Galactic Stimulus Act: yes
Legislative Blitz: no
Prevention of Genocide Act:No


Hello, you guys are missing Eiba's proposal, please update your votes ASAP! This goes for anyone else, please make sure you have a vote (abstains count, I guess), on all 9! proposals. If you miss a proposal, it will tentatively be an abstain.

unwantedplatypus
Sep 6, 2012

JT Jag posted:

Yeah, the closest thing you'll get to proxy voting is stating the "Official Party Position" on all the bills on the table before voting starts. Just so as many of the people in the party as possible vote "the right way".

This might require an interesting solution considering my Official Party Position is "gently caress up everyone's plans." I'm sure I will figure something out.

Rubix Squid
Apr 17, 2014


One Turn Plan: Abstain
Justice Act of 3000: No
Tryhard Galactic Standard of Living Bill: Yes
The Andorian Elevation Act: Yes
Peltian Quality of Life Act: Yes
No Aid to Terrorists Act: No
Initial Galactic Stimulus Act: Abstain
Legislative Blitz: No
Prevention of Genocide Act: Yes

Xtanstic
Nov 23, 2007



One Turn Plan: Yes
Justice Act of 3000: No
Tryhard Galactic Standard of Living Bill: Yes
The Andorian Elevation Act: No
Peltian Quality of Life Act: Yes
No Aid to Terrorists Act: No
Initial Galactic Stimulus Act: No
Legislative Blitz: No
Prevention of Genocide Act: No

Tricky Dick Nixon
Jul 26, 2010

by Nyc_Tattoo

sniper4625 posted:

Hello, you guys are missing Eiba's proposal, please update your votes ASAP! This goes for anyone else, please make sure you have a vote (abstains count, I guess), on all 9! proposals. If you miss a proposal, it will tentatively be an abstain.

I went ahead and edited my post, not sure what happened!

I believe Abstains matter only in the case of what Wiz brought up: If there is a conflict between proposals then the relative amount of Yes votes (minus the No votes, I assume?) is taken into account.

ZeeToo
Feb 20, 2008

I'm a kitty!


One Turn Plan: Abstain - Mainly just for party line. Giving beef jerky and dangerous knives to the Peltians has my interest.
Justice Act of 3000: No
Tryhard Galactic Standard of Living Bill: Yes, for obvious reasons.
The Andorian Elevation Act: Yes - No quarrel with helping the Andorians, and no clear conflicts with other priorities.
Peltian Quality of Life Act: Yes - Beef jerky for owl-moles.
No Aid to Terrorists Act: No - Directly conflicts with
Initial Galactic Stimulus Act: Yes - Breaking party line to express continued interest in grabbing the Acutian mission.
Legislative Blitz: No - How can I vote yes on this if I have any preferences about anything else?
Prevention of Genocide Act: Yes - Given that the Act seems binding for the current session, it's in.

unwantedplatypus
Sep 6, 2012

ZeeToo posted:

Legislative Blitz: No - How can I vote yes on this if I have any preferences about anything else?

I thought voting would be more restrictive. As in, each person only being able to vote on one thing at a time. With the current setup I may have to adjust my strategy.

sniper4625
Sep 26, 2009

Loyal to the hEnd


46 needed for a majority - Last vote: ZeeToo

One Turn Plan
Yes: 19
No: 9
Abstain: 4

Justice Act of 3000
Yes: 10
No: 22
Abstain: 0

Tryhard Galactic Standard of Living Bill
Yes: 17
No: 15
Abstain: 0

The Andorian Elevation Act
Yes: 15
No: 15
Abstain: 2

Peltian Quality of Life Act
Yes: 26
No: 6
Abstain: 0

No Aid to Terrorists Act
Yes: 12
No: 20
Abstain: 0

Initial Galactic Stimulus Act
Yes: 10
No: 19
Abstain: 3

Legislative Blitz
Yes: 4
No: 28
Abstain: 0

Prevention of Genocide Act
Yes: 15
No: 16
Abstain: 1

StrifeHira
Nov 7, 2012

I'll remind you that I have a very large stick.


One Turn Plan: Abstain
Justice Act of 3000: No.
Tryhard Galactic Standard of Living Bill: Yes
The Andorian Elevation Act: Yes
Peltian Quality of Life Act: Yes
No Aid to Terrorists Act: No
Initial Galactic Stimulus Act: Yes
Legislative Blitz: No
Prevention of Genocide Act: Yes

Frionnel
May 7, 2010

Friends are what make testing worth it.


One Turn Plan: Yes yes yes
Justice Act of 3000: Only seems to hurt the forces of the bourgeoisie, so i'm voting Yes.
Tryhard Galactic Standard of Living Bill: I will not approve of lending our hands to the oppressor! Voting No.
The Andorian Elevation Act: There is no point in negating the Justice Act. We ARE hostile to the awful species in this solar system. A No.
Peltian Quality of Life Act: How could someone ever refuse this? Yes.
No Aid to Terrorists Act: I like this one. Yes.
Initial Galactic Stimulus Act: I only read item 1. It tries to help the Acutians. No.
Legislative Blitz: Nice try but No.
Prevention of Genocide Act: No.

paragon1
Nov 22, 2010

FULL COMMUNISM NOW


One Turn Plan: Yes
Justice Act of 3000: No
Tryhard Galactic Standard of Living Bill: No
The Andorian Elevation Act: Yes
Peltian Quality of Life Act: Yes
No Aid to Terrorists Act: No
Initial Galactic Stimulus Act: No
Legislative Blitz: No
Prevention of Genocide Act: No

Slaan
Mar 16, 2009



ASHERAH DEMANDS I FEAST, I VOTE FOR A FEAST OF FLESH

unwantedplatypus posted:

I thought voting would be more restrictive. As in, each person only being able to vote on one thing at a time. With the current setup I may have to adjust my strategy.

I guess for now we shall just have to try and make things conflict as much as possible by upvoting legislation from conflicting parties whenever possible?


One Turn Plan: Yes
Justice Act of 3000: Yes.
Tryhard Galactic Standard of Living Bill: Yes.
The Andorian Elevation Act: Yes
Peltian Quality of Life Act: No
No Aid to Terrorists Act: Yes.
Initial Galactic Stimulus Act: Yes
Legislative Blitz: Yes
Prevention of Genocide Act: No

I Killed GBS
Jun 2, 2011

by Lowtax


One Turn Plan: No.
Justice Act of 3000: No.
Tryhard Galactic Standard of Living Bill: Yes.
The Andorian Elevation Act: No.
Peltian Quality of Life Act: No.
No Aid to Terrorists Act: No.
Initial Galactic Stimulus Act: Yes.
Legislative Blitz: No.
Prevention of Genocide Act: No.

We have cast our vote in favor of the policies which benefit us. We have declined all those that we see no need for. This is how politics work, correct?

JT Jag
Aug 30, 2009

#1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver


I urge our friends amongst the Communist Intersolar to be loyal to their party platform when they vote.

Rogue0071 posted:

I would like the found the Communist Intersolar which supports solidarity and support for the Peltians and opposition to the Acutians and Evucks.

Gorgo Primus has also agreed to be a member.

Provisional image:
If they do so, I believe they will find that their goals are aligned with the goals of the Revengeance Party this round, and that voting for the Justice Act of 3000 is in their own self-interest.

Frionnel
May 7, 2010

Friends are what make testing worth it.

Listen to his words comrades, this is in the best interests of the revolution.

applebane
Jun 5, 2011


One Turn Plan: Yes
Justice Act of 3000: Yes
Tryhard Galactic Standard of Living Bill: No
The Andorian Elevation Act: No
Peltian Quality of Life Act: Yes
No Aid to Terrorists Act: Yes
Initial Galactic Stimulus Act: No
Legislative Blitz: No
Prevention of Genocide Act: No

Eiba
Jul 26, 2007




One Turn Plan: Sure, why not?
Justice Act of 3000: Emphatically not!
Tryhard Galactic Standard of Living Bill: Indeed!
The Andorian Elevation Act: With no undue humility, I wholeheartedly support this fine measure
Peltian Quality of Life Act: Yeah! Cute little owls~
No Aid to Terrorists Act: Heavens no! I guess I didn't read this act earlier. It's dreadfully hostile!
Initial Galactic Stimulus Act: Abstain. While it does fly with Nice Guy principles, I can't help but be personally wary about uplifting the Acutians.
Legislative Blitz: No.
Prevention of Genocide Act: Boy howdy, yes! Best act I've seen yet. Even better than mine!

Rogue0071
Dec 8, 2009

Grey Hunter's next target.

JT Jag posted:

I urge our friends amongst the Communist Intersolar to be loyal to their party platform when they vote.
If they do so, I believe they will find that their goals are aligned with the goals of the Revengeance Party this round, and that voting for the Justice Act of 3000 is in their own self-interest.

While I believe the vote on that act should purely be a conscience vote and will not issue any party directive on the matter; I would like to offer my personal endorsement of the act. Most of its provisions will strengthen our capacity to support positive change in the future.

Rogue0071 fucked around with this message at 06:14 on Jul 17, 2014

A RICH WHITE MAN
Jul 30, 2010

See them other chickenheads? They don't never leave the coop.


One Turn Plan: Yes
Justice Act of 3000: Yes
Tryhard Galactic Standard of Living Bill: No
The Andorian Elevation Act: No
Peltian Quality of Life Act: Yes
No Aid to Terrorists Act: Yes
Initial Galactic Stimulus Act: No
Legislative Blitz: No
Prevention of Genocide Act: No

Dibujante
Jul 27, 2004
One Turn Plan: Abstain
Justice Act of 3000: Yes
Tryhard Galactic Standard of Living Bill: No
The Andorian Elevation Act: Abstain
Peltian Quality of Life Act: Abstain
No Aid to Terrorists Act: Yes
Initial Galactic Stimulus Act: No
Legislative Blitz: Abstain
Prevention of Genocide Act: No, no, no, no, no

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007


The Lazy rear end in a top hat Vote-Getting Challenge #1

Party Leaders: until the end of this voting period, you can earn my vote - and my recommendation for the other Lazy Assholes (who I cannot compel, of course), in the following manner.

Make a post that argues against your own party's proposal this session. You must use a maximum of 200 words, because I'm not loving reading any more than that.

Whoever makes the most convincing argument against their own party proposal, wins my vote: I will vote for your proposal and against all the others. I will also ask the rest of my party to vote the same, although that would of course be a non-binding request.

When writing your argument, keep in mind that I have not read all the rules about the game, have only a vague familiarity with the racial factions, don't remember your party's platform, and will lose interest rapidly if you get into esoterica.

You may of course choose not to participate, but I will of course vote against your party's proposal for sure in that case, and recommend the rest of my party do so also.

Remember, this is only for the leaders of the other parties: I will ignore posts from everyone else. Please use your party banner and put something addressing me or my party in bold so I notice it while I skim past all the endless pages of pointless noise from the rest of the rabble.


In case you are wondering, this is the "rear end in a top hat" side of the Lazy rear end in a top hat Party.

I will try to make my vote about one hour before the polls close, which I think will be 7:30pm my own time (PDT) tomorrow night, assuming I used the world time clock time zone converter correctly, which I can't be assed to confirm.

Leperflesh fucked around with this message at 06:21 on Jul 17, 2014

ZiegeDame
Aug 21, 2005

YUKIMURAAAA!

sniper4625 posted:

Hello, you guys are missing Eiba's proposal, please update your votes ASAP! This goes for anyone else, please make sure you have a vote (abstains count, I guess), on all 9! proposals. If you miss a proposal, it will tentatively be an abstain.

gently caress man, blame the guy I quoted. (And why aren't you ragging on his rear end, huh?) I'm like, way too couch-locked here to go back and edit a post, so I'll just have to say no to whatever that thing you just said.

Lord Cyrahzax
Oct 11, 2012

Leperflesh posted:


The Lazy rear end in a top hat Vote-Getting Challenge #1

ANCAP RESPONSE

Get hosed, freeloader.

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Viscardus
Jun 1, 2011

Thus equipped by fortune, physique, and character, he was naturally indomitable, and subordinate to no one in the world.


Revengeance Party Leader

One Turn Plan: Yes
Justice Act of 3000: Yes
Tryhard Galactic Standard of Living Bill: No
The Andorian Elevation Act: No
Peltian Quality of Life Act: Abstain
No Aid to Terrorists Act: Abstain
Initial Galactic Stimulus Act: No
Legislative Blitz: No
Prevention of Genocide Act: No

All Revengeance Party members are expected to vote for the Justice Act of 3000. All Revengeance Party members are also expected to reject all bills I have voted against, as they contain provisions contrary to our core principles. The One Turn Plan, Peltian Quality of Life Act, and No Aid to Terrorists Act may be supported or not according to the convictions of individual members, although I particularly encourage support of the One Turn Plan. The Peltian Quality of Life Act is questionable in its allocation of resources, while I have some qualms about the way the No Aid to Terrorists Act (races can share technology, so giving it to any race could in theory result in indirectly allowing it to fall into the hands of the Acutians or Evucks). However, neither of these acts is so problematic as to contradict our core principles, and thus voting for them is permitted (as many have already done).

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