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Not that it matters much at this point, but Asellus. I was thinking we could follow Lute's quest with a pretty good one, follow with the worst one, then wrap up with the best. But I guess ending with the two of the best quests works too.
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Voting for Riki because it's a perfect example of how to not do game design. And to get the pain train over with.
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Jul 17, 2014 18:24
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Riki. Let's just put it behind us.
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Jul 17, 2014 18:54
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When I first played this game as a kid I picked riki as my very first pc. Holy crap trying to learn this game with riki is a nightmare. I would have quit right there if I didn't see my brother playing with blue.
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Jul 17, 2014 19:28
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Be honest, if you did Asellus first would you even come back to do Riki?
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Jul 17, 2014 19:35
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MartianAgitator posted:Be honest, if you did Asellus first would you even come back to do Riki? I did her second and to this day still haven't beat riki. I have beaten the game with everyone else more than once but gently caress riki forever.
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Jul 17, 2014 19:40
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I'll throw another Asellus vote into the void along with a request that she gets an all women party. Really, I think we'd be better off alternating between the best and the worst characters, but if you want to get the bad ones out of the way and end on a streak of awesome, that's fine too.
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Jul 17, 2014 19:50
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Am I the only actually like Riki’s quest? I mean as much as I liked any other quest. IMHO Lute’s quest was the worst.
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Jul 17, 2014 19:59
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The main thing with Riki's quest is... much like Asellus is the Mystic Quest and T260G is the Mech Quest, Riki is the Monster Quest. And monsters are the overall weakest type of character in the game, while Riki's quest has lots of unique content that means it's one of the harder quests overall even without that. It has its own special "gently caress you!"s as well, but dude'll get to that.
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Jul 17, 2014 20:06
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The sooner we get through Riki's scenario, the better.
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Jul 17, 2014 20:08
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Let's do the Riki questline. I'm not a fan of Asellus' story.
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Jul 17, 2014 20:14
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Adding to the Riki pile. Get the terrible out of the way so we can end super high. I'm sorry dude, I'm so sorry.
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Jul 17, 2014 21:15
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Riki. I don't have the traumatic memories everyone else seems to have about Riki's quest, sure monsters are super-hard to use but I made do even if I never fully "got" monster mechanics, so let's see what the fuss is all about
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Jul 17, 2014 21:20
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I actually liked Riki's quest. I didn't understand much about it at the time, and I made The Mistake, but I think it was my third or fourth scenario. Also I went right into Lute's last dungeon first chance I got. Just Lute and Hamilton, Gamesharked to have infinite HP, but doing jack-all for damage. I may or may not have gotten all the way to the last boss like that, but I know I realized my mistake and started over.
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Jul 17, 2014 21:48
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Stroth posted:Lets go ahead and finish strong. Riki There's one storyline that hasn't even been put to vote and I'm pretty sure that's our finish, and it's gonna be VERY strong.  Go with Riki to get the worst this game has to offer out of the way in rapid succession.
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Jul 17, 2014 21:50
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Double Rabite posted:Am I the only actually like Riki’s quest? I mean as much as I liked any other quest. IMHO Lute’s quest was the worst. Well riki's story is.... Well completely stupid but servicable. The gameplay is the huge problem for me. It is very non saga frontier. I can't describe it more without spoiling how bad it is.
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Jul 17, 2014 22:26
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The sooner we're done with Riki the better
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Jul 17, 2014 23:07
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Riki is great heropon! Watch Riki's adventure and be amazed!
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Jul 17, 2014 23:30
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Let's just get Riki's stupid story over with. I got burnt hard by its shenanigans when I picked Riki as my first character as a kid.
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Jul 18, 2014 00:08
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Riki Hey, maybe dealing with all the suck now will help you clear the punishing, unforgiving stories of Asellus and Red later on! Sorry, can't type it with a straight face.
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Jul 18, 2014 02:11
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Riki is great heropon! Watch Riki's adventure and be amazed! No... just... no. Riki can not hold a candle to Riki. He likes fighting easy monsters, which Riki is one of them.
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Jul 18, 2014 02:37
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quote:Riki. Save the best for last.
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Jul 18, 2014 02:52
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Shitenshi posted:Hey, maybe dealing with all the suck now will help you clear the punishing, unforgiving stories of Asellus and Red later on! Both of them have "gently caress you" moments easily as bad as the worst one in Riki's quest, if we count the shenanigans regarding Red's stats as a gently caress you. Asellus's problems aren't at the rear end-end of the game, though. Also, all of the quests are easy with enough grinding. 
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Jul 18, 2014 03:03
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You said something about a sidequest, but that looked like just a normal dungeon exploration.
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Jul 18, 2014 05:31
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KataraniSword posted:Both of them have "gently caress you" moments easily as bad as the worst one in Riki's quest, if we count the shenanigans regarding Red's stats as a gently caress you. Asellus's problems aren't at the rear end-end of the game, though. Riki? Monsters are rear end, you're pretty much limited to them, and there's so many poo poo moments I can't decide what the gently caress you moment everybody talking about is, although if we're talking strictly endgame, then I do know and that is a bitch.
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Jul 18, 2014 05:52
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Riki, get it out of the way, so we can get to the good stuff afterwards!
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Jul 18, 2014 06:38
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Shitenshi posted:Yeah, I didn't even think of how goofy Red's quirks can be, but it's still fun, and there's not enough opportunities to abuse Red's button unless you go out of your way to cripple yourself, and that can be a drat chore in itself with the way Red works. Whaaat, I don't get you guys, Red was the easiest for me. Probably because I got DSC for my first and only time during my first playthrough, and no boss lasted longer than a couple turns. It helps if you swoled the gently caress up and pillaged the gently caress out of Sei's tomb during your stop in Shrike (recruiting Cotton helps, it gives Death Knights another target  ). Leveling up too much makes the fights during the pirate boarding much harder thoughShitenshi posted:Probably wouldn't even have made it past the Devil Squid or whatever the gently caress he was called if I didn't snag Asura though, forget the Sages. I pity you if you didn't swole the gently caress up during your stay at the castle hackbunny fucked around with this message at 09:33 on Jul 18, 2014 |
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hackbunny posted:Whaaat, I don't get you guys, Red was the easiest for me. Probably because I got DSC for my first and only time during my first playthrough, and no boss lasted longer than a couple turns. It helps if you swoled the gently caress up and pillaged the gently caress out of Sei's tomb during your stop in Shrike (recruiting Cotton helps, it gives Death Knights another target Red's only really difficult on a first playthrough, when you may not realize that his transformation deprives him of any post-battle stat/magic/gun tech gains. If you abuse your crutch, you don't get any stronger.
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Jul 18, 2014 09:34
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Glazius posted:You said something about a sidequest, but that looked like just a normal dungeon exploration. It probably is closer to that. I just kind of got used to referring to any sort of doing a dungeon to completion a "sidequest" regardless of whether or not there's a goal greater than "get to the end" Also, Red's quest is pretty great but there is one huge dick move that actually prevented me from beating it the first time through, but that's a story for when we get there. It's still no comparison to the constant and varied dick moves that Riki's quest throws at you.
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Jul 18, 2014 15:02
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KataraniSword posted:Red's only really difficult on a first playthrough, when you may not realize that his transformation deprives him of any post-battle stat/magic/gun tech gains. If you abuse your crutch, you don't get any stronger.
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Jul 18, 2014 17:39
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dude789 posted:It probably is closer to that. I just kind of got used to referring to any sort of doing a dungeon to completion a "sidequest" regardless of whether or not there's a goal greater than "get to the end" This pretty much is just Sidequest: The Game after all.
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Jul 18, 2014 18:05
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Shitenshi posted:It only works when everybody is knocked out save Mechs right? There are some fights where you start with a full party and knocking everybody out just to use it is annoying enough, and his crutch alone isn't enough to win, so you'd have to make it even more arduous by reviving everybody from scratch after using it. At least he gets FinalCrusade which is your get out of jail free card in that situation. Still a pain though. However, I think it's a really fun button to use, no matter how inconvenient. I'm sure Dude will have plenty to say on it when we get there though. If he survives the pain of Riki, that is. 
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Jul 18, 2014 20:38
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Shitenshi posted:It only works when everybody is knocked out save Mechs right? There are some fights where you start with a full party and knocking everybody out just to use it is annoying enough, and his crutch alone isn't enough to win, so you'd have to make it even more arduous by reviving everybody from scratch after using it. I think if they're paralyzed or messed it can work too.
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Jul 18, 2014 20:38
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I'm just thinking how much it would suck to have completed several stories with system data and all and then get to Lute, save in the final dungeon without knowing what you're doing. Oh god I'm crying just thinking about it.
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Jul 18, 2014 21:23
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FeyerbrandX posted:I think if they're paralyzed or messed it can work too. In a stunning display of using loopholes to better serve you, I think it even works when they're merely blind, too.
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Jul 18, 2014 23:07
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Kliff posted:In a stunning display of using loopholes to better serve you, I think it even works when they're merely blind, too. I wish there were shades that auto blinded your characters. That would have been perfect.
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Jul 18, 2014 23:42
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Shitenshi posted:It only works when everybody is knocked out save Mechs right? There are some fights where you start with a full party and knocking everybody out just to use it is annoying enough, and his crutch alone isn't enough to win, so you'd have to make it even more arduous by reviving everybody from scratch after using it. Nope. (spoiled in case OP wants to talk about it later) As long as they're blinded, messed, paralyzed or asleep, in other words unable to see clearly or look at Red, you can use that move.
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Jul 18, 2014 23:47
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Shwqa posted:I wish there were shades that auto blinded your characters. That would have been perfect. Actually, if Dark Shift or Light Shift had the additional effect of letting you change immediately after it was cast. It'd make Space Magic worth while.
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Jul 18, 2014 23:48
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Shitenshi posted:I'm just thinking how much it would suck to have completed several stories with system data and all and then get to Lute, save in the final dungeon without knowing what you're doing. I think you could still use the system data and start over with Lute. The game isn't that cruel is it?
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Shwqa posted:When I first played this game as a kid I picked riki as my very first pc. Holy crap trying to learn this game with riki is a nightmare. I would have quit right there if I didn't see my brother playing with blue. Same here. I picked him because he was a cool green monster and the game proceeded to murder me for it. I don't think I've ever successfully beaten a SaGa story though, so I might just be bad.
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