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http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/07/19/business/media/nbc-correspondent-ayman-mohyeldin-is-returned-to-gaza.html?_r=1&referrer=quote:NBC Correspondent Ayman Mohyeldin Is Returned to Gaza
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Jul 19, 2014 02:30
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sugar free jazz posted:
Entire armored columns could invade Israel through there.
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Jul 19, 2014 02:35
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Tezzor posted:http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/07/19/business/media/nbc-correspondent-ayman-mohyeldin-is-returned-to-gaza.html?_r=1&referrer= Our news must be factual with no human emotions whatsoever. Also, only the facts we like.
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Jul 19, 2014 02:36
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Orange Devil posted:Our news must be factual with no human emotions whatsoever. Also, only the facts we like. Not to mention only the emotions they want shown.
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Jul 19, 2014 02:37
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If the reality of the devastation of Gaza wasn't so depressing, I'd almost enjoy the profound irony of a Jewish state dehumanizing, concentrating and disproportionately crushing a group of helpless people. And propagandizing it. It's too absurd for description.
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Jul 19, 2014 02:48
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The irony won't have peaked until we have Israeli officials openly talking about the need for a final solution to the Palestinian problem.
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Jul 19, 2014 02:50
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New Division posted:The irony won't have peaked until we have Israeli officials openly talking about the need for a final solution to the Palestinian problem. They already tend to go on about the need for lebensraum, though usually they have the good sense to keep it at one remove.
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Jul 19, 2014 02:53
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How many years are we way from that poo poo, since I'm of the opinion that it's only a matter of time now.
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Jul 19, 2014 02:54
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We're pretty much at peak irony is dead by this point. I mean this whole current crisis occurred because three teens were murdered and the response has been to vaporize three hundred poors so it is kind of beyond ridiculous.
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Jul 19, 2014 02:55
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Let's just hope Israel never finds a way to weaponise irony
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Jul 19, 2014 02:57
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Berke Negri posted:We're pretty much at peak irony is dead by this point. mango sentinel fucked around with this message at 03:37 on Jul 19, 2014 |
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Jul 19, 2014 02:59
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Berke Negri posted:Don't forget the Wall fell because the Muslims were too busy making their crazy loud music and clapping. in the books it stays upright but then israel falls into civil war because they let some of the palestinians in
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Jul 19, 2014 03:41
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CommieGIR posted:THE ENTIRE GAZA STRIP IS ONE GIANT, PACKED HUMAN SHIELD. I actually do wonder if the hasbara posters coordinate so they can take breaks and pretend its a "new" conversation when they repeat the same stuff again and again or if its actually just coincidence and/or social-cueing. To Battle posted:To be fair, The Jews who really live by the Torah hate Israel as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6RMBQzI_qk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=al3DhJh3-1U
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Jul 19, 2014 03:54
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Pappyland posted:I really hate to admit this, but I feel woefully inadequate on the Israel/Palestine subject after having read the last few dozen pages. Is there a good primer to read through to get a full handle on the subject? I'd definitely like to know what books, sources or twitter accounts I should check out to get past my extremely limited American understanding of the conflict. I do remember reading the Palestine graphic novel and having that make me feel much more sympathetic to the Palestinians.
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Jul 19, 2014 03:54
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gently caress trophy 2k14 posted:in the books it stays upright The most unrealistic part of that book isn't the zombies or the laser guns or the Chinese Kessler-syndome-gently caress-everyone space bomb or even Colin Powell winning the presidency with Howard Dean as his VP. It's the Israeli government learning that a world-destroying plague is about to hit and graciously deciding to save the Palestinians from it just because.
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Jul 19, 2014 03:55
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Sushi in Yiddish posted:I'd definitely like to know what books, sources or twitter accounts I should check out to get past my extremely limited American understanding of the conflict. I do remember reading the Palestine graphic novel and having that make me feel much more sympathetic to the Palestinians. If you want books that actually go into the conflict a little further, these are some good ones I enjoyed. The Question of Palestine - Edward Said The Holocaust Industry - Norman Finkelstein A Death in Jerusalem - Kati Marton Jimmy Carter's book is not bad either. These books each deal with a different topic from the conflict but do a great job doing so. Less Claypool fucked around with this message at 04:28 on Jul 19, 2014 |
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Jul 19, 2014 04:24
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"Palestinians Prepare for Massive Ground Invasion" - The Onion the onion is not being funny.
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Er, might not want to recommend The Holocaust Industry.
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Jul 19, 2014 04:31
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FAUXTON posted:"Palestinians Prepare for Massive Ground Invasion" - The Onion daaaaamn
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Gideon Levy is one of the few supporters of peace left in Israeli media. Here's snippets from his latest.quote:The man came right up close to me, to the point where I could smell his fetid breath. He took a wad of bills out of his pocket and peeled off a few green 20-shekel (almost $6) notes. I should use them to buy myself an apartment in the Gaza Strip, he told me. “Go to Gaza,” the man said, seething with anger and barely suppressed violence. quote:A visitor here [to Ashkelon] is struck immediately by two major differences between Operation Protective Edge and its two reprisal predecessors, Cast Lead and Pillar of Defense. The atmosphere in the streets and in people’s homes is a little more secure and less panicky – thanks to the Iron Dome system – but at the same time it is far more violent, nationalistic, religious, militaristic and, above all, aggressive and intolerant. quote:In no time at all, a crowd gathered, radiating waves of loathing and suppressed violence that seemed as if they would erupt at any moment. The comments were vulgar, crude, unfit to be printed. “You human being, you rear end-f-----” was the gentlest and most tender epithet I heard.
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FAUXTON posted:"Palestinians Prepare for Massive Ground Invasion" - The Onion Gaza Bunkers.
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Lum_ posted:Gideon Levy is one of the few supporters of peace left in Israeli media. Here's snippets from his latest.  Some real bad flashbacks to directly post 9/11 poo poo here in the states in there. I hope to god he doesn't actually get lynched or attacked.
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Sushi in Yiddish posted:I'd definitely like to know what books, sources or twitter accounts I should check out to get past my extremely limited American understanding of the conflict. I do remember reading the Palestine graphic novel and having that make me feel much more sympathetic to the Palestinians. For an in-depth debunking of the common claim that "Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity", and that they walked away from an offer for a Palestinian state, Clayton E. Swisher's The Truth About Camp David is a good read, compiling a number of interviews with insiders in the negotiations. Saree Makdisi's Palestine Inside Out: An Everyday Occupation is a good account of life in the West Bank for Palestinians under occupation, and helps explain why the occupation is creating militancy among the Palestinians. Despite the barbarity of military actions like the one currently devastating the Gaza Strip, the day-to-day oppression of the Palestinians is equally responsible for the state of the conflict. For an account of the settlers, their historic and contemporary role in Israeli politics, and the effects they have on the West Bank, Zertal and Eldar's Lords of the Land: The War Over Israel's Settlements in the Occupied Territories, 1967-2007 is an extremely good account of the effects they have had on the conflict, their role in Israeli domestic politics, and so on. For an account of the history of the conflict, there are two great books on the topic. The first, David Fromkin's A Peace to End All Peace: The Fall of the Ottoman Empire and the Creation of the Modern Middle East provides a history of European intervention in the region. While not super-useful for understanding the conflict in general, it provides some important background information as to how we arrived at this point that is fundamental to understanding some of the nuances of the conflict, and it reads a lot like the script for a Coen Brothers dark (dark, dark) comedy. The second, Avi Schlaim's The Iron Wall: Israel and the Arab World provides information that is absolutely essential to understanding the conflict. If you are going to read only a single book on the topic, it should be this one. An updated edition is coming out in October, though, so you might want to get your copy from the library in the meantime. If you're interested in some information disputing the "Where was the Palestinians FLAG?!?" bullshit that crops up from time-to-time, you may be interested in George Antonius' 1939 book The Arab Awakening: The Story of the Arab National Movement, which provides an account of Arab nationalism that predates Israel's foundation. Norman Finkelstein has written a number of really good books on the topic, but This Time We Went Too Far: Truth and Consequences of the Gaza Invasion might be of particular interest; it compiles information from a number of sources on the topic, most importantly the UN-commissioned Goldstone Report. I've seen the anti-Palestinian camp casually dismiss Robert Fisk, but Pity the Nation: The Abduction of Lebanon was an absolutely incredible account of the invasion of Lebanon in my opinion, and it debunks a number of common myths surrounding the attack. This is ignoring some of the more "classic" texts on the subject, from Chomsky and Said in particular, but it's a good starting point for anyone looking to have a solid grasp of what's happening. EDIT: I didn't include him because Sushi in Yiddish already mentioned his work, but for those of you who are unfamiliar with Joe Sacco, his 'graphic journalism' is incredible stuff. Topical to Israel/Palestine are Palestine and Footnotes from Gaza, both of which are incredible reads and landmarks in comics journalism. The Easy Rider fucked around with this message at 05:16 on Jul 19, 2014 |
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Jul 19, 2014 05:09
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Thanks guys, I've got some reading to do. Yeah, Sacco's Palestine was pretty much the only thing I had ever read in or out of school that was critical of Israel policy and showed the Palestinians were just regular folks.
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Jul 19, 2014 05:24
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This earth will grow cold, a star among stars and one of the smallest, a gilded mote on blue velvet— I mean this, our great earth. This earth will grow cold one day, not like a block of ice or a dead cloud even but like an empty walnut it will roll along in pitch-black space . . . You must grieve for this right now —you have to feel this sorrow now— for the world must be loved this much if you’re going to say “I lived”. . .
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Darth Windu posted:Er, might not want to recommend The Holocaust Industry. What's wrong with that book?
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Jul 19, 2014 05:35
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Petey posted:Whether or not the fear of Hamas' rockets is real to Israelis, that fear can seem real to American sympathizers. It's very legible. And you have to account for that - if persuasion is your goal, which it may not be. Whether or not the fear of the rockets is real to Israelis? If it's not a real fear to Israelis, why would Israelis be saying they fear for their lives and the lives of their families? Their fear may not warrant the scale of the military response to the rockets, but that's a very different thing from suggesting it's insincere.
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In a move that will be panned by literally no Western country, France has decided to ban all pro-Palestine protests.quote:But Michele Sibony, of the Jewish Union for Peace, said: ‘By outlawing free speech by pro-Palestinian demonstrators, France puts itself in a unique position in the world and Europe.’ quote:In fact videos showed armed vigilantes from a group called the Jewish Defence League (LDJ) baiting demonstrators into fights.
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 at people in the thread discovering Brother Nathanael. He really should have a thread all to himself.The Insect Court posted:Whether or not the fear of the rockets is real to Israelis? If it's not a real fear to Israelis, why would Israelis be saying they fear for their lives and the lives of their families? Their fear may not warrant the scale of the military response to the rockets, but that's a very different thing from suggesting it's insincere. Because they are disingenuous liars and killers poisoned by sociopathy on a national level. e: and before you descend into tu quoque, they're certainly not the first people to fall prey to it. The rhetoric reminds me most closely of American anti-Chinese sentiment in the 19th century, with the added perversion that Israeli citizens are employing nativist rhetoric when they themselves are the immigrant hordes. woke wedding drone fucked around with this message at 05:51 on Jul 19, 2014 |
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Jul 19, 2014 05:49
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SedanChair posted:
I really don't know quite how to respond to someone who expresses a belief that Israelis are essentially monsters incapable of human emotion. Jewish mothers in Israel love their children as much as Arab mothers in Palestine, Sedanchair.
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The Insect Court posted:Whether or not the fear of the rockets is real to Israelis? If it's not a real fear to Israelis, why would Israelis be saying they fear for their lives and the lives of their families? Their fear may not warrant the scale of the military response to the rockets, but that's a very different thing from suggesting it's insincere. It may be a real fear in their hearts, but it doesn't mean it's justifiable or based in fact. Is the fear of autism-induced vaccination fear "real?" It's arguable either way.
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Terebus posted:What's wrong with that book? Norman Finklestein is widely considered...somewhat biased. Even from neutral sources I've heard that he is pretty anti-Semitic, or self-hating if you care about terms like that.
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Jul 19, 2014 05:56
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In addition to the books mentioned above, here are some I highly recommend. Ilan Pappé is an Israeli historian and a hero. The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by Ilan Pappé Gaza in Crisis: Reflections on Israel's War Against the Palestinians by Noam Chomsky and Ilan Pappé
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Also somehow no one has mentioned the classic book on the subject of US support for Israel yet, which is a must-read: http://www.amazon.com/Israel-Lobby-U-S-Foreign-Policy-ebook/dp/B000UZQIF6/ref=pd_sim_b_9?ie=UTF8&refRID=05WS6Z87V44ZD75NVGPN along with the collected works of Edward Said (Joe Sacco too)
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The Insect Court posted:I really don't know quite how to respond to someone who expresses a belief that Israelis are essentially monsters incapable of human emotion. They hate Arab mothers in Palestine. They may not be inhuman but neither are they humanists. Arabs and especially Arab Palestinians are not within the moral sphere of Israelis.
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Darth Windu posted:Norman Finklestein is widely considered...somewhat biased. Even from neutral sources I've heard that he is pretty anti-Semitic, or self-hating if you care about terms like that. http://youtu.be/cNQSV3BBtZ4?t=1m20s
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Finkelstein is completely unbiased, he is what lack of bias looks and sounds like. All accusations towards him are from propaganda and racism, or capitulation to the belief that Zionist racism should be coddled instead of wiped out.The Insect Court posted:I really don't know quite how to respond to someone who expresses a belief that Israelis are essentially monsters incapable of human emotion. Anyone who expresses beliefs that a whole people should be exterminated while living in comfort and security is a beast, hth
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The Insect Court posted:Jewish mothers in Israel love their children as much as Arab mothers in Palestine, Sedanchair. Only one of those groups of mothers are watching their children die.
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