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The Usos are the watered down Young Bucks, there's no argument about it. It's the same style, but Usos use the WWE style instead of the Indy style, so they have a lot less flashy spots and moves, but they still have false finishes, high-spots, and superkicks everywhere. And Payback last night was awful, it might as well have been a Smackdown taping as little actually happened on the show. It was clearly filler for Summerslam, but other than a good Uso/Wyatt match literally nothing progressed at all, it just served to extend every on-going feud. The Miz won the IC title, and I couldn't be forced to care any less. He's one of those guys who are either great (His US Title run where he cut his walking promo) or he's got "Go the gently caress away" heat like he does right now.
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Rodney the Piper posted:Because The Young Bucks aren't known for doing the same spot multiple times in a match. First of all, even if they were as stale, it's easier to get away with it as an underexposed team with very little carryover from match to match in terms of viewers. The Usos are stale in front of the same couple million people every week. That's if the Young Bucks were stale, which they aren't, because they're always thinking up fresh spots. They're more creative and athletic than the Usos, but the Usos certainly look more "WWE".
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Jul 21, 2014 16:11
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The Usos are exactly what the Young Bucks would be if they were forced to work WWE style.
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Jul 21, 2014 16:12
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sportsgenius86 posted:The Usos are exactly what the Young Bucks would be if they were forced to work WWE style. The Young Bucks wouldn't be getting pushed as the John Cenas of the tag division.
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Jul 21, 2014 16:15
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Yeah I really don't see how you can criticize the Usos for recycling spots... that's what WWE has wanted forever. Watch a Rock or Austin match sometime. If anything, Uso tag matches have been consistently fast-paced and exciting, I generally find them to be a highlight of whatever card they're on. Seeing as how they get pretty much zero mic time and storylines, they're actually pretty over with the crowd too.
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triplexpac posted:Seeing as how they get pretty much zero mic time and storylines, they're actually pretty over with the crowd too. Yeah it's really a great showcase of the fact that mediocre to decent workers can get over without awful soap opera storylines if the announcers put them over as if they're a big deal, they get consistent 15+ minute matches against quality opponents and rack up wins. (Also see; Ryback)
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Jul 21, 2014 16:21
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Paulocaust posted:The Young Bucks wouldn't be getting pushed as the John Cenas of the tag division. They aren't pushed as the John Cenas of the tag division. There is no tag division.
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OctoberCountry posted:They aren't pushed as the John Cenas of the tag division. There is no tag division. Touché
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OctoberCountry posted:They aren't pushed as the John Cenas of the tag division. There is no tag division.
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Jul 21, 2014 16:28
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sportsgenius86 posted:Because you don't build to a Sting Wrestlemania match by blowing the reaction in a convoluted match he'll lose. I guess that's true if Sting is only going to have one match. I think I'd prefer to see him have a few 'dream' matches. 
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Jul 21, 2014 16:29
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I missed the match, apparently Swagger vs Rusev wasn't very good last night? It's really too bad, Rusev has everything going for him but the in-ring work. Hopefully he clicks soon, I love when WWE has a big monster guy who can go in the ring.
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Jul 21, 2014 16:30
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triplexpac posted:I missed the match, apparently Swagger vs Rusev wasn't very good last night? It was very good, but the finish was a little underwhelming.
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Jul 21, 2014 16:31
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triplexpac posted:I missed the match, apparently Swagger vs Rusev wasn't very good last night? I thought it was a really good, hard hitting match, but I tempered my expectations because neither guy is really known for being a good singles worker. Also, I have no problems with the finish as long as they carry the feud to Summerslam, where Rusev should win clean.
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Jul 21, 2014 16:33
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Red posted:I guess that's true if Sting is only going to have one match. Sting himself has said he wants to only do one more match.
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Basic Chunnel posted:Posting a daily mail link is more or less the adult news equivalent of posting a LordsofPain link regarding industry rumors. If they "report" on something it's because they want it to be newsworthy, not because it is newsworthy. We'll see how it shakes out. OK then, how about the Washington Post? http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...o-over-so-well/
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dsriggs posted:OK then, how about the Washington Post? The Washington Post is literally Pravda.
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What is all this "backlash" they are speaking of? A small minority of twitter people needing something to get upset about like usual? I'm really getting tired of this overly sensitive fabricated backlash. There was no problem with what Lana said at all, and I hope Vince has the balls to keep plowing forward with this angle.
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sportsgenius86 posted:They're absolutely not above complete and total pettiness. My problem in attributing this situation to pettiness is that I cannot even fathom a reason why you'd be petty toward Cesaro. This is purely wild speculation here, but: Dunn is probably working double overtime to convince Vince that HHH's ideas are terrible and that he has signed some terrible wrestlers since taking over Talent Relations, and that Vince should definitely not turn over control of WWE to HHH when he finally leaves (because HHH makes bad decisions and signs terrible wrestlers). 
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triplexpac posted:I missed the match, apparently Swagger vs Rusev wasn't very good last night? The sad part was that it was the third best match of the night, tying with AJ Vs. Paige.
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http://www.sbnation.com/2014/7/21/5922411/the-iron-sheik-roasted-rumble-los-angelesquote:Tom "Tiny" Lister, Jr., indispensable character actor and onetime foe of Hulk Hogan under the ring name of "Zeus," kept taking to the stage, insisting the crowd chant "Deebo" for him (after his character in Friday), choking host "Hollywood" Stu Stone, demanding the crowd cheer for the current WWE product despite no one in attendance being currently affiliated with the company, then disappearing again. quote:Brody Stevens told hyper-specific Los Angeles-based geography insults before getting up in the Sheik's grill, getting hit in the face by Sheik's walking stick (which was either a complete surprise to everyone or the best pro wrestling performance of all time) and placed in the camel clutch by wrestler Shad Gaspard. quote:there was only one Chris Benoit joke.
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Jul 21, 2014 17:00
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Tir McDohl posted:The sad part was that it was the third best match of the night, tying with AJ Vs. Paige. I was looking more forward to AJ vs Paige than anything else on the card but having Dean wreck the ppv.
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Jul 21, 2014 17:01
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triplexpac posted:I missed the match, apparently Swagger vs Rusev wasn't very good last night? Well, I think he and Swagger are not the best match, they both work a style that needs someone to react to them. A hoss vs. hoss battle can work but it takes some skill.
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So, is there any logical reason why Jericho was booked over Wyatt clean? I assume they're just going to have Wyatt win in a rematch at Summerslam, but given what Chris Jericho is in 2014 wouldn't it make sense just to put Wyatt over twice? Do they think that just having Jericho lose every match he comes back for will cheapen Wyatt's eventual victory? I just can't really wrap my head around it.
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Jul 21, 2014 17:24
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I think Big Dave said Jericho's in for 3 PPVs, so I imagine we'll see two Wyatt wins before Jericho leaves.
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Professor Funk posted:So, is there any logical reason why Jericho was booked over Wyatt clean? I assume they're just going to have Wyatt win in a rematch at Summerslam, but given what Chris Jericho is in 2014 wouldn't it make sense just to put Wyatt over twice? Do they think that just having Jericho lose every match he comes back for will cheapen Wyatt's eventual victory? I just can't really wrap my head around it. I suspect they're going to repeat the Cena program, but Bray goes over during Night of Champions.
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Professor Funk posted:So, is there any logical reason why Jericho was booked over Wyatt clean? I assume they're just going to have Wyatt win in a rematch at Summerslam, but given what Chris Jericho is in 2014 wouldn't it make sense just to put Wyatt over twice? Do they think that just having Jericho lose every match he comes back for will cheapen Wyatt's eventual victory? I just can't really wrap my head around it. It's probably going to be a three match feud with a rubber match at NOC, which will be promoted heavily because it's the first PPV after WrestleMania network subscriptions are up. They don't want Bray to lose at the big shows but don't want him to beat Jericho three times in a row, so he loses at the filler show where the fewest people will be watching. It makes sense, but doing it clean was stupid.
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Professor Funk posted:So, is there any logical reason why Jericho was booked over Wyatt clean? I assume they're just going to have Wyatt win in a rematch at Summerslam, but given what Chris Jericho is in 2014 wouldn't it make sense just to put Wyatt over twice? Do they think that just having Jericho lose every match he comes back for will cheapen Wyatt's eventual victory? I just can't really wrap my head around it. e: actually SummerSlam is next, right? It's better to have Wyatt win on a Big Four PPV.
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Ah, I didn't realize he was going to be doing NOC as well. It makes a little bit more sense, then.
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Pinstripe Hourglass posted:It's probably going to be a three match feud with a rubber match at NOC, which will be promoted heavily because it's the first PPV after WrestleMania network subscriptions are up. They don't want Bray to lose at the big shows but don't want him to beat Jericho three times in a row, so he loses at the filler show where the fewest people will be watching. how should Jericho have won? Botched interference, I guess, but otherwise I don't think a dirty win is a good idea for Jericho's face character and I think a slip on a banana peel finish would have been worse.
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Cole sounded like he was stunned Jericho managed to beat Bray, so there's that, I guess.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLfMpocwQFQ I believe in you, Heath.
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Jericho really needed a win as he's been jobber to the stars lately and hard to take seriously, but at the same time Wyatt also needs A LOT of huge wins. I don't think this feud does anything for Wyatt unless he crushes Jericho cleanly. The Wyatt family interference has gotten very old.
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Professor Funk posted:So, is there any logical reason why Jericho was booked over Wyatt clean? Dave said something about it maybe being because they dropped the Rollins vs Ambrose match. Since people were excited for that match and WWE knew they'd be disappointed with it being off, they booked the face to go over in Jericho vs Wyatt. And also yeah, because it's a 3 match series so Bray can take the final two wins and the first match will be a distant memory.
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triplexpac posted:Dave said something about it maybe being because they dropped the Rollins vs Ambrose match. Since people were excited for that match and WWE knew they'd be disappointed with it being off, they booked the face to go over in Jericho vs Wyatt. Yeah, it makes more sense to me now that I realize they're going to work three matches instead of two; I thought Jericho was done after SS instead of NOC. What Wyatt needs is two dominant, clean wins over Jericho, but I'm pretty skeptical that WWE will give them to him (even though I imagine Jericho would be more than willing to get dominated two matches in a row).
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You can try to rehab Bray, but you'll never wash the stink of that Cena feud off. Cena is Wyatt's antithesis, and to have him lose 3 in a row, even with interference from his goons, and just give up and forget about Cena goes against the grain of his character. Also it makes him look like a true chump.
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Paulocaust posted:You can try to rehab Bray, but you'll never wash the stink of that Cena feud off. Cena is Wyatt's antithesis, and to have him lose 3 in a row, even with interference from his goons, and just give up and forget about Cena goes against the grain of his character. Also it makes him look like a true chump. This is one area where WWE has trouble. In normal storytelling, or in the territory days, when the babyface finally beats the top heel the heel is then gone for a while. He doesn't just stick around and move onto a lesser feud. Bray could easily be rehabbed if he just went away for 3 months then came back in a huge way. But when he's around every show and we remember him losing to Cena it doesn't do him any favours.
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The general "poo poo" period between SS (ok, I guess NOC this time due to it being made a big show for renewals) and the Rumble will interesting this year assuming sub retention is crap. Assuming I don't renew I'm expecting a flood of "RE-UP NOW AND GET PROMOTION X" type stuff during October.
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MIZZ is a top bad guy, and I for one am very excited for his 3 year IC title run.
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Paulocaust posted:You can try to rehab Bray, but you'll never wash the stink of that Cena feud off. Cena is Wyatt's antithesis, and to have him lose 3 in a row, even with interference from his goons, and just give up and forget about Cena goes against the grain of his character. Also it makes him look like a true chump. triplexpac posted:This is one area where WWE has trouble. It'd be a lot safer for workers too, using them seasonally and sending them to NXT so they don't get rust. The brand split dissolving hurt a lot of the talent, because now there's just so many people who never get screen time because every single show (Including Superstars) is just used as the RAW recap and filler for stuff between RAW to RAW.
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