Skyler White really was an insufferable cunt.

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Falukorv: Jun 23, 2013; A funny little mouse!

indigi posted:

also Walt never really came across to me as "evil" like Dom Eladio or even Gus did sometimes; he never killed anyone to make a point or intentionally harmed innocents, and he was pretty willing to put himself in mortal danger to protect people (Jesse, his family, Hank, innocent children [he knew Brock would be ok]).

He gambled with Brocks life, no matter what he thinks he knows. Plant poisons on children isn't such an exact science that you can dose a child with a large enough dose to give life threatening symptoms but yet be confident that it isn't enough to kill them. Specially since individuals (and especially children) react differently depending on a whole bunch of factors.

Walt isn't a doctor, doesn't know the kids medical history, and how much data is there really on LD50 doses for lilium convallis poison on children to even approximate a dose that will have him ALMOST dying, but totally on the safe margin for not actually dying?

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TOILETLORD: Nov 13, 2012; by XyloJW

Falukorv posted:

He gambled with Brocks life, no matter what he thinks he knows. Plant poisons on children isn't such an exact science that you can dose a child with a large enough dose to give life threatening symptoms but yet be confident that it isn't enough to kill them. Specially since individuals (and especially children) react differently depending on a whole bunch of factors.

Walt isn't a doctor, doesn't know the kids medical history, and how much data is there really on LD50 doses for lilium convallis poison on children to even approximate a dose that will have him ALMOST dying, but totally on the safe margin for not actually dying?

kids die nonstop all day every day world wide, who cares about brock a fake kid who got fake sick.

# ? Jul 22, 2014 23:58

Decrepus: May 21, 2008; In the end, his dominion did not touch a single poster.

HOW DID HE GET THE RICIN IN THE PACKET?

# ? Jul 23, 2014 00:00

BottledBodhisvata: Jul 26, 2013; by Lowtax

^^^--Huel stole it

dontcareaboutname posted:

kids die nonstop all day every day world wide, who cares about brock a fake kid who got fake sick.

I think you're slightly missing the point

# ? Jul 23, 2014 00:01

TOILETLORD: Nov 13, 2012; by XyloJW

BottledBodhisvata posted:

^^^--Huel stole it

I think you're slightly missing the point

yes? people bitch too much about fake evil when talking about breaking bad. like little kids who can't tell a movie is fake. really the proper answer to any question is what will make a goon mad.

TOILETLORD fucked around with this message at 00:06 on Jul 23, 2014

# ? Jul 23, 2014 00:03

Emanuel Collective: Jan 16, 2008; by Smythe

best scene of breaking bad imo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKAzfd8oTWs

# ? Jul 23, 2014 00:16

Twee as Fuck: Nov 13, 2012; by Lowtax

they did that in one take when you see walt looking up surprised and walking away it's actually the actor thinking 'holy poo poo how did that happen?'

# ? Jul 23, 2014 00:18

Justin Godscock: Oct 12, 2004; Listen here, funnyman!

The only time I ever hated one of BB's female characters was when Marie denied thievery to Skylar but that was the show trying to get hate-on for a character. Otherwise, if you call any of the BB's actresses a "oval office" you need to go outside and stop the hermitting because nearly everyone in BB is a shade of grey, amoral or capable of horrible things in some way and Skylar is no different.

# ? Jul 23, 2014 00:18

BottledBodhisvata: Jul 26, 2013; by Lowtax

dontcareaboutname posted:

yes? people bitch too much about fake evil when talking about breaking bad. like little kids who can't tell a movie is fake. really the proper answer to any question is what will make a goon mad.

I mean literally by this argument you can't possibly give a poo poo about ANYTHING that happens in any work of fiction ever.

# ? Jul 23, 2014 00:28

General Dog: Apr 26, 2008; Everybody's working for the weekend

Walt did nothing wrong

# ? Jul 23, 2014 00:31

Blazing Ownager: Jun 2, 2007; by FactsAreUseless

Emanuel Collective posted:

best scene of breaking bad imo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKAzfd8oTWs

I still love how that was the first take, with a real pizza. They wanted one take with that before they used a rubber one to pull it off.

Never needed the rubber ones.

Beaten utterly. No idea how I missed that earlier post.

Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 00:37 on Jul 23, 2014

# ? Jul 23, 2014 00:34

Panzeh: Nov 27, 2006; "..The high ground"

Walt is pretty much a great american hero.

# ? Jul 23, 2014 00:42

babypolis: Nov 4, 2009

dontcareaboutname posted:

yes? people bitch too much about fake evil when talking about breaking bad. like little kids who can't tell a movie is fake. really the proper answer to any question is what will make a goon mad.

you sound like a big retard

also skyler was very important to the show, in particular season 5a is basically all about skyler and it owns, yall suck for thinking shes boring

also marie owns and had the best line in the show, "just kill yourself" marie haters are even dumber than skyler haters

# ? Jul 23, 2014 00:47

ArbitraryC: Jan 28, 2009; Pick a number, any number; Pillbug

babypolis posted:

also skyler was very important to the show, in particular season 5a is basically all about skyler and it owns, yall suck for thinking shes boring

She gets better as time goes on for sure but your initial impression of her is pretty bad and it takes a while before walt's actions go from morally grey to clearly bad so you kind of root for him and are annoyed at her. Then it just gets worse and worse and you start to sympathize with her more and more so I walked away thinking she was a pretty good character.

# ? Jul 23, 2014 00:53

BottledBodhisvata: Jul 26, 2013; by Lowtax

ArbitraryC posted:

She gets better as time goes on for sure but your initial impression of her is pretty bad and it takes a while before walt's actions go from morally grey to clearly bad so you kind of root for him and are annoyed at her. Then it just gets worse and worse and you start to sympathize with her more and more so I walked away thinking she was a pretty good character.

The whole first season is this though, every character BESIDES Walt is a fairly shallow caricature, and this largely includes Jesse although he gets much better as the season goes on.

Breaking Bad doesn't really get great until season 2's last half (The first half of season 2 is maybe the worst).

# ? Jul 23, 2014 03:41

babypolis: Nov 4, 2009

something cool about breaking bad is that it gets better every season with the exception of season 2 maybe, and ends on a high note

# ? Jul 23, 2014 03:48

red19fire: May 26, 2010

Panzeh posted:

Walt is pretty much a great american hero.

You could even make the argument that Walt is the truest form of chasing the American Dream, swinging for the fences with the tools he has available after playing by the rules for too long.

Walt is supposed to be an anti-hero like Vic Mackey on The Shield; at first they're both decent people who do bad things for the right reasons either for their families or to destroy worse enemies, then they eventually fully accept their corruption and turn to the darkness and destroy everything around them.

V. enlightening, thanks.

red19fire fucked around with this message at 05:04 on Jul 23, 2014

# ? Jul 23, 2014 04:22

Twee as Fuck: Nov 13, 2012; by Lowtax

red19fire posted:

You could even make the argument that Walt is the truest form of chasing the American Dream, swinging for the fences with the tools he has available after playing by the rules for too long.

Walt is supposed to be an anti-hero like Vic Mackey on The Shield; at first they're both decent people who do bad things for the right reasons either for their families or to destroy worse enemies, then they eventually fully accept their corruption and turn to the darkness and destroy everything around them.

youve managed to miss the point of both the shield and breaking bad lmao

# ? Jul 23, 2014 04:23

Hazed_blue: May 14, 2002

Skyler had her moments, but I simply can't forgive the cheating with Cousin Jeffrey. Who cares if he works for the parks department, that poo poo don't fly.

# ? Jul 23, 2014 06:34

TOILETLORD: Nov 13, 2012; by XyloJW

BottledBodhisvata posted:

I mean literally by this argument you can't possibly give a poo poo about ANYTHING that happens in any work of fiction ever.

i don't give a poo poo about most characters since lots of them are only there to move the story along, characters and plot are two different things. you can care about one and less about the other.

# ? Jul 23, 2014 06:40

TOILETLORD: Nov 13, 2012; by XyloJW

wait why does season 5 count when season 4 was the real end of the series, and season 5 was admittedly just mostly a fan fiction since fans wanted more and vince just kinda made it up to make people happy.

# ? Jul 23, 2014 06:42

babypolis: Nov 4, 2009

dontcareaboutname posted:

wait why does season 5 count when season 4 was the real end of the series, and season 5 was admittedly just mostly a fan fiction since fans wanted more and vince just kinda made it up to make people happy.

you suck dude

# ? Jul 23, 2014 06:43

Robo Reagan: Feb 12, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

Emanuel Collective posted:

best scene of breaking bad imo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKAzfd8oTWs

like how he double checked because the actor was surprised it made it on to the roof

# ? Jul 23, 2014 06:44

Carrion Luggage: Nov 24, 2006

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1skZKe3j41I

# ? Jul 23, 2014 06:45

FogHelmut: Dec 18, 2003

babypolis posted:

you suck dude

no its true

# ? Jul 23, 2014 12:49

Funkstar Deluxe: May 7, 2007; 「☆☆☆」

has anyone watched metastasis yet and if yes, how big a difference is there between metastasis' skyler blanco and breaking bad's skyler white?

# ? Jul 23, 2014 12:56

a star war betamax: Sep 17, 2011; by Lowtax; Gary’s Answer

friends watch porn posted:

has anyone watched metastasis yet and if yes, how big a difference is there between metastasis' skyler blanco and breaking bad's skyler white?

Yeah she says everythng in beaner talk

# ? Jul 23, 2014 13:46

paint dry: Feb 8, 2005

holy poo poo how did this thread get to 9 pages

seriously breaking bad is the dumbest most whitebread successful show of the last decade and in ten years time people will write articles with titles like "Why did we ever like that terrible show Breaking Bad"

# ? Jul 23, 2014 13:49

tiananman: Feb 6, 2005; Non-Headkins Splatoma

Twee as gently caress posted:

youve managed to miss the point of both the shield and breaking bad lmao

It's almost as if people who consume a ton of TV have no frame of reference outside of the medium. Like if they had ever taken a college literature course, or maybe even read a book or a play, they might get some clues about the characters in BB.

Walt is so obviously a tragic hero with very simple motivations that trying to argue about whether he's good or evil or bad or mean or misogynist is missing the whole point. He's conflicted between his love for his family and his desire to wrest control of his life, for sure, and those two motivations explain all of his behavior. His desire for control and his love for his family were aligned at first because of his cancer. That changes - something called "arc" for a character or "plot" for a narrative.

The simplest definition of a tragic hero is a man (usually) who is good (meaning, he has good intentions and acts accordingly) who is great (has some kind of superlative ability that makes him special/powerful/influential for the purposes of the story) who displays a fatal character flaw (usually a form of hubris) which ultimately causes their death/fall from grace.

For most of the series, you could argue Hank was a good man. He did everything for his family. He was obviously a great chemist and leveraged his ability to achieve really impressive feats.

Then he was driven by a desire to fully control his destiny; a foolish hubris. You can see his fall truly manifest when he's in the bunker with Saul while they're both awaiting their new identities. He realizes his aspirations to control everything are in vain.

BB wasn't some sort of political commentary or character study or discussion about the meth trade in New Mexico. It's not a critique of drug laws or a documentary. It's a classic, to the T, by the numbers, Greek/Shakespearean tragedy with some redemption thrown in at the end for the modern American TV viewer who likes happy endings.

edit: poo poo, Walt not hank

tiananman fucked around with this message at 14:34 on Jul 23, 2014

# ? Jul 23, 2014 13:53

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

tiananman posted:

Hank

# ? Jul 23, 2014 13:55

Funkstar Deluxe: May 7, 2007; 「☆☆☆」

tiananman posted:

It's almost as if people who consume a ton of TV have no frame of reference outside of the medium. Like if they had ever taken a college literature course, or maybe even read a book or a play, they might get some clues about the characters in BB.

Hank is so obviously a tragic hero with very simple motivations that trying to argue about whether he's good or evil or bad or mean or misogynist is missing the whole point. He's conflicted between his love for his family and his desire to wrest control of his life, for sure, and those two motivations explain all of his behavior. His desire for control and his love for his family were aligned at first because of his cancer. That changes - something called "arc" for a character or "plot" for a narrative.

The simplest definition of a tragic hero is a man (usually) who is good (meaning, he has good intentions and acts accordingly) who is great (has some kind of superlative ability that makes him special/powerful/influential for the purposes of the story) who displays a fatal character flaw (usually a form of hubris) which ultimately causes their death/fall from grace.

For most of the series, you could argue Hank was a good man. He did everything for his family. He was obviously a great chemist and leveraged his ability to achieve really impressive feats.

Then he was driven by a desire to fully control his destiny; a foolish hubris. You can see his fall truly manifest when he's in the bunker with Saul while they're both awaiting their new identities. He realizes his aspirations to control everything are in vain.

BB wasn't some sort of political commentary or character study or discussion about the meth trade in New Mexico. It's not a critique of drug laws or a documentary. It's a classic, to the T, by the numbers, Greek/Shakespearean tragedy with some redemption thrown in at the end for the modern American TV viewer who likes happy endings.

# ? Jul 23, 2014 13:59

Robo Reagan: Feb 12, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

paint dry posted:

holy poo poo how did this thread get to 9 pages

seriously breaking bad is the dumbest most whitebread successful show of the last decade and in ten years time people will write articles with titles like "Why did we ever like that terrible show Breaking Bad"

Wats you're fave show

# ? Jul 23, 2014 14:05

Frostwerks: Sep 24, 2007; by Lowtax

walt jr shoots his father walt sr dead on the toilet

# ? Jul 23, 2014 14:34

TOILETLORD: Nov 13, 2012; by XyloJW

would of been great if walt junior, became a street racer with the car walt got him and got real crippled and tossed in a wheel chair.

# ? Jul 23, 2014 15:32

Biplane: Jul 18, 2005

tiananman posted:

It's almost as if people who consume a ton of TV have no frame of reference outside of the medium. Like if they had ever taken a college literature course, or maybe even read a book or a play, they might get some clues about the characters in BB.

Walt is so obviously a tragic hero with very simple motivations that trying to argue about whether he's good or evil or bad or mean or misogynist is missing the whole point. He's conflicted between his love for his family and his desire to wrest control of his life, for sure, and those two motivations explain all of his behavior. His desire for control and his love for his family were aligned at first because of his cancer. That changes - something called "arc" for a character or "plot" for a narrative.

The simplest definition of a tragic hero is a man (usually) who is good (meaning, he has good intentions and acts accordingly) who is great (has some kind of superlative ability that makes him special/powerful/influential for the purposes of the story) who displays a fatal character flaw (usually a form of hubris) which ultimately causes their death/fall from grace.

For most of the series, you could argue Hank was a good man. He did everything for his family. He was obviously a great chemist and leveraged his ability to achieve really impressive feats.

Then he was driven by a desire to fully control his destiny; a foolish hubris. You can see his fall truly manifest when he's in the bunker with Saul while they're both awaiting their new identities. He realizes his aspirations to control everything are in vain.

BB wasn't some sort of political commentary or character study or discussion about the meth trade in New Mexico. It's not a critique of drug laws or a documentary. It's a classic, to the T, by the numbers, Greek/Shakespearean tragedy with some redemption thrown in at the end for the modern American TV viewer who likes happy endings.

edit: poo poo, Walt not hank

lmao. the highest horse

# ? Jul 23, 2014 15:33

TOILETLORD: Nov 13, 2012; by XyloJW

tiananman posted:

It's almost as if people who consume a ton of TV have no frame of reference outside of the medium. Like if they had ever taken a college literature course, or maybe even read a book or a play, they might get some clues about the characters in BB.

Walt is so obviously a tragic hero with very simple motivations that trying to argue about whether he's good or evil or bad or mean or misogynist is missing the whole point. He's conflicted between his love for his family and his desire to wrest control of his life, for sure, and those two motivations explain all of his behavior. His desire for control and his love for his family were aligned at first because of his cancer. That changes - something called "arc" for a character or "plot" for a narrative.

The simplest definition of a tragic hero is a man (usually) who is good (meaning, he has good intentions and acts accordingly) who is great (has some kind of superlative ability that makes him special/powerful/influential for the purposes of the story) who displays a fatal character flaw (usually a form of hubris) which ultimately causes their death/fall from grace.

For most of the series, you could argue Hank was a good man. He did everything for his family. He was obviously a great chemist and leveraged his ability to achieve really impressive feats.

Then he was driven by a desire to fully control his destiny; a foolish hubris. You can see his fall truly manifest when he's in the bunker with Saul while they're both awaiting their new identities. He realizes his aspirations to control everything are in vain.

BB wasn't some sort of political commentary or character study or discussion about the meth trade in New Mexico. It's not a critique of drug laws or a documentary. It's a classic, to the T, by the numbers, Greek/Shakespearean tragedy with some redemption thrown in at the end for the modern American TV viewer who likes happy endings.

edit: poo poo, Walt not hank

so, you are saying, that most media is just recycled media? Wow so edgy. The main reason breaking bad did good was because there was nothing else like it airing at the same time, so people watched it. Otherwise most of us neanderthals wouldn't really care too much about it.

# ? Jul 23, 2014 15:39