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1st AD posted:But it's not crazy to imagine that Nick could win 3 of 5 rounds. How? I mean its mma and anything is possible, but do you really see Anderson Silva getting trapped against the cage and unloaded on for a prolonged period?
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Jul 25, 2014 19:35
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He expended too much energy and got tired
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Count Roland posted:pressure pressure pressure pressure Ah yes, chase Anderson Silva, a sure avenue to victory.
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Jul 25, 2014 19:36
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If Silva winds up backed into the cage he's going to grab Nick by the head and swing him around like the caller just shouted Allemande Left.
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Jul 25, 2014 19:38
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Anderson Silva could break his leg walking to the Octagon I guess.
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Jul 25, 2014 19:39
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We're doin square dancin poo poo now?
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Jul 25, 2014 19:40
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Aurain posted:Any fighter worth his salt is going to believe that he's unstoppable at his best and would win every single fight. If he believed otherwise, he'd never be an elite fighter in the first place. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tj_h5-V6L0g Chael talked about this TUF. Because people at the top of any sport are very close as far as physical ability; what makes the difference is the mental edge. A fighter has to have an unyielding belief in yourself as the best, so it makes losing an enormous blow to one's confidence and that self-doubt becomes a virus that eats away at your confidence over time. Like the yips in baseball, once that self-doubt strikes it'll gradually get worse as you keep fixating on it. Making excuses is a way of pivoting away from facing the truth of not being good enough. There's a spectrum, from I Just Got Caught to Parapsychologist in 3rd Row Hypnotized Me During Walkout.
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Jul 25, 2014 19:40
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lactic acidosis is an all time great excuse imo
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Jul 25, 2014 19:40
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This looks like a man who could use some testosterone http://instagram.com/p/q2cJJuoWrj I can't imagine being close enough to anyone that it wouldn't still be weird when I said, "Here, take my phone. After I'm done getting sweaty, please shoot some video of me staring at you while I pant in a conference room."
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Jul 25, 2014 19:41
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Triticum Guzzler posted:lactic acidosis is an all time great excuse imo Mine is "I trained so hard my kidneys were failing." Then JDS gets beat even worse after having a high tech training camp or whatever.
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Jul 25, 2014 19:43
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Tezcatlipoca posted:Mine is "I trained so hard my kidneys were failing." Then JDS gets beat even worse after having a high tech training camp or whatever. After the third fight I think he came out and said "I was wrong, Cain's just better"
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Jul 25, 2014 19:49
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Dangersim posted:After the third fight I think he came out and said "I was wrong, Cain's just better" Yeah it was just a great example of an excuse blowing up in a fighter's (extremely lumpy) face.
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Jul 25, 2014 19:53
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Dangersim posted:After the third fight I think he came out and said "I was wrong, Cain's just better" After the beating he took in the third fight it is amazing JDS could think coherently.
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Jul 25, 2014 20:02
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I don't want to discuss those fights ever again. The third fight in particular was just not fun to witness. It's insane he didn't just hit the ground and pretend to be knocked out at some point. It's not often that you get to log enough octagon time with one opponent that you can't at least semi-plausibly hand-wave away the results with an injury excuse.
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Jul 25, 2014 20:03
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Agent Tough Juice posted:I don't want to discuss those fights ever again. The third fight in particular was just not fun to witness. It's insane he didn't just hit the ground and pretend to be knocked out at some point. At the time of the fight I thought his corner was really letting him down by not throwing in the towel for him.
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Jul 25, 2014 20:10
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Trast posted:At the time of the fight I thought his corner was really letting him down by not throwing in the towel for him. That's the problem with these guys who get hyped up around an idea of "knockout power" - even their corners keep thinking that they can still win the fight, even if they're too busted up to know which blurry image they should be throwing their punches at.
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Jul 25, 2014 20:17
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Trast posted:At the time of the fight I thought his corner was really letting him down by not throwing in the towel for him. A lot of people did, it was pretty bad.
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Jul 25, 2014 20:25
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Dangersim posted:After the third fight I think he came out and said "I was wrong, Cain's just better" close. it was more along the lines of quote:He showed that he had an effective strategy to win the fight, looking to play it safe while not taking many chances to show he was the better fighter, blocking my punches in a way that is typical of wrestlers. He applied pressure, grabbing hold of me and avoiding the fight, making the fight boring, making the audience boo a lot. An effective strategy to win, but he didn't prove he was the better fighter.
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Jul 25, 2014 20:29
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Typical wrestler bullshit. *cannonball strikes my face* This couldn't be any more boring. *legs are severed by artillery* Avoiding the fight as usual.
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Jul 25, 2014 20:30
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That fight wasn't fun to watch, but that is definitely not the same as boring What does "blocking my punches in a way that is typical of wrestlers" mean? Is he implying that this is a bad way to do things? I feel like it worked out okay for Cain.
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Jul 25, 2014 20:32
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doctor said i forgot to breathe
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Jul 25, 2014 20:35
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Trast posted:At the time of the fight I thought his corner was really letting him down by not throwing in the towel for him. Throwing in the towel in MMA is a foul and isn't viewed the same way as it is in boxing. The only way a fighter's corner can facilitate the fight to be stopped is to get a hold of the inspector who will then signal the ref who then knows to stop the fight.
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Jul 25, 2014 20:35
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you will recall that frederick the roach jr. clearly stated that nick diaz is a terrible boxer, and that bj penn is the greatest boxer in mma. and then bj cried.
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Jul 25, 2014 20:38
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-Atom- posted:Throwing in the towel in MMA is a foul and isn't viewed the same way as it is in boxing. The only way a fighter's corner can facilitate the fight to be stopped is to get a hold of the inspector who will then signal the ref who then knows to stop the fight. uh, pretty sure it's a foul in that it means you lose the fight which is how it's intended to be used?
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Jul 25, 2014 20:39
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-Atom- posted:Throwing in the towel in MMA is a foul and isn't viewed the same way as it is in boxing. The only way a fighter's corner can facilitate the fight to be stopped is to get a hold of the inspector who will then signal the ref who then knows to stop the fight. It is a foul that leads to disqualification, i.e. serves the intended purpose.
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Jul 25, 2014 20:41
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Street Horrrsing posted:I find it annoying in general. The actual fights that I was thinking of were hendricks/lawler and machida/weidman i don't remember weidman saying anything goofy. i just read an interview with weidman talking about the machida fight, but all he said was that he underestimated machida's will to win, and he gave machida respect for trying so hard to end the fight in the last two rounds.
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Jul 25, 2014 20:42
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niethan posted:uh, pretty sure it's a foul in that it means you lose the fight which is how it's intended to be used? Yep. Though it'd be funny if the ref looked at the towel, deducted a point, and then let the fight continue.
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Jul 25, 2014 20:43
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-Atom- posted:Throwing in the towel in MMA is a foul and isn't viewed the same way as it is in boxing. The only way a fighter's corner can facilitate the fight to be stopped is to get a hold of the inspector who will then signal the ref who then knows to stop the fight. Nick Diaz threw the towel in for Nate. Granted, it was p. much over anyway.
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Jul 25, 2014 20:44
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Agent Tough Juice posted:Yep. Though it'd be funny if the ref looked at the towel, deducted a point, and then let the fight continue. What refs are you watching, they'd look at the towel, look at the corner, look at the towel, look at the corner then tell them that if they do it again it'll be a foul.
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Jul 25, 2014 20:44
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Triticum Guzzler posted:hold on a minute! that's the brazilian national anthem! *a troupe of green and yellow oompa loompas rappel from the ceiling and begin to sing*
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Jul 25, 2014 20:46
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Agent Tough Juice posted:That fight wasn't fun to watch, but that is definitely not the same as boring Cain was supposed to do what Junior was doing, block punches with the face.
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Jul 25, 2014 20:46
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niethan posted:uh, pretty sure it's a foul in that it means you lose the fight which is how it's intended to be used? You could be right but I'm not seeing anywhere that the foul in question in regards to a towel being thrown into the cage results in the fight being stopped. http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2013/11/5/5068852/ufc-keith-kizer-throwing-in-the-towel-remains-a-foul-in-nevada Here's an article explaining the reason for it being viewed as a foul, and the protocol used that the refs instruct fighters and their corners on the way to stop the fight.
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Jul 25, 2014 20:50
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4F5fIEVWUM It's so cute that nick shaves his widows peak 
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Jul 25, 2014 20:54
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That's how fights have worked, well, forever. poo poo, it was PRIDE but that's how Fujita's fight against Coleman ended, not that it really started either.
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Jul 25, 2014 20:55
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freud mayweather posted:i don't remember weidman saying anything goofy. i just read an interview with weidman talking about the machida fight, but all he said was that he underestimated machida's will to win, and he gave machida respect for trying so hard to end the fight in the last two rounds. Weidman got asked by Rogan what he thought of the fight and Weidman said he didn't remember much of it. As far as the post fight that would be a fair assessment to make. Weidman pounded Machida and cut off his game for three rounds. When Weidman's gas faded Machida came back hard. It was a great fight. Detroit_Dogg posted:What refs are you watching, they'd look at the towel, look at the corner, look at the towel, look at the corner then tell them that if they do it again it'll be a foul. Beautiful.
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Jul 25, 2014 20:59
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Dangersim posted:Ah yes, chase Anderson Silva, a sure avenue to victory. Anderson's boxing technique always centered on being able to hang right on the edge of the pocket and slip punches to land his counters, which worked a treat against guys like Griffin and Okami who would come forward throwing tentative one-two combinations, and eventually try to catch Silva by rushing in and running past their own feet. The way Diaz strikes is actually pretty problematic for counter-punching. He almost never chases; conversely he's notable for plodding footwork. He just maintains the same stance and steps forward to keep resetting the range where he wants it as his opponents retreat. Even where Nick and Nate had somebody badly hurt, they don't really rush forward looking for a finish, they just maintain their range and continue landing punches (Nate-Maynard III is a good one to check out for that). Also, whereas it is possible to slip punches and counter when fighting a swarming boxer--check out some Mayweather highlights--I doubt Anderson could do the matrix trick against somebody who can double and triple up on punches and rattle off long combinations like Diaz. This is not to say that I think Diaz could win a boxing match with Anderson, only that I think Anderson would have trouble slipping those combinations. If Anderson was willing to absorb a few punches here and there, which probably wouldn't be that dangerous considering they're Diaz punches, he could just dig in and win the exchanges by hitting back much harder and more accurately. If he did that I'd bet on him stopping Diaz by TKO long before he accumulated any significant damage. But my guess would be that Anderson wouldn't go for that, because he has easier ways to win that fight. Diaz doesn't check leg kicks and his striking defense is porous, so Anderson could take him out with kicks in any number of ways. Leg kick TKO, body kicks, head kick, front kick to the face, whatever. He'd also have a big size and strength advantage and Diaz has no wrestling, so Anderson could ragdoll him in the thai clinch and finish him there with knees. Why box with him?
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EvanSchenck posted:thai clinch its going to be so dope when nick body shot tkos anderson while in his thai plum
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Detroit_Dogg posted:Nick Diaz threw the towel in for Nate. Granted, it was p. much over anyway. You're right, I'm pretty sure the ref stopped it without seeing the towel.
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Jul 25, 2014 21:04
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EvanSchenck posted:Why box with him? Because he's a much better boxer.
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Jul 25, 2014 21:07
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Like are you trying to say plodding footwork is an advantage against Anderson?
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EvanSchenck posted:Anderson's boxing technique always centered on being able to hang right on the edge of the pocket and slip punches to land his counters, which worked a treat against guys like Griffin and Okami who would come forward throwing tentative one-two combinations, and eventually try to catch Silva by rushing in and running past their own feet. The way Diaz strikes is actually pretty problematic for counter-punching. He almost never chases; conversely he's notable for plodding footwork. He just maintains the same stance and steps forward to keep resetting the range where he wants it as his opponents retreat. Even where Nick and Nate had somebody badly hurt, they don't really rush forward looking for a finish, they just maintain their range and continue landing punches (Nate-Maynard III is a good one to check out for that). Also, whereas it is possible to slip punches and counter when fighting a swarming boxer--check out some Mayweather highlights--I doubt Anderson could do the matrix trick against somebody who can double and triple up on punches and rattle off long combinations like Diaz. Yup. Weed-man also was almost constantly moving forward against Silva; but unlike Griffin, he wasn't and idiot and rushing in. He kept his stance and balance and refused to be drawn out. Diaz is obviously nowhere near as good as Chris, but he also won't fall into the classic Silva trap. Silva could beat him easily by emulating Condit: leg kicking and retreating. But Silva doesn't really game plan like that, it isn't his style at all.
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