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PS: I cant believe Xachariah thinks we only went to the moon once jesus christ
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Jul 31, 2014 21:39
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Zero Gravitas posted:PS: I cant believe Xachariah thinks we only went to the moon once jesus christ And with the shuttle no less 
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Jul 31, 2014 21:44
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Zero Gravitas posted:PS: I cant believe Xachariah thinks we only went to the moon once jesus christ Xachariah also thinks that's all NASA does. I'd do a 6000 word essay on all the great things NASA did and why it furthers our understanding of our universe, our earth and ourselves 10 fold. But it's late so have just small number of things: NASA has done some amazing things with regard to science education. NASA's goals:
Examples of some current NASA missions:
Not to forget Voyager 1 & Voyager 2 which still get a tear when hearing pale blue dot. They also do tons on geoscience. There's too many things they've done to further our understanding of the universe and our plant I don't know where to start. So have some cool space photos.    Space debris I Space debris I" visualizes the collection of space junk in orbit around earth. Najjar: “Based on a data archive each spherule in the picture represents a real existing object orbiting in space. The visualization has been realized in collaboration with the Institute of Aerospace Systems at the Braunschweig University of Technology, the world leading institute for space debris tracking. The Rose Galaxies   This image of a pair of interacting galaxies called Arp 273 was released to celebrate the 21st anniversary of the launch of the NASA/ESA Hubble Space Telescope. The distorted shape of the larger of the two galaxies shows signs of tidal interactions with the smaller of the two. It is thought that the smaller galaxy has actually passed through the larger one. The Crab Nebula  See that white square? well here it is zoomed in:  The Eagle Nebula   Zoomed in, Those are as big as our entire solar system. A Star in Midexplosion  The Westbrook Nebula is a star in the protoplanetary nebula phase, and it's actually a pretty rare phenomenon to catch on camera, because in the grand scheme of things, they don't last that long. A Star on the Verge of Supernova  This is the Homunculus Nebula, it's spewing out poo poo tons of gas. Will be the cloest one to earth to ever happen when its finished. The Red Rectangle  This is the Red Rectangle Nebula, and not "Kind of a Purplish, Freaky X-Files Logo Looking Thing," because early telescopes were looking at it through our atmosphere, which distorted the image into this:  An Invisible Galaxy Destroyer  It's a victim of ram pressure stripping -- a force associated with rapid motion that can suck all of the gas out of a galaxy. This particular one, named NGC 4522 (obviously), is one of the most clear examples of the phenomenon. It's a part of a group of galaxies called the Virgo Cluster that contains between 1,300 and 2,000 galaxies. As it zips through space at over 6 million miles per hour like a loving crazy-rear end, it slams into slower-moving molecular gas, which rips out its own. Mayall's Object  Notice the shock wave that blows out of its center, followed by the loose stars being sucked away. The Cartwheel Galaxy  That looks like two galaxies right at the exact point of impact, doesn't it? But actually that entire structure on the right is a single entity called the Cartwheel Galaxy. About 200 million years ago (from our perspective) another galaxy collided head-on with it, sending out that blue shock wave of stars and dust. Since then, the ball-busting gravity at the center has steadily been trying to put things back together again. Big Red Bubble  This is SNR B0509-67.5. This is the remnants of a supernova. What's crazy is that this one is 23 light-years across and expanding at 11 million miles per hour. Also looks like a red bubble. Hubble Ultra Deep Field        The star-forming region NGC 3603 - seen here in the latest Hubble Space Telescope image - contains one of the most impressive massive young star clusters in the Milky Way. Bathed in gas and dust the cluster formed in a huge rush of star formation thought to have occurred around a million years ago. The hot blue stars at the core are responsible for carving out a huge cavity in the gas seen to the right of the star cluster in NGC 3603's centre.  This Hubble Space Telescope view shows one of the most dynamic and intricately detailed star-forming regions in space, located 210,000 light-years away in the Small Magellanic Cloud (SMC), a satellite galaxy of our Milky Way. At the centre of the region is a brilliant star cluster called NGC 346. A dramatic structure of arched, ragged filaments with a distinct ridge surrounds the cluster. A torrent of radiation from the hot stars in the cluster NGC 346, at the centre of this Hubble image, eats into denser areas around it, creating a fantasy sculpture of dust and gas. The dark, intricately beaded edge of the ridge, seen in silhouette, is particularly dramatic. It contains several small dust globules that point back towards the central cluster, like windsocks caught in a gale. Fluo fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Jul 31, 2014 |
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Jul 31, 2014 21:45
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No, the maintenance outlay of any given space shuttle mission is to ensure it lifts off once, months apart from each other. There have been over 130 flights but that's nothing on a monorail being used daily for 50 years (thats 18,200 "flights"). The maintenance outlay of a massive monorail thats being used every single day isn't a worthwhile comparison to a shuttle that's not used nearly as often. I guess I worded this point pretty badly though.
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Jul 31, 2014 21:47
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Xachariah posted:No, the maintenance outlay of any given space shuttle mission is to ensure it lifts off once, months apart from each other. There have been over 130 flights but that's nothing on a monorail being used daily for 50 years (thats 18,200 "flights"). Eh, this is true, but I mainly used the shuttle program to illustrate that its a mountain sized pile of money that could be better spent on other things. Like ten  BURAN programs or creating a new series of urban centers instead of shoehorning more people into london suburbia.
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Jul 31, 2014 21:50
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Well that was a very intellectual start to the new thread. Makes a change.
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Jul 31, 2014 21:56
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Actually I can't really imagine anything better economically to spend it on apart from another large public works project like large scale council house building (which a government would never due due to house prices and the hysterics induced by them). The money doesn't disappear once it's spent, it just circulates, I'd say the multiplier effect for a public works project is vastly higher than just about anything else short of benefits spending. EDIT: That's just a guess though. EDIT2: Obviously I'd prefer London to not be an economic black hole sucking in all the jobs and money but Ill take any public works project over defense spending. Xachariah fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Jul 31, 2014 |
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Jul 31, 2014 21:57
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The Tories have fixed the deficit forever and the public finances are all tickety-boo, so they're thinking up all manner of taxes they can waffle on about cutting in the next Parliament. They've already totally rejected switching to a flat income tax and hinted at plans to raise the higher rate threshold for income tax, apparently because being in the top 15% of all wage earners in the country merely makes you a "middle earner" (I guess it's a big middle?). Now they're muttering about stamp duty and inheritance tax, which are very unfair because they "predominantly hit middle-class families."
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Jul 31, 2014 22:18
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Hi, just wanted to check in from those of us still in July: is the World still there in August?
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Jul 31, 2014 22:24
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It's August somewhere in the world.
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Jul 31, 2014 22:27
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I fancied an early night tonight. Im really sorry for creating a new thread ahead of time so it wouldnt be late 
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Jul 31, 2014 22:37
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El Scotch posted:Hi, just wanted to check in from those of us still in July: is the World still there in August? The future sucks, it's full of Tories and there's no Space Shuttles or Concorde.
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Jul 31, 2014 22:38
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It's not August op.
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Jul 31, 2014 22:41
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August UKMT two and a half hours early. Cameron's Britain.
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Jul 31, 2014 22:49
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We're here to discuss August, not be in August.
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Jul 31, 2014 22:51
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Fine, I'll go ask the vvvvv Incorrect, there is a timeline where Maggie is still in power (being alive not necessary). Wistful of Dollars fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Jul 31, 2014 |
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Jul 31, 2014 22:53
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goddamnedtwisto posted:The future sucks, it's full of Tories and there's no Space Shuttles or Concorde. We're in the darkest timeline, aren't we?
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Jul 31, 2014 23:06
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HortonNash posted:We're in the darkest timeline, aren't we? No, in the darkest timeline in 1984, as a result of the falklands war, Thatcher was 'upgraded' to a cyborg so that she could rule forever with a literal iron fist and iron handbag. Instead of the gherkin, a 400m tall statue, made of the finest Kyoto steel, of her stares west from where London City Airport would be, reminding all of the world that the iron lady will never falter.
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Jul 31, 2014 23:28
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Pissflaps posted:It's not August op. It isn't!
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Jul 31, 2014 23:29
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El Scotch posted:vvvvv Incorrect, there is a timeline where Maggie is still in power (being alive not necessary).
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Jul 31, 2014 23:41
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I'm more infuriated that the OP missed the opportunity to use BoJo's Bizarre Adventure.
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Jul 31, 2014 23:41
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:BoJo's Bizarre Adventure. The Earth hasn't exploded yet; there's still time. PS: it is now August. 
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Aug 1, 2014 00:13
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OP is missing something  ARE  CHANCELLOR  saviour of the economy .
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Aug 1, 2014 00:19
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twoot posted:OP is missing something Hmm. Do they not require ministers to be security vetted? Surely this sort of history would be a big black mark on any sort of security clearance?
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Aug 1, 2014 00:53
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HortonNash posted:Hmm. Do they not require ministers to be security vetted? Surely this sort of history would be a big black mark on any sort of security clearance? He got the job because he's friends with David Cameron. That's his entire qualification for the job.
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Aug 1, 2014 01:29
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Gonzo McFee posted:He got the job because he's friends with David Cameron. That's his entire qualification for the job. He could have snorted mountains of cocaine like a cartoon elephant for all I care, if he had the remotest shadow of the expertise or knowledge required for his position. I mean there's the obvious hypocrisy involved too, but it's hardly the most disturbing aspect of how he got the keys to the UK economy
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Aug 1, 2014 01:39
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Some people have such a pathological hatred of London. Comes up everything any sort of investment project is mentioned. Get tied in in contradictory nonsense opposing both improvements to central London and designs to relieve pressure on it.
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Aug 1, 2014 08:21
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HortonNash posted:Hmm. Do they not require ministers to be security vetted? Surely this sort of history would be a big black mark on any sort of security clearance? No, they're not vetted at all. The rumour has always been that the security services make their files available to the Cabinet Office (and hence the PM) when appointing ministers, but no actual evidence this is the case. Anyway, past drug use or even use of prostitutes is not actually a barrier to security clearance as long as it's declared. They're interested in/worried about things that make you a likely target for blackmail or other malicious influence, so they dig pretty hard into your finances and ask lots of questions about your sex life but as long as you're honest and don't, say, owe £10k to Big Lenny to cover your hooker and blow bill you'll get through. For example - the dominatrix at the heart of the Max Moseley case was married to a serving MI5 officer, who by definition would have to have the highest level of security clearance. This presumably wasn't a problem.
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Aug 1, 2014 08:29
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If ministers were vetted, Norman Baker wouldn't have even been considered to be within ten miles of ministerial office; MI5 really don't like him (if it wasn't for the DPA case that forced them to turn over MI5 files on him, it was certainly the David Kelly book).
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Aug 1, 2014 16:48
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goddamnedtwisto posted:No, they're not vetted at all. The rumour has always been that the security services make their files available to the Cabinet Office (and hence the PM) when appointing ministers, but no actual evidence this is the case. Presumably a closeted gay person would be a security risk, but an out one wouldn't be? Interesting. And I heard that because they can easily pass the background checks, the US security services are increasingly full of Mormons.
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Aug 1, 2014 16:59
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marktheando posted:Presumably a closeted gay person would be a security risk, but an out one wouldn't be? Interesting. Yeah you can be as bizarre as you want as long as you reveal it to the spooks e.g. that dude who got off on locking himself into duffle bags (then died). Having high debts, financial troubles is a big problem as well. Anything that a foreign gov't can use over you is bad too. The worst thing is to lie on one of those forms, do not do that at all. They will find out.
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Aug 1, 2014 17:04
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Is there anything set in stone regarding criminality and getting into the cabinet (apart from having to be one! Hem hem)? Like say if an MP were an active paedophile would MI5 have a duty to report it to the prime minister or the police if they were up for a ministerial job?
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Aug 2, 2014 11:37
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I think it's apparent that they don't given recent events.
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Aug 2, 2014 11:50
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Serotonin posted:I think it's apparent that they don't given recent events. It is apparent that they haven't, not that no obligation existed.
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Aug 2, 2014 12:09
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ReV VAdAUL posted:It is apparent that they haven't, not that no obligation existed. There's no actual law, no. As i said before, the rumour has always been that the security services make their files available at least to the Cabinet Office when it comes to sensitive appointments (indeed the plot of the last episode of Yes Minister, where Hacker uses info supplied to him by Sir Humphrey, by then Cabinet Secretary, to finagle his way to Number 10, is based on this) but no, there's no legal obligation for them to do so. There's an interesting counterpart to that line of thinking though - if there is an actual normal policy of vetting ministerial appointments it gives those services an effective veto on them, which is problematic at least on a philosophical level.
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Aug 2, 2014 17:54
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Q: Are we all going to die from ebola?
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Aug 2, 2014 19:57
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Little_wh0re posted:Q: Are we all going to die from ebola? A: Short answer, no. Not unless it mutates into an airborne virus.
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Aug 2, 2014 20:34
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Saw "Kings of Rock and Roll - '50s last night on BBC Four, and was struck with the paedosplaining that was done when it came to Jerry Lee Lewis. Fucker marries his 13 year old cousin and there's Tom Jones and Cliff Richards, amongst others, making out that it was no big deal. Tom Jones even made a point of saying "he married her before he had sex with her, that was his Christian beliefs" (or something very close to it). I know that it was first broadcast in 2008 long before Savile, but gently caress me, in retrospect did people just go "yeah, he fucks kids, but I love his..../he's really talented"?
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HortonNash posted:Saw "Kings of Rock and Roll - '50s last night on BBC Four, and was struck with the paedosplaining that was done when it came to Jerry Lee Lewis. Fucker marries his 13 year old cousin and there's Tom Jones and Cliff Richards, amongst others, making out that it was no big deal. Tom Jones even made a point of saying "he married her before he had sex with her, that was his Christian beliefs" (or something very close to it).
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