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Sanguine posted:Where do you think private efficiency comes from? It is entirely based around skirting the line between legal letter and social contract. They went on strike and built a barricade out of the corpses of management right? ...right? 
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Scylo posted:It's a sanction that impacts a tiny percentage of GDP (0.00049%) It's meaningless, and isn't going to teach the Abbott government anything. It's also not a bad thing when governments stand up to leaders responsible for the death of innocents, they should just try and be more consistent about it. You're right, it isn't a deathblow to GDP by any means, but it's nonetheless a significant sum of money to those affected by the sanctions, and will, I believe, play badly in the media. In related news, Operation Bring Them Home has been an immense waste of time and money that carried with it a high risk of further casualties, and if we want to go there, the money and time sunk into the totally pointless hunt for MH370 has similarly produced absolutely nothing of value. Taken as a whole, the LNP's attempts to play on the world stage have not, to my knowledge, gone well, and I imagine even the most politically apathetic citizen would as a result probably prefer energy, time and cash (oh so hard to come by now that the Age of Entitlement has come to an apparently ignominious end) were invested closer to home and further from the international limelight.
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Endman posted:They went on strike and built a barricade out of the corpses of management right? Less than a week old. Has finally tipped the union sentiment from 'but I might lose my job for joining one of them' to 'how soon can we get in'.
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Sanguine posted:Less than a week old. Has finally tipped the union sentiment from 'but I might lose my job for joining one of them' to 'how soon can we get in'. Care to name this shithole company?
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Small Keating posted:the money and time sunk into the totally pointless hunt for MH370 has similarly produced absolutely nothing of value. Taken as a whole, the LNP's attempts to play on the world stage have not, to my knowledge, gone well, and I imagine even the most politically apathetic citizen would as a result probably prefer energy, time and cash (oh so hard to come by now that the Age of Entitlement has come to an apparently ignominious end) were invested closer to home and further from the international limelight. I am going to go ahead and disagree with you here. The search for MH370 is important. Air travel is immensly safe because we make sure we try and figure out exactly why every crash happens. Putting a ship in the inidan ocean and map the floor from one side to the other for the next 10 years is a worthwhile effort. The side effect of better geology is a bonus. The new reaserch vesel they are only funding for 180 days at sea a year could spend the other 120 on MH370 search.
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For some perspective on the import ban from Russia, the live export ban in 2011 (which was for a little under a month) cost $46.5m (this one is worth ~$400m) and was apparently "apocalypse" to northern Australia. Looking forward to hearing some similar rhetoric! ("apparently we won't even notice the difference" -- sunrise) Murodese fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Aug 8, 2014 |
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Small Keating posted:You're right, it isn't a deathblow to GDP by any means, but it's nonetheless a significant sum of money to those affected by the sanctions, and will, I believe, play badly in the media. Pissing in the well of engagement with the world: mission accomplished.
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^^^^ ICAC entertaining. After Abbott's tweet(?) of 'This is Labor' about ICAC, it's turned out to have destroyed vast swathes of the NSW liberal party. Ragingsheep posted:Care to name this shithole company? No, sorry. It's small, Tasmanian, and I suspect not long for this world. It might rear its head again on the mainland, though. Hopefully the WHS, EPA, and local councils over there have their paddles in the water and don't let so much of the poo poo it currently gets away with slide. Pidgin Englishman fucked around with this message at 01:45 on Aug 8, 2014 |
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Antlions posted:So, something I'm not sure about : ICAC good? ICAC bad? ICAC good but run by bad people? I hear bits and pieces about it but I don't really have any context to go on. The ICAC was restarted by the Liberals to take a crack at corruption within the ALP, and it backfired spectacularly (because the Libs are more corrupt than the ALP). ICAC = good and also hilarious
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Antlions posted:So, something I'm not sure about : ICAC good? ICAC bad? ICAC good but run by bad people? I hear bits and pieces about it but I don't really have any context to go on. ICAC is outstanding
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Antlions posted:So, something I'm not sure about : ICAC good? ICAC bad? ICAC good but run by bad people? I hear bits and pieces about it but I don't really have any context to go on. ICAC good. They have unique powers to expose corruption, and do so with gusto. The only problem I have with it is that some of their evidence can't be used by the DPP in criminal proceedings so it's very difficult to then criminally convict someone who's been found corrupt. Generally speaking, anyone who professes to hate ICAC is just cheerleading - the main reason they don't like it is because their "team" is the current focus.
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webmeister posted:ICAC good. That's what angry mobs and public executions are for.
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Antlions posted:So, something I'm not sure about : ICAC good? ICAC bad? ICAC good but run by bad people? I hear bits and pieces about it but I don't really have any context to go on. ICAC fantastic and run by good people. It's an independent anti-corruption body in NSW with fairly significant powers to compel witnesses and evidence, it was started by the Liberal Party under Greiner, but so far has mostly been a component of bringing down 2 Liberal Premiers and 6 other Lib MPs, as well as the whole scummy situation over Obeid and Macdonald in the NSW Upper House. The Libs are now currently complaining that ICAC is a kangaroo court and that its inquiries should be done in secret, like other anti-corruption bodies, to which I say to politicians; if you haven't done anything wrong, you have nothing to fear 
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webmeister posted:ICAC good. That's the thing I don't get with ICAC, you get found guilty of corruption but you don't go to jail because evidence used against you can't be used by the DPP.
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Ragingsheep posted:That's the thing I don't get with ICAC, you get found guilty of corruption but you don't go to jail because evidence used against you can't be used by the DPP. It's a component of ICAC having extraordinary powers to compel witnesses and evidence. It can act beyond the bounds of a regular criminal court because of its narrow focus. Fortunately being brought in front of ICAC effectively ends your political career, so that's something at least.
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Quantum Mechanic posted:The Libs are now currently complaining that ICAC is a kangaroo court and that its inquiries should be done in secret, like other anti-corruption bodies, to which I say to politicians; if you haven't done anything wrong, you have nothing to fear I'm fully expecting them to try to shut it down after this inquiry is finished saying that it's no longer needed because we already found all the corruption.
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Too loving happy in here by half! Things going to poo poo because of terrible people with no talent being terrible? Lets crank out the good ol' 'loving dem Browns! Am I right?' Hockey vigorously blaming Labor for not passing a budget that in no way addresses jobs growth and has in fact caused both the spike in unemployment AND a drop in business confidence?  Telstra has now started advertising about the amazing NBN deals they can provide. That's got to be transgressing fair advertising guidelines. Which loving National Broadband Network is Telstra going to connect you to? The ads being pushed here in Kempsey makes it 100% 
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Contra Duck posted:I'm fully expecting them to try to shut it down after this inquiry is finished saying that it's no longer needed because we already found all the corruption. That's why the NSW Greens are planning to push for a referendum to add ICAC into the NSW constitution 
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Jumpingmanjim posted:Until we get a twitch feed, https://twitter.com/MWhitbourn is the best place for the latest ICAC hilarities. Nice @MWhitbourn · 26m Owen's campaign manager Hugh Thomson told Hodges to invoice developer Saddingtons for "Consultancy on Cave Beachside" #ICAC @MWhitbourn · 26m Counsel: It's a fake invoice, of course. Hodges: Correct. #ICAC
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Quantum Mechanic posted:That's why the NSW Greens are planning to push for a referendum to add ICAC into the NSW constitution Edit: I mean I guess it's the only way the Libs would even consider putting it in, but will they add provisions preventing future governments from taking it back out?
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Quantum Mechanic posted:That's why the NSW Greens are planning to push for a referendum to add ICAC into the NSW constitution Yeah - I would really like to see this get up. I think it has a real chance and I would love to see both of the majors try to explain why we don't need it after all the poo poo that has been aired Also - people have already had fun with Eric Abetz's Wiki page Professions: Lawyer Politician Pseudoscientist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Abetz
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Gough Suppressant posted:Good to know that someone is dumb enough to stand up and defend the idea of using femininity as an insult to people as long as you really don't like them Hey muyb do you see any dissonance between getting upset about this, while strongly defending your right to call for politicians to be killed / kill themselves?
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hyperbowl posted:But there's no need for a referendum to add stuff to (or remove stuff from) the NSW constitution. It's not required, but as a political stunt it's completely bulletproof. It would also allow inserting ICAC with a provision of requiring bipartisan support to change its funding or its terms of reference.
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KennyTheFish posted:I am going to go ahead and disagree with you here. The search for MH370 is important. Air travel is immensly safe because we make sure we try and figure out exactly why every crash happens. Putting a ship in the inidan ocean and map the floor from one side to the other for the next 10 years is a worthwhile effort. The side effect of better geology is a bonus. The new reaserch vesel they are only funding for 180 days at sea a year could spend the other 120 on MH370 search. I'd be more inclined to agree with you if the government weren't crying poor and defunding everything in sight, including exactly the kind of research that would ordinarily yield the kind of information we might get out of this search as a "bonus side effect". You're right, air travel is immensely safe, and I have difficulty going to believe that the the insane amounts of money we're dumping into this could possibly improve that safety record by more than fractions of fractions of a percentage point. e: Incidentally, where's the suggestion that we're going to get better geology out of this whole thing? I thought we just signed $50m over to some private company to go check this stuff out for us?
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Quantum Mechanic posted:It's not required, but as a political stunt it's completely bulletproof. It would also allow inserting ICAC with a provision of requiring bipartisan support to change its funding or its terms of reference.
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Cartoon posted:Too loving happy in here by half! All things considered, today's Australian was on the 'bell pepper' mild side. Until they outdo the swan/Gillard budget edition everything they publish will pale in comparison. The full page anti Abbott IPA ad was hilarious though.
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ColtMcAsskick posted:The full page anti Abbott IPA ad was hilarious though. 
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Those On My Left posted:I'd be more inclined to agree with you if the government weren't crying poor and defunding everything in sight, including exactly the kind of research that would ordinarily yield the kind of information I understood the indian ocean to be poorly mapped. Any search effort would improve the mapping and understanding of a bit of the planet we don't know about.
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Gough Suppressant posted:I am literally weeping for the bourgeoise private health consumers I'm a bourgeoise private health consumer who has gone into debt to keep paying my premiums in case I need to go to hospital for my manic depression because public wards are suicide factories, do go on.
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