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Joementum posted:Maybe St. Louis should try a massive, modernist, urban housing project? Nice.
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Aug 14, 2014 02:38
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poo poo looks like its about to get real on the St louis protest live stream: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/08/13/watch-live-protests-continue-in-ferguson-despite-heavy-police-presence/
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Aug 14, 2014 03:03
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Meanwhile, Obama and Hillary had a nice dinner tonight, so racism's basically over.
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Aug 14, 2014 03:24
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Joementum posted:'56-72. Yes, that's This looks like a bad Sim City 2k map.
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Aug 14, 2014 03:31
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Joementum posted:Meanwhile, Obama and Hillary had a nice dinner tonight, so racism's basically over. "A good time was had by all."
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Aug 14, 2014 03:39
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Grundulum posted:"A good time was had by all." From the photos I saw, yes, it was.
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Aug 14, 2014 03:44
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Good Citizen posted:poo poo looks like its about to get real on the St louis protest live stream: Yeah, watching Lawrence O'donnell right now and he's reporting on how the police are tear gassing a sit down protest of over 200 people at the moment and also firing rubber bullets into the crowd to disperse them. Apparently a single person may have thrown a something (apparently it was a Molotov ) at the police line and they used that as an excuse to gas peaceful protestors. They also demanded that the media shut off any recording devices and stop broadcasting their assault. I have no idea as to what makes them think they can just order that kind of poo poo, or what pathetic excuse they could even use to justify it. Police are also lobbing gas canisters directly into peoples yards, so residents are getting gassed in their houses. Jesus, this is disgusting. Edit ее oh crap my bad I thought I heard it was just a rock or something. My apologies! Pokemaster #421 fucked around with this message at 04:27 on Aug 14, 2014 |
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Aug 14, 2014 03:52
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Pokemaster #421 posted:Yeah, watching Lawrence O'donnell right now and he's reporting on how the police are tear gassing a sit down protest of over 200 people at the moment and also firing rubber bullets into the crowd to disperse them. Apparently a single person may have thrown a something (as of now it's unidentified but it doesn't appear to have been a Molotov or something) at the police line and they used that as an excuse to gas peaceful protestors. They also demanded that the media shut off any recording devices and stop broadcasting their assault. I have no idea as to what makes them think they can just order that kind of poo poo, or what pathetic excuse they could even use to justify it. Police are also lobbing gas canisters directly into peoples yards, so residents are getting gassed in their houses. Jesus, this is disgusting. The molotov apparently hit the roof of some business and started a fire. Seems even the streamers supportive of the protestors are confirming that
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Evil Fluffy posted:This looks like a bad Sim City 2k map. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nq_SpRBXRmE
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Aug 14, 2014 04:02
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Using violence by the protesters is the worst thing. It gives silly arguments to the police, it does not help with anything, and it makes it easier to rile up against them. By far the best public reception would be by taking the beating and filming it all.
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Aug 14, 2014 04:09
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Vahakyla posted:Using violence by the protesters is the worst thing. Worse than violence from the police? quote:It gives silly arguments to the police, They don't need arguments, they just tear gassed several city blocks because of no reason quote:it does not help with anything, and it makes it easier to rile up against them. Is it possible to make it easier? quote:By far the best public reception would be by taking the beating and filming it all. The public will enjoy it.
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Aug 14, 2014 04:11
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You can argue that the people in Ferguson would be justified in resisting the police violently but there's not much gain in using violence if it's a fight you're not gonna win. What are they gonna do? Pitch a molotov vaguely in the direction of the police and now oh poo poo a bunch of people are at (more) serious risk of getting gunned down by assault rifle fire and the world's gonna think they got what's coming because some asphalt got scorched, maybe a cop car if they had good aim.
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Aug 14, 2014 04:20
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What're the open carry laws like in that place?
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Evil Fluffy posted:What're the open carry laws like in that place? Allowed by the state, can be restricted by the local government, I don't know the laws of Ferguson but since it's 2/3 black I'm going to go with "probably restricted".
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Evil Fluffy posted:What're the open carry laws like in that place? You can open carry if you have a CCW permit.
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Aug 14, 2014 04:26
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There's an excellent documentary about the housing project called The Pruitt-Igoe Myth. I saw it on Netflix a while ago, although it isn't currently available for streaming.
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Aug 14, 2014 04:35
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Snow Halation posted:There's an excellent documentary about the housing project called The Pruitt-Igoe Myth. I saw it on Netflix a while ago, although it isn't currently available for streaming.
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Aug 14, 2014 04:38
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Vahakyla posted:By far the best public reception would be by taking the beating and filming it all. People will ignore it or justify it either way.
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Aug 14, 2014 04:40
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If the cops are going to gently caress you up regardless, it takes away a lot of the incentive to take the moral high ground.
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The fetishization of "non-violent protest" and "passive resistance" is a blatant enshrinement of "know your place, prole" that I don't even know what to say when people bring it up.
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Aug 14, 2014 04:47
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Well fine, go throw rocks at cops and we'll hold onto our panties and witness the rush of sudden leftism and the triumph of the proletariat. No matter what, the protesters are going to be beaten and gassed. No plan or action will win the fight on the streets against the local police. And if such chance ever presented itself, state and federal would fill in to ensure that people who just killed fifty cops don't just keep doing it. There is no bullshit about moral high ground. If you are getting beaten just as bad no matter what, best bet is to make it look great for the cameras and use that as a tool. Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 04:52 on Aug 14, 2014 |
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AmiYumi posted:The fetishization of "non-violent protest" and "passive resistance" is a blatant enshrinement of "know your place, prole" that I don't even know what to say when people bring it up. People bring it up because it's worked far more often than violent protest. MLK won, Malcom X did not.
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AmiYumi posted:The fetishization of "non-violent protest" and "passive resistance" is a blatant enshrinement of "know your place, prole" that I don't even know what to say when people bring it up. And violent protesting...does? When? You advocate for another Haymarket. That didn't work out well.
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My Imaginary GF posted:And violent protesting...does? When? You advocate for another Haymarket. That didn't work out well. Stonewall didn't end up too horribly in the long run.
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Vahakyla posted:Well fine, go throw rocks at cops and we'll hold onto our panties and witness the rush of sudden leftism and the triumph of the proletariat. Or, you know, sustained resistance. Remember that "violent" as far as the cops are concerned includes "shoving back when shoved."
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Aug 14, 2014 04:53
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So what is the end game after Ferguson PD is dead and burning? Now that violent protesting won the day, now what? Advance the cause of ending police brutality by hanging heads of officers on spikes? Violent rioting with no end game is just a way for an idiot to feel good about himself and be a violent dick, showing exactly why people are lovely in the first place.
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AmiYumi posted:The fetishization of "non-violent protest" and "passive resistance" is a blatant enshrinement of "know your place, prole" that I don't even know what to say when people bring it up. I, too, think it's a great idea for other people to risk their lives while I post on the internet.
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AdjectiveNoun posted:People bring it up because it's worked far more often than violent protest. MLK won, Malcom X did not. MLK only won because of Malcom X. In fact Im pretty sure he said as much.
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SedanChair posted:Or, you know, sustained resistance. Remember that "violent" as far as the cops are concerned includes "shoving back when shoved." My point is, when things reach the point of violent protest, they've already hit the point that "passive resistance" won't do poo poo. Sure, there are examples where, removed from historical context, things worked that way. A generation ago, when there was a functioning news media and a functioning government. Meanwhile, the past decade of non-violent protests have accomplished gently caress-all. I'm not really sure what point I'm getting at, other than "the system is working as intended."
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The violent protest won't achieve anything either. So let's not be violent. Like, basic society stuff.
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Stultus Maximus posted:I, too, think it's a great idea for other people to risk their lives while I post on the internet. You can't seriously hold this kind of position without realizing the apparent hypocrisy can you? I mean you probably can, but you shouldn't. Though really the fetishing of non violent protests is just kind of a symptom of American Leftism in many ways. Trying to take the high ground, without having to actually do or risk anything. CharlestheHammer fucked around with this message at 05:09 on Aug 14, 2014 |
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AdjectiveNoun posted:People bring it up because it's worked far more often than violent protest. MLK won, Malcom X did not. As others have said, MLK likely would not have won without Malcolm X. Peaceful protests, unfortunately, don't really work all that well except as a contrast to violent ones. You still need the violent ones to make taking the olive branch seem attractive. Neither India, South Africa, nor the American CRA ran off of raw Jesus style turning the other cheek, whatever our textbooks might like us to believe (for the express purposes of making future protests less effective).
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So please do tell how rocks and molotovs at cops is going to help? The CRA had a somewhat synpathetic federal government and a divided nation. No such things about police brutality. Because so often this comes down to "man, we are like, totally gonna show the Man and be like, here's a rock that I will throw and yo man we just mess poo poo up because that is cool"
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CharlestheHammer posted:Trying to take the high ground, without having to actually do or risk anything. Which can be said of most posters in the thread (except perhaps for the fellow who was actually there) regardless of their position. This is precisely why cop chat is unreadable, it's just nothing but people claiming the moral high ground over one another and seeing who can clutch their pearls the hardest.
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Vahakyla posted:The violent protest won't achieve anything either. So let's not be violent. Who is following the basic rules of society right now?
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SedanChair posted:Who is following the basic rules of society right now? I mean, personally I'd like to be better than a corrupt chief or a racist cop.
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StandardVC10 posted:Which can be said of most posters in the thread (except perhaps for the fellow who was actually there) regardless of their position. This is precisely why cop chat is unreadable, it's just nothing but people claiming the moral high ground over one another and seeing who can clutch their pearls the hardest. I mean I ain't gonna tell anyone what they should do, if you don't want to do that stuff then don't but a spade is still a spade. I only object to the handringing.
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Vahakyla posted:I mean, personally I'd like to be better than a corrupt chief or a racist cop. No problem, don't shoot or gas anyone. That's all you have to do to be better.
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SedanChair posted:No problem, don't shoot or gas anyone. That's all you have to do to be better. If my molotov burns a city employee, though, I'd reckon that that is bad.
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