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canepazzo posted:
God loving. Going to the pizza. See you guys if I survive
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tbp posted:Lets not get stupid Eh, I'll be a bit reactionary but really the fact that Juve has done what it's done is really telling about the quality of the league. Last year wasn't a runaway but to still easily beat out a club that had, by most accounts, a record year for the Scudetto is shameful. Troy Queef posted:Is there any way to stop the rot? I mean, the Bundesliga was considered crap no more than a decade ago and now it's being heralded as the real best league in the world. Clubs need to start throwing everything they can at Europe and have two or three teams go deep in the CL for a few years. I could be completely off base but I feel like no one wants to play in Italy because there's no real competition at the European levels and there's no real competition for the European spots, outside of a couple surprises. Basically the entire league needs an overhaul and an influx of that sweet Europe money and that ain't gonna happen in the good old boys club that is Series A.
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Aug 14, 2014 20:03
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Well give it 15 years at most and top level football will be played exclusively on the Arabian Peninsula, so English dudes have nothing to be smug about either.
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Aug 14, 2014 20:08
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Bundesliga does one thing right that no other country will ever do. They demand clubs have a positive balance if they want to signup for it.
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Aug 14, 2014 20:15
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I feel like we have this conversation every 10 pages or so, but what this league needs is money and to stop ignoring things like the Europa League.Soulex posted:Going to the pizza. See you guys if I survive ._. the death pizza
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Aug 14, 2014 20:23
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Serie A is still just as good as any other league, their powerhouse teams are just weak relative to the powerhouses in the rest of Europe. Spending a decade or more not giving a poo poo about the secondary European competition is what hosed them over in terms of "coefficient".
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Aug 14, 2014 20:26
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Gigi Galli posted:I feel like we have this conversation every 10 pages or so, but what this league needs is money and to stop ignoring things like the Europa League.
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Aug 14, 2014 20:28
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Gigi Galli posted:I feel like we have this conversation every 10 pages or so, but what this league needs is money and to stop ignoring things like the Europa League. loving autocorrect... I actually can't bear to watch English football. It's...i don't know, bland to me. Bundesliga is honestly pretty good sometimes. Granted it has it's own struggles like Pep murdering Bayern (not trophy wise, the enjoy ability of their game) and smaller clubs having a difficult time getting up. But it's everywhere. Just like Serie A, except there is the above by Gigi. Money would help a lot. Look at some of the stadiums for a decent example. Not just the players. That and a large amount of the clubs are in debt it seems, or what. I gathered from that sheet I saw in last years thread. Imagine if we ended up with a crazy tycoon like PSG got to invest. They haven't gotten too far in Europe with all that money... Good on Conte sticking to his guns and getting final say for his squad too.
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Aug 14, 2014 20:39
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straight up brolic posted:pizza a la diavolo Pizza Napoli (the garbage man pizza)
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Aug 14, 2014 20:41
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Soulex posted:Pizza Napoli (the garbage man pizza) Garbage men make good pizza... 
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Aug 14, 2014 20:43
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Proper Napolitano pizza is actually the greatest pizza on earth.
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Aug 14, 2014 20:44
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Gigi Galli posted:Proper Napolitano pizza is actually the greatest pizza on earth.
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Gigi Galli posted:Proper Napolitano pizza is actually the greatest pizza on earth. Serie A 14/15: The quality of our league is inversely proportional to the quality of our pizza.
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Aug 14, 2014 20:48
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Gigi Galli posted:Proper Napolitano pizza is actually the greatest pizza on earth. yes, yes it is
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Aug 14, 2014 21:12
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Well I wouldnt know!
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Aug 14, 2014 21:33
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 End of the discrimination.
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Duro posted:Serie A is still just as good as any other league, their powerhouse teams are just weak relative to the powerhouses in the rest of Europe. Spending a decade or more not giving a poo poo about the secondary European competition is what hosed them over in terms of "coefficient". Its not about the coefficient but the player and team quality. Today's serie a teams aren't comparable to the 90s
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Aug 15, 2014 08:23
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Rossi has been left out of the squad for Real Madrid as well as Cuadrado and Roncaglia. They said that it was technical for Cuadrado and Roncaglia and medical for Rossi (who experienced some tightness in his flexor muscle). The technicality was because they wanted to test the starting line up for game 1. So why they didn't include him if he wasn't being sold is beyond me. Also, apparently Bayern are in for Savic with the injury to Javi Martinez. I don't understand how they chose him, but whatever. Probably just a rumor.
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Aug 15, 2014 12:49
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Gigi Galli posted:Proper Napolitano pizza is actually the greatest pizza on earth. Troy Queef posted:yes, yes it is Ah, get hosed all of you. You are all undeserving. So do you guys really think "not giving a poo poo about Europe" is what makes Serie A a weaker league? I feel like I hear of younger players that are supposed to be the next big thing that peter out or get sold off. Does player development or lack of, play a part? I mean everyone loves to go hunt down some gutter snipe from Rio or Buenos Aires instead of homegrowing players. Growing player ins Italy, would (I think) make player costs lower allowing for more money to spent back on the team and grow richer talent, raising the competition of the league. That will also attract the big name foreigners, again bringing the league up. I could also be full of poo poo and half-asleep.
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Funkysauce posted:Ah, get hosed all of you. You are all undeserving. I think not giving a poo poo about Europe made us lose the fourth CL place and consequently the prestige that came with it. Homegrown players are of course cheaper but why bother investing that money at home when you can invest it in someone who will pay off now? Football is about immediate results and it's just a quicker investment when you bring in foreign talent. Im not saying I agree, I just think that's the the line of thought for a lot of clubs. Also happy ferragosto, fuckers!!!
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Aug 15, 2014 14:52
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It's also cause the smaller Italian teams on the whole are in the shitter budget-wise, practically on the brink of bankrupcy every year, so when they do have a good prospect (Bonaventura, Perin) they ask insane amounts like 15-20 millions. Then teams like Fiorentina tell Atalanta to get hosed and they buy Marin for 5 (in a year).
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Aug 15, 2014 15:14
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What a lot of it comes down to is that homegrown talent means precisely dick if we can't pay when they get great and we can't pay without giving a poo poo in Europe/ on the national stage. We could see the next Messi, the next Baggio, the next Pele, rise up through the youth ranks and they would get sniped every time by another league who has the cash to pay for them.
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Aug 15, 2014 15:17
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Gigi Galli posted:Also happy ferragosto, fuckers!!! Totally forgot...stupid Americans.... My parents are making tomato sauce today too... I should have called out sick. I understand the point that homegrown talent would be sniped, but at the same time the amount of money they command could be useful going down the line. I'm not talking about immediate ROI here, which is obviously the mentality in sports in general. I'm talking 10 years or so, like the Bundesliga managed to do.
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Aug 15, 2014 15:29
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Vidic was stuck In an elevator for two hours today haha
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Aug 15, 2014 21:22
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Soulex posted:Vidic was stuck In an elevator for two hours today haha I got stuck in an elevator for 40 minutes in my aunt's building in Rome. What is up with Italian elevators?
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Aug 15, 2014 21:53
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Funkysauce posted:I got stuck in an elevator for 40 minutes in my aunt's building in Rome. What is up with Italian elevators? It ain't just an Italian thing: when I was at a track and field camp in high school a number of other people got stuck in an elevator for 90 minutes. And this was on a college campus here in the US (mind you, they were housing us in one of the older dorms).
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canepazzo posted:The biggest signing so far has been Morata; Iturbe just changed clubs within Serie A. Our top goalscorer left for Germany for not even 20m. Majority of the players signed so far are on a free, on a loan, or exchanges. It's not really that but the mixed effects of a few things: 1) new taxation rules for sponsors 2) someone ran the costs/benefits ratios of sponsoring football and was shown that it didn't pay 3) less money circulating 4) those with money actually investing in serious enterprises rather than stupid poo poo. 5) new rules concerning debts and assets of football clubs. Anyway, in the 2000s Moratti, Agnelli and Berlusconi outdid each other spending money on players who were frankly terrible. Moratti's family told him that they didn't want to pay for his toy anymore and sold the team to an ADTRW goon; Agnelli with their industrial policies can't spend lavishly on football unless they want Street riots, and Berlusconi needs to pay for his divorce and has to deal with dwindling advertisement revenues from his media empire.
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Cippalippus posted:It's not really that but the mixed effects of a few things: ......................./ 
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Rocco is smarter than most Italian politicians and businessmen to be fair.
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Well, it isn't a mystery that Serie A was used to launder money until a few years ago. That was the case of third and fourth line sponsors, of course, not the ones you see on jerseys or while they do interviews. The 3 names I mentioned are the owners or past owners of Milan, Inter and Juventus. Roma went through some troubles too, and so did Lazio. Genoese teams are too "poor" to afford a deep roster. Thorir's Internazionale is the only team that could spend more money than the others, without image drawbacks. You can't fire workers from your factories and spend on football players (Juventus, but also in part AC Milan). Sport sponsorships in general have been put under the scrutiny of the Agenzia delle entrate, the Irs of Italy, and they're finding a lot of irregularities.
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Cippalippus posted:Well, it isn't a mystery that Serie A was used to launder money until a few years ago. That was the case of third and fourth line sponsors, of course, not the ones you see on jerseys or while they do interviews. This is old news though, Berlusconi has been doing this since the 90's, and even the Sensi family was implicated with financial crimes while they owned Roma. Doesn't the Guardia di Finanza have a special sporting crimes unit because of this?
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Aug 16, 2014 04:08
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Parma, Lazio, late 90s, imagine that.
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Aug 16, 2014 04:52
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My team is the poster child of 90s and early 2000s wild spending. We bankrupted and went to play in C2 (in England you'd call it...3rd division?) in Gubbio (population: 32998, less than our stadium capacity) and us fans had to dig out the stadium and the pitch from the snow or the match would have been postponed. Yet, a good chunk of my fellow Fiorentina fans still remember fondly of the Cecchi Gori days... (what they really are missing is Batistuta, but since CG was the prez at the time, they associate).
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The only thing I remember about the Cecchi Gori family is the logofor the film studio and the 9 trillion ads for every film on La Sette. I had completely forgotten that they owned Fiorentina.
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Aug 16, 2014 06:33
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The guardia di finanza are the fiscal police unit, they don't go for small fishes usually. More likely it's the Agenzia delle entrate conducting their searches. I know this because I'm a commercialista, by the way  Sport sponsorships used to be dirty business at every level and in every sport, but obviously the Serie A took the lion's share.
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Aug 16, 2014 10:23
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Son of a bitch! Ronaldo just clowned Fiorentina 3 minutes in
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Aug 16, 2014 19:49
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YES!!! SUPER MARIO! HHIT THAT loving BUTTON!!
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Aug 16, 2014 20:13
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That was a good goal, my boy Keylor need to start yelling so those shitlords stop loving up
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I'm stoked Navas has a great club to go to. Dude deserves it especially after that phenomenal World Cup experience. And I'm just glad Gomez is getting it back. Supposedly they are also going to to be talking to see if they can't snipe Khederia away from arsenal. It's not like Arsenal need anymore midfielders anyways
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YYYYYYEEEESSSSSSS! I don't give a gently caress if it's a friendly. It's Real loving Madrid
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