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SectumSempra posted:Do the police vehicles in this town not have dash cameras? No. Somehow, despite all that military hardware they've acquired, the County Police never did get around installing dashcams. Funny thing, that.
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SectumSempra posted:Do the police vehicles in this town not have dash cameras? Nope. They can afford tanks, M-16s, and LBEs, but no free dashcams from DoD1033.
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Von Sloneker posted:Pretty timely that last night's Young Turks featured a segment showing examples of how when a white person commits a crime, headlines will often declare that they were otherwise a nonviolent person or were victims themselves (one of those mass shooters, I forget which, was "brilliant" and interested in physics or geology or something, or the Columbine shooters were "bullied") yet when a black person is the victim of a crime, the headline will mention a history of their own criminal/violent behavior. The latter obviously is already happening now. Innocent until proven guilty or guilty until proven innocent? The difference is black and white. beefart posted:But you see, a hulking 6'3", 250+ lbs. Negro is a deadly weapon, so he acted reasonably! Just like Zimmerman had to shoot Trayvon because he was armed with the cement that was under his feet. Someone posted a picture of the hat near the body earlier. (Thankfully cropped.) So yeah, the entire thing comes down to "We shot a teenager, but he did a bad thing that was completely tangential to why we approached him, but we totally didn't mean for that information to be spread by the press or anything."
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OK. so the local police were right to kill him then. Glad we cleared that up.
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Neo Duckberg posted:So then what happened at the store? He shoplifted? To be honest, it sort of looks like shenanigans where they move the boxes around and pocket cigarettes while the cashier is distracted, but it didn't work. Or maybe it was a dispute over an ID that was expired. Or maybe we'll find out that there's a charge on his debit card matching the time of the video and therefore the employee was blocking him from leaving with the goods he purchased. Maybe he was just an rear end in a top hat. (Still didn't deserve to get shot)
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:Nope. They can afford tanks, M-16s, and LBEs, but no free dashcams from DoD1033. Wasn't the military equipment free? In any case, they should definitely have dashcams.
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The police chief just confirmed: Officer who shot Michael Brown did not know he was a robbery suspect at the time.
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Neo Duckberg posted:So then what happened at the store? He shoplifted? If the report is to be believed they grabbed a bunch of swishers from behind the counter and went to dash and a clerk ran over to lock the door to keep them in and Brown pushed them away.
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So the video is entirely an attempt to downplay causing a riot and trying to rationalize the cops actions? But then having a press conference to show, he just did a hidden good deed but entirely hosed up and the guy who got killed was a bad bad man, he pushed someone.
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At least the Swisher Corporation can rest easy tonight.
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You take my flipping blunts? Death penalty bitch.
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ShutteredIn posted:The police chief just confirmed: Officer who shot Michael Brown did not know he was a robbery suspect at the time. Well then the robbery is absolutely irrelevant and just character assassination.
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tadashi posted:Wasn't the military equipment free? In any case, they should definitely have dashcams. Technically, I believe they get a grant from the DoD for the cost of the items they will buy from the DoD. The long and short of it is that it works out to be free for the department.
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Berke Negri posted:If the report is to be believed they grabbed a bunch of swishers from behind the counter and went to dash and a clerk ran over to lock the door to keep them in and Brown pushed them away. That's more or less what the video shows. It's also totally irrelevant in light of the Ferguson Chief's press conference.
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OptimusMatrix posted:Well then the robbery is absolutely irrelevant and just character assassination. Execution followed by character assassination maybe?
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OptimusMatrix posted:Well then the robbery is absolutely irrelevant and just character assassination. if the cop's defense is that Brown reacted violently to a confrontation, it's not character assassination at all since the (supposed) fact that the victim had just committed a violent crime could help to explain his reaction.
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Twitter: Yamiche Alcindor @Yamiche 10m Jackson said he released the robbery information and video because he "had to" comply with freedom of information requests. Christopher Hayes @chrislhayes 6m As we reported earlier this week, ACLU put in open records request for incident pertaining to the *shooting*. Nothing about a robbery.
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OptimusMatrix posted:Well then the robbery is absolutely irrelevant and just character assassination. Not really. It lends weight to the police narrative; it means that Michael Brown had a reason to fight with the police officer. I don't buy a kid tussling with a cop because he was walking in a road, but right after a robbery it makes far more sense. The forensics report is really the only way to know which version of events is true, though. Edit: Beaten.
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Gregor Samsa posted:That's more or less what the video shows. It's also totally irrelevant in light of the Ferguson Chief's press conference. OptimusMatrix posted:Well then the robbery is absolutely irrelevant and just character assassination. It's been stated before by others plenty of times, but the footage is still relevant for making the case that Brown could have been combative with the officer. It's a counterpoint to the "he would never harm a fly" narrative. Spacman posted:Execution followed by character assassination maybe? Your witty one-liner gimmick posts are almost as amazing as the one on your rap sheet, please never stop. 
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Michael Arlowe posted:Not really. It lends weight to the police narrative; it means that Michael Brown had a reason to fight with the police officer. I don't buy a kid tussling with a cop because he was walking in a road, but right after a robbery it makes far more sense. The forensics report is really the only way to know which version of events is true, though. All of which you describe though is character assassination because they are not using this in a trial as evidence, they are using this in the court of public opinion to shift the narrative to favor them.
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Cenodoxus posted:It's been stated before by others plenty of times, but the footage is still relevant for making the case that Brown could have been combative with the officer. It's a counterpoint to the "he would never harm a fly" narrative. So that alone absolves the officer of going batshit? This isn't a trial, this was released to the press, when the ACLU wanted information regarding the shooting.
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Cenodoxus posted:Your witty one-liner gimmick posts are almost as amazing as the one on your rap sheet, please never stop. Go eat a dick. E: This is a great example of the kind of bullshit going on here. If you have a rap sheet you deserve whatever happens. Thanks for displaying the problem in US society. A kid died by the way... (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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DARPA posted:Fergunson has 18 squad cars. They purchased two cameras but could not afford to install them. Military grade combat gear, assault rifles, and a literal APC:  Dash-cam installation: Priceles. To the goddamn ACLU!
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Gregor Samsa posted:That's more or less what the video shows. It's also totally irrelevant in light of the Ferguson Chief's press conference. Also I'm, as a man who has spent a lot of time buying tobacco products in gas stations, partial to the idea that they tried to buy a bunch of swishers and got into an argument because his ID was expired so they just grabbed the swishers and left. Because I'm assuming QTs are pretty similar and leaning over the counter to snatched a bunch of cheap cigars is as plausible as leaning over to grab a bunch of porno mags from the counter.
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Cenodoxus posted:Your witty one-liner gimmick posts are almost as amazing as the one on your rap sheet, please never stop. A young kid is dead.
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ZorajitZorajit posted:Military grade combat gear, assault rifles, and a literal APC: quote:Where is the video? Why is the federal government giving out grants for armored personnel carriers but not dash and body cams? 
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Cenodoxus posted:It's been stated before by others plenty of times, but the footage is still relevant for making the case that Brown could have been combative with the officer. It's a counterpoint to the "he would never harm a fly" narrative. In most places you kinda just arrest a guy. If that were the case maybe he wouldn't be walking in a really obvious middle of the street as opposed to being inconspicuous. Those sorts of assumptions are exactly why what they did by releasing the video is effective. Need way more evidence. The police officer was also described as gentle and quiet. Shooting someone multiple times as opposed to the many other options available to an officer?
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Was there any validity to the friend (who wants to be questioned by police) admitting to stealing the cigars with Brown?
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:All of which you describe though is character assassination because they are not using this in a trial as evidence, they are using this in the court of public opinion to shift the narrative to favor them. I don't doubt for a second that they're doing this to make it more palatable if they decide that the officer's use of force was justified.
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Buckwheat Sings posted:A young kid is dead. Oh god no, here comes 20 pages of people arguing over the definition of "kid"!
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Berke Negri posted:Also I'm, as a man who has spent a lot of time buying tobacco products in gas stations, partial to the idea that they tried to buy a bunch of swishers and got into an argument because his ID was expired so they just grabbed the swishers and left. Because I'm assuming QTs are pretty similar and leaning over the counter to snatched a bunch of cheap cigars is as plausible as leaning over to grab a bunch of porno mags from the counter. I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out Brown left the $50 on the counter, but the clerk called it in as a theft because he didn't want to be accused of selling tobacco without valid id. I doubt it happened, but it makes more sense to me then robbing a store in broad daylight and sauntering home.
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Nonsense posted:So that alone absolves the officer of going batshit? This isn't a trial, this was released to the press, when the ACLU wanted information regarding the shooting. What part of my post ever said it absolves the officer of anything? I just said it adds some credibility to the PD's claim that Brown was combative/there was a violent struggle, and it removes some credibility from the Brown side. Buckwheat Sings posted:A young kid is dead. Oh wow thanks for reminding me, I totally forgot.
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Buckwheat Sings posted:A young kid is dead. And that marked the moment when the Just Asking Questions Brigade pounced on the burning debate over just how young, exactly, the murdered individual was. Not because they were looking for any excuse to muddy the waters of his murder with irrelevant detail implying (but never stating! Heavens no, where would you get that idea?) that he was actually a knuck-dragging brute whom we're all better off without.
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ZorajitZorajit posted:Military grade combat gear, assault rifles, and a literal APC: People in this thread keep mixing up two different police departments.
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AstheWorldWorlds posted:Oh god no, here comes 20 pages of people arguing over the definition of "kid"! Seriously. If this guy had been white he would have been treated like every other white adult. Not shot.
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Cenodoxus posted:What part of my post ever said it absolves the officer of anything? I just said it adds some credibility to the PD's claim that Brown was combative/there was a violent struggle, and it removes some credibility from the Brown side. How have multiple eye witnesses reported literally everything the opposite of what you claim now has credibility?
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DARPA posted:I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out Brown left the $50 on the counter, but the clerk called it in as a theft because he didn't want to be accused of selling tobacco without valid id. I doubt it happened, but it makes more sense to me then robbing a store in broad daylight and sauntering home. Even though the whole interaction is on video we still got the "make whatever I want up the NARRATIVE needs to be maintained no matter what" crowd is unfazed.
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Cenodoxus posted:It's been stated before by others plenty of times, but the footage is still relevant for making the case that Brown could have been combative with the officer. It's a counterpoint to the "he would never harm a fly" narrative. I'm granting that Brown pushed the officer-- hell, I'll even pretend he punched him (which absolutely no one has asserted, I am making it up)--and ran away. He was still gunned down after running away and (according to eyewitnesses) showing himself to be unarmed. Pushing a store clerk and otherwise acting like something of a dickheaded 18 year old a couple hours prior is not relevant.
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Cenodoxus posted:What part of my post ever said it absolves the officer of anything? I just said it adds some credibility to the PD's claim that Brown was combative/there was a violent struggle, and it removes some credibility from the Brown side. Removes some credibility from Brown's side? I'll bite: what about this makes the reports of 3 eyewitnesses who tell the same story less credible?
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