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pathetic little tramp posted:Here you go! The "police policy" trope really pisses me off, and I think we should try to call people out on using it. It doesn't matter in the least what police policy is; it matters what the law is. Otherwise we don't live in a democracy if the rules governing when our government can kill its citizens are decided by unelected technocrats rather than the legislature. Anyone arguing for the relevancy of police policy at mitigating responsibility should be reminded that it is just a variation of the just-following-orders defense that we so roundly rejected at Nuremberg. fake edit: and no, I'm not trying to compare the cops to Nazis. It's just a stupid argument people (including some Nazis and man non-Nazis) make.
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Elotana posted:LEO now leaking (or making poo poo up about) Brown's sealed juvenile record through conservative Twitter, because reasons Lol what. They're asking me to believe that a black child was charged with murder and didn't go to jail as an adult? And that he was still able to go to college and his life wasn't ruined? That there aren't any articles about it? They joke.
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Elotana posted:LEO now leaking (or making poo poo up about) Brown's sealed juvenile record through conservative Twitter, because reasons  Holy poo poo, that's some next level smear campaign poo poo going on over there now.
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Aug 18, 2014 20:48
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A Winner is Jew posted:
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Aug 18, 2014 20:49
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUdHIatS36A Is that George Zimmerman's lawyer at 4:23?
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Aug 18, 2014 20:49
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Reporters now claiming that Michael Brown also supports Palestine, that scum. Kill him now!! Oh wait, he's already dead.
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Elotana posted:LEO now leaking (or making poo poo up about) Brown's sealed juvenile record through conservative Twitter, because reasons HAHahahahha that's this shitstain. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/charles-johnson-lawsuit-sam-hall-mississippi Probably safe to dismiss this poo poo for now.
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KernelSlanders posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUdHIatS36A Yeah he's a CNN pundit now.
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Magres posted:I'm kinda surprised no enterprising criminals have ever tried doing fake no-knocks to steal poo poo in plain sight. I know of 2 people who were robbed by fake cops knocking on the door. One had fake warrant.
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Aug 18, 2014 20:52
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Aug 18, 2014 20:52
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bassguitarhero posted:St. Louis county cops scared as gently caress right now Also, isn't leaking someone's juvenile records like one of those things that like as bad as being caught destroying evidence? Something that will basically piss a judge off and make them never give you the benefit of doubt during trial?
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Popular Thug Drink posted:Yeah but then we're just blaming the victim, as in the double standard means black children are more likely to get tear gassed to it's irresponsible to bring them to a majority-black protest. White people are afforded higher protections. Plenty of black people have challenged the participation of children in the Civil Rights movement precisely because white supremacist violence is real. This isn't a hypothetical situation. It's one thing to theorize that leaving your children behind is self-victimization; it's another to know for a fact that you risk danger via participation. Many African Americans chose not to participate in demonstrations throughout the past hundred years of activism for fear of violence. That's an incredibly difficult dilemma, and one that intensifies when you're talking about children who may have limited agency. I understand your argument, but it's too idealized. And I'll concede from here on. No need to derail further. edit: vvv oh, for sure. The original racist dude's comments are much more prevalent in these discussions but I just didn't want to dismiss the broader idea entirely. It's an incredibly tough subject that can border on the other extreme of victim-blaming, where the assumption is that all black people (and their children, in this scenario) need to be heroically involved in every protest against racism. i am the bird fucked around with this message at 21:00 on Aug 18, 2014 |
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Naet posted:Plenty of black people have challenged the participation of children in the Civil Rights movement precisely because white supremacist violence is real. This isn't a hypothetical situation. It's one thing to theorize that leaving your children behind is self-victimization; it's another to know for a fact that you risk danger via participation. Many African Americans chose not to participate in demonstrations throughout the past hundred years of activism for fear of violence. That's an incredibly difficult dilemma, and one that intensifies when you're talking about children who may have limited agency. I understand your argument, but it's too idealized. Oh I agree with you, I'm just saying that when people say "why would you bring a child to this" what they're saying is "why would you bring a (black) child to this (place where we specifically do violence against black people)"
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Aug 18, 2014 20:57
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In retrospect, you end up looking like a crazy conspiracy theorist when you go "Don't trust the media! It's all lies!" The only problem is that's absolutely true. The media narrative is a whole bunch of outright lies and distortions of the truth.
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Aug 18, 2014 20:59
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chitoryu12 posted:In retrospect, you end up looking like a crazy conspiracy theorist when you go "Don't trust the media! It's all lies!" The only sources you can trust are the Twitch streams it seems, and those are disjointed and chaotic too. It's a clusterfuck all the way up and down, and people on the fence demand evidence and proven facts that don't exist, and may never exist.
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Aug 18, 2014 21:03
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chitoryu12 posted:In retrospect, you end up looking like a crazy conspiracy theorist when you go "Don't trust the media! It's all lies!" And character assassination.
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Crain posted:And character assassination. Technically the cops are the ones doing the assassination.  The media is guilty of never checking things before it airs if it's from the police out of fear of being behind the other guy and loosing viewers.
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Aug 18, 2014 21:06
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BottledBodhisvata posted:The only sources you can trust are the Twitch streams it seems, and those are disjointed and chaotic too. It's a clusterfuck all the way up and down, and people on the fence demand evidence and proven facts that don't exist, and may never exist. The streams end up being the best resource because it's the next best thing to actually being in Ferguson getting tear gassed yourself. You can literally see the stuff as it happens and when the media reports on it you start going "No, that's bullshit. I saw that exact incident and that never happened." Like, remember the police press conference last night that the girls filmed? Every one of us started calling bullshit because so many of us saw what happened (almost) with our own eyes.
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Aug 18, 2014 21:08
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Another link to the Obama livestream if anyone needs it. He's late again, as usual. He might be waiting until 4:20 in honor of the Choom Gang 
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Aug 18, 2014 21:10
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Elotana posted:LEO now leaking (or making poo poo up about) Brown's sealed juvenile record through conservative Twitter, because reasons It isn't even hard to disprove this poo poo. Why? I mean, I know why, just...goddamn. 
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I have issues with labeling "the media" as a single entity, but I do want to point out something pretty weird about CNN's web coverage: Here's their front page headline and teaser: quote:Attorney: Autopsy results enough to charge officer Here's the headline when you open the story: quote:Michael Brown rushed officer, radio caller says The first several paragraphs: quote:Ferguson, Missouri (CNN) -- The Ferguson, Missouri, police officer who killed Michael Brown says the teenager rushed at him full speed in the moments before the shooting, according to an account phoned into a St. Louis radio station and confirmed as accurate by a source with detailed knowledge of the investigation. But then here's the rest of the first section. quote:Earlier Monday, an autopsy conducted for the family of Brown found no evidence that he struggled with Wilson before his death, according to the pathologist in charge of the examination. It seems like they wrote one story (which was fairly balanced, although I don't like their section on the protesters, and it at least acknowledges various attempts to control the narrative) and then another writer came in and added the first few paragraphs and changed the headline. They must have multiple people updating it without a lot of coordination. Not a shock from CNN, who are often not the most with it.
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Magres posted:I'm kinda surprised no enterprising criminals have ever tried doing fake no-knocks to steal poo poo in plain sight. This is actually a pretty common way to steal drugs. Even the Wire did it, but I've seen it happen in the real world. Oh, and they also often kill people, even when compliant. --- I will say, that as a 6'4" tall man, if I am charging you head down, you still need to be like 6'6" to make hitting the top of my head make any sense. nm fucked around with this message at 21:16 on Aug 18, 2014 |
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It's actually really common for stories to be written like that. They know that most people won't read the whole thing (especially an article as long as that one), so whatever narrative they want to push gets put at the very top and may even be written as if it's fact (as you see there, with them only putting "the caller said" at the end of each statement). Then it's not until toward the end of the article that contradictory statements that reveal the bullshit get posted. I saw this today with an article on AOL News. It was a typical hysterical "NEW DRUG ON THE STREETS RISING IN POPULARITY!" fear mongering, talking about a new drug called "wax" that's 15-20 times stronger than marijuana and causes psychosis and brain damage. It's not until the very last lines of the article that they admit that they're just talking about hash oil under a new slang term and the supposed psychosis and brain damage aren't actually supported by any medical studies and is just some bullshit being repeated by a cop.
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chitoryu12 posted:It's actually really common for stories to be written like that. They know that most people won't read the whole thing (especially an article as long as that one), so whatever narrative they want to push gets put at the very top and may even be written as if it's fact (as you see there, with them only putting "the caller said" at the end of each statement). Then it's not until toward the end of the article that contradictory statements that reveal the bullshit get posted.
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Aug 18, 2014 21:17
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What is Obamas talking point for the day? We murdered some folks?
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https://twitter.com/Truthbuster/status/501454355460259840 RT @thom_wong: Have to write this again: #MikeBrown was shot TWICE as many x as ALL firearms discharged by British Police last yr #Ferguson
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Russia, China, and Iran are taking up the opportunity to troll the US. http://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg-ferguson-michael-brown-shooting-world-reaction-20140818-story.html#page=1
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hcreight posted:Russia, China, and Iran are taking up the opportunity to troll the US. Good. This is bullshit. I can't believe just how predictably this is mirroring the Treyvon Martin shooting. This, along with the regular school shootings, is America's legacy right now.
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Aug 18, 2014 21:20
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hcreight posted:Russia, China, and Iran are taking up the opportunity to troll the US. The hell is the Sri Lanka paper doing talking about gun violence? The only gun violence that's been going on in Ferguson has been from the cops.
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Aug 18, 2014 21:23
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bassguitarhero posted:I called my mum yesterday, who lives in England, who immediately freaked the entire gently caress out that I was in Ferguson to begin with and was sure that Mike Brown was a "bully" because the only thing she'd seen was the security camera footage. She was livid I would be working on a documentary about his death when he was clearly such a bad guy. That's the effect the media has on a white woman who has a black son. Life is strange.
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nm posted:This is actually a pretty common way to steal drugs. Even the Wire did it, but I've seen it happen in the real world. Oh, and they also often kill people, even when compliant. Whichever version of events happened, that last shot probably hit him as he was falling down from the previous shots.
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hcreight posted:Russia, China, and Iran are taking up the opportunity to troll the US. A Putin "Hands up, don't shoot!" pose would be gold.
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Aug 18, 2014 21:26
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Obama speaking: http://www.whitehouse.gov/live (On IS so far.)
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Aug 18, 2014 21:27
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greatn posted:Whichever version of events happened, that last shot probably hit him as he was falling down from the previous shots. Probably. And this detail BY ITSELF isn't necessarily damning.
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chitoryu12 posted:I saw this today with an article on AOL News. It was a typical hysterical "NEW DRUG ON THE STREETS RISING IN POPULARITY!" fear mongering, talking about a new drug called "wax" that's 15-20 times stronger than marijuana and causes psychosis and brain damage. It's not until the very last lines of the article that they admit that they're just talking about hash oil under a new slang term and the supposed psychosis and brain damage aren't actually supported by any medical studies and is just some bullshit being repeated by a cop. They actually called wax "disguised as a household item", as if it's disguised as anything (it's not, and legally must be sold in child-resistant packaging anyways), and as if paraffin wax is a common household item in TYOOL 2014.
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zen death robot posted:Check out the twitter feeds of the three people that have writer credits on that and tell me who sees like the shittiest writer desperate for some hits: From the looks of that it seems like Pearson's dream job is Buzzfeed.
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