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Welcome to D&D, come for the tedious arguments, stay for the unvarnished racism
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Aug 24, 2014 14:33
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uncurable mlady posted:Welcome to D&D, come for the tedious arguments, stay for the unvarnished racism
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Aug 24, 2014 14:53
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FactsAreUseless posted:What do you mean "unvarnished?" That is some practiced, polished, professional racism right there. That's fine rich mahogany racism, or at least a decent oak. It's no particle board. It definitely has varnish. Sometimes it can be charmingly paternalistic, other times hostile and aggressive - you know I'm talking about inlays here, people. We're making variation present in this racism. LeJackal fucked around with this message at 15:13 on Aug 24, 2014 |
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Aug 24, 2014 15:10
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FactsAreUseless posted:What do you mean "unvarnished?" That is some practiced, polished, professional racism right there. That's fine rich mahogany racism, or at least a decent oak. It's no particle board. It definitely has varnish. Mahogany? What's wrong with you? Birch only.
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Aug 24, 2014 15:15
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on the left posted:A good portion of America genuinely feels that Officer Wilson did nothing wrong.
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Aug 24, 2014 15:36
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KernelSlanders posted:Mahogany? What's wrong with you? Birch only. Rich, corinthian racism.
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Aug 24, 2014 15:44
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i am harry posted:By the admission of some Wilson supporters yesterday, they more accurately believe that a thief should be shot dead.
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Aug 24, 2014 15:49
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FactsAreUseless posted:"Sharia Law? No way, we hate it! It coddles criminals by just cutting off a hand!" -- Wilson supporters only applies to blacks and other untermenschen, our precious white children are incapable of being malicious, they just make mistakes
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Aug 24, 2014 15:59
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You only need one hand to steal a handful of swishers. Executing criminals is the only way to be sure they wont do it again. Seems perfectly rational to me.
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Aug 24, 2014 16:00
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on the left posted:I haven't been able to find any answer on how many bullets he fired. It doesn't matter how many the officer used though, he'd be justified in dumping the magazine to stop an advancing threat. 1 was fired in the car. 1 or more were fired while Brown was running away. 6 struck Brown.
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Aug 24, 2014 16:28
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I love "college leftists" as an insult because it reveals the reactionaries' disdain of education and learning. "Can't trust that one folks, he reads them books that got all sorts of funny ideas in 'em. Now me, I learned from the school of the Real World, sitting at my great-grandpappy's knee listening to him tell how a black boy'll stab you the second you turn yer back" 
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Aug 24, 2014 16:51
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on the left posted:What must your worldview be like to think that the only reason someone could think the way I do is to rile up a bunch of college leftists? People are able to have ideas that differ from your own, that's the point of democracy. A good portion of America genuinely feels that Officer Wilson did nothing wrong. Personally I think the shooting was part of a lovers quarrel, Brown and Wilson were probably had a secret but genuine and intense romance and Brown had jilted Wilson in some way. This is consistent with Wilson stopping Brown for the minor crime of jaywalking. It also explains how Brown may have ran away but turned back on an armed officer after being 30 feet away-he realized his true feelings and turned to race towards Wilson and embrace him, realizing that the social consequences of admitting his love could never hurt as much as the gaping hole in his heart would should he ignore his feelings. Wilson, in a fit of panic and irrational anger combined with the fear of some of his other officers (who we now know were homophobic to the point of endorsing violence) fired on Brown in a irrational attempt to protect himself from both the consequences of their relationship as well as his true feelings. This was not a tragedy of racism but instead a Shakespearean one, like to Othello or some stupid poo poo like that.
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Aug 24, 2014 16:53
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Saw all of the new posts and reports of the police doing ~something~ and feared the worst, luckily it was just everyone getting trolled all night.
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Aug 24, 2014 17:24
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Bifner McDoogle posted:Personally I think the shooting was part of a lovers quarrel, Brown and Wilson were probably had a secret but genuine and intense romance and Brown had jilted Wilson in some way. This is consistent with Wilson stopping Brown for the minor crime of jaywalking. It also explains how Brown may have ran away but turned back on an armed officer after being 30 feet away-he realized his true feelings and turned to race towards Wilson and embrace him, realizing that the social consequences of admitting his love could never hurt as much as the gaping hole in his heart would should he ignore his feelings. Wilson, in a fit of panic and irrational anger combined with the fear of some of his other officers (who we now know were homophobic to the point of endorsing violence) fired on Brown in a irrational attempt to protect himself from both the consequences of their relationship as well as his true feelings. This was not a tragedy of racism but instead a Shakespearean one, like to Othello or some stupid poo poo like that.  Holy poo poo, and still more plausible than many of the theories posted here.
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Aug 24, 2014 18:06
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Agents are GO! posted:
Fixed that for you
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Aug 24, 2014 18:19
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Aug 24, 2014 18:55
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Today's paper:
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Aug 24, 2014 18:57
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Here in Hawaii most of the police is locals (not haoles like me) at least. I don't know if that makes a difference in the quality of interactions with citizens, but it at least makes things not appear as lopsided as that.
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Aug 24, 2014 19:00
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Neo Duckberg posted:Who would have thought that despite vigorous protesting nothing would change... I know right? The Montgomery Bus Boycott was resolved in what, a day or two? Kilty Monroe posted:So, as of right now, is the "charging" account of Brown's shooting part of the official police version of events, or has it always been something just passed around by racist idiots believing it was official? Aren't those the same people? edit KernelSlanders posted:Mahogany? What's wrong with you? Birch only. loving right here.
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Aug 24, 2014 19:05
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I have pushed people before. Guess I need to be gunned down in the name of public safety
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Aug 24, 2014 19:41
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No way. NO loving way.
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Aug 24, 2014 19:44
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On Terra Firma posted:No way. NO loving way. You have faith in humanity? Shameful.
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Aug 24, 2014 19:46
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On Terra Firma posted:No way. NO loving way. I wouldn't doubt that someone in the crowd was saying that.
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Aug 24, 2014 19:47
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On Terra Firma posted:No way. NO loving way. How many Americans have you met? That is TOTALLY possible.
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Aug 24, 2014 19:50
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Michael Brown's funeral is tomorrow, the brown family is asking for no protests as well. I'm almost done with the documentary, I was thinking about releasing it tomorrow but I think I will wait until Tuesday for the family.
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Aug 24, 2014 19:51
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I hope someone got those "shoot shoot shoot" on camera 
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Aug 24, 2014 19:59
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VitalSigns posted:I love "college leftists" as an insult because it reveals the reactionaries' disdain of education and learning. Yeah that's funny, given the white american cynicism and hatred of large government that they think its solely in the purview of college leftists and rioting blacks to distrust and dislike the police, as if the cops were totally welcome in chinatowns and koreatowns etc. either.
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Aug 24, 2014 20:17
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Peven Stan posted:Yeah that's funny, given the white american cynicism and hatred of large government that they think its solely in the purview of college leftists and rioting blacks to distrust and dislike the police, as if the cops were totally welcome in chinatowns and koreatowns etc. either. You forgot that to those guys, the Chinese and Koreans are "slant-eyed shifty thieves."
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Aug 24, 2014 21:06
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Samurai Sanders posted:Here in Hawaii most of the police is locals (not haoles like me) at least. I don't know if that makes a difference in the quality of interactions with citizens, but it at least makes things not appear as lopsided as that. In the UK any situation where things are likely to get tasty involves totally different police than those who regularly work in the area being drafted in. The assumed wisdom is that local officers might hesitate to put the baton in, no idea if that's fully the reason but it passes the smell test.
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Aug 24, 2014 21:20
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Has someone already posted the wapo story about how the killer officer's previous job was at a police department that had to be shut down due to extreme racism?
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Aug 24, 2014 21:26
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Vitamin P posted:In the UK any situation where things are likely to get tasty involves totally different police than those who regularly work in the area being drafted in. The assumed wisdom is that local officers might hesitate to put the baton in, no idea if that's fully the reason but it passes the smell test. From what I understand, the UK police are viewed by the public (and in turn view the public) much differently than in the United States. Here, there's a general "gently caress the police" attitude almost anywhere you go even among law-abiding citizens because of the rampant abuse and corruption, as well as the tendency for the cops to draw their guns as a first resort and shoot tons of unarmed, unthreatening people. The cops do that because they're taught to treat every suspect as potentially a violent lunatic about to murder everyone around them to get out of arrest (people love to bring up the prevalence of armed criminals in the US to justify that fear, but statistically an officer is pretty unlikely to get shot during the day). British police aren't really treated that way at all, nor are you especially likely to be walking down the street with your hands in your pockets and get screamed at and gunned down for looking too shifty and dark-skinned.
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Aug 24, 2014 21:26
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Trabisnikof posted:Has someone already posted the wapo story about how the killer officer's previous job was at a police department that had to be shut down due to extreme racism? Also that the GoFundMe for Wilson was setup directly by the Ferguson PD.
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Aug 24, 2014 21:26
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Vitamin P posted:In the UK any situation where things are likely to get tasty involves totally different police than those who regularly work in the area being drafted in. The assumed wisdom is that local officers might hesitate to put the baton in, no idea if that's fully the reason but it passes the smell test.
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Aug 24, 2014 21:27
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All you guys were saying that conservatives don't want to fund police departments, which is clearly wrong. They just want to be able to incentivize good behavior.
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Aug 24, 2014 21:29
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Evil_Greven posted:From the NYT article awhile back, we can surmise that at least 8 shots were fired. The one fired while brown was running away may also have been one of the ones that struck brown. There are some accounts that suggest he was hit, then turned around to surrender. Also, do we know where the shot that went off in the car hit? It seems like that location should pretty clearly either support or contradict the "he reached for the gun" story.
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Aug 24, 2014 21:29
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AlliedBiscuit posted:I'm pretty damned sure the other witnesses said Brown tried to surrender and never mentioned "charging". Being shot 3-4 times made him angry, and you wouldn't like him when he's angry... i am harry posted:By the admission of some Wilson supporters yesterday, they more accurately believe that a thief should be shot dead. They must love Rand Paul's platform of killing people who rob liquor stores with a predator drone.
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Aug 24, 2014 21:30
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like I get that a lot of internet nerds are terrified of physical contact but "pushed a guy once" is not sufficient qualification to be named a Menace to Society
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Aug 24, 2014 21:31
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Every single witness account (all independently of each other, not people who know each other or discussed the story beforehand) said that Brown ran away and then surrendered before being killed. The "he hulked out and charged" thing comes from an anonymous source that claims to have heard it as the official police record, and it's being repeated without corroboration. Any time you try to point out to a Wilson supporter that the story goes against all witness accounts and doesn't match the autopsy report, they ironically say "We don't have enough information to confirm that."
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Aug 24, 2014 21:32
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chitoryu12 posted:From what I understand, the UK police are viewed by the public (and in turn view the public) much differently than in the United States. Here, there's a general "gently caress the police" attitude almost anywhere you go even among law-abiding citizens because of the rampant abuse and corruption, as well as the tendency for the cops to draw their guns as a first resort and shoot tons of unarmed, unthreatening people. The cops do that because they're taught to treat every suspect as potentially a violent lunatic about to murder everyone around them to get out of arrest (people love to bring up the prevalence of armed criminals in the US to justify that fear, but statistically an officer is pretty unlikely to get shot during the day). I've tried to make this point repeatedly in the police reform thread, but it's not really corruption that's the problem. Police departments do take corruption very seriously and will prosecute police who attempt to enrich themselves either from the department itself or members of the community. Rather the problem is abuse of police power through unjustified violence on people in the community (often, but not exclusively minorities) and bending/breaking rules to secure more fines or civil forfeitures that enrich police departments or other convictions that make the departments look good that the police as an institution encourage and protect their officers from repercussions.
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Aug 24, 2014 21:34
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PupsOfWar posted:like I get that a lot of internet nerds are terrified of physical contact but "pushed a guy once" is not sufficient qualification to be named a Menace to Society This 84 year old man could've easily killed or seriously maimed dozens of officers with his shove so it makes sense to beat the poo poo out of him
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Aug 24, 2014 21:35
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