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Sergg posted:You do realize that ISIS used to be called "Al-Qaeda in Iraq" by Western journalists, right? A successor state existing does not mean that the original state did not fail.
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qkkl posted:I'm not very familiar with genocides, but why do the prisoners literally run to lay down so they can get executed? Wouldn't it be more fun to try to run away and get shot in the back while feeling the wind through your hair? 
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Sergg posted:You do realize that ISIS used to be called "Al-Qaeda in Iraq" by Western journalists, right? I thought Zarqawi adopted the Al-Qaeda brand directly to maximize fear in US forces and rally the disaffected (saying 'this is the meme that hurt them before, it can hurt them again') If the formal name was 'Islamic State in Iraq' and the information apparatus went 'tohayto tomahto' and used 'AQ in Iraq' that would not surprise me. Zarqawi and Zawahiri could feed back on each other both directly and indirectly until the Syrian War drove the change into ISIL.
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McDowell posted:I thought Zarqawi adopted the Al-Qaeda brand directly to maximize fear in US forces and rally the disaffected (saying 'this is the meme that hurt them before, it can hurt them again') stupid question, but wasn't Zarqawi loving nuts, like so nuts bin laden condemned him a bunch of times. also i read somewhere Zarqawi hosed kids or something heinous like that. So i can See Isis eventually growing out of somebody like him. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 00:01 on Sep 8, 2014 |
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pengun101 posted:stupid question, but wasn't Zarqawi loving nuts, like so nuts bin laden condemned him a bunch of times. also i read somewhere Zarqawi hosed kids or something heinous like that. So i can See Isis eventually growing out of somebody like him. I never heard anything about pedophilia. Sounds like PSYOPS to me.
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TheOtherContraGuy posted:I never heard anything about pedophilia. Sounds like PSYOPS to me. I know pederasty is still common in traditional tribal cultures in Afghanistan and possibly/probably the rest of the ME, maybe they're referring to that?
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TheOtherContraGuy posted:I never heard anything about pedophilia. Sounds like PSYOPS to me. His 2nd wife was 14 when they got married and had a child at 15.
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Ragingsheep posted:His 2nd wife was 14 when they got married and had a child at 15. Point taken. I'm not going to get into one of those weird arguments about of age of consent to defend a mass murderer.
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Ragingsheep posted:His 2nd wife was 14 when they got married and had a child at 15. Summon up fedora-clad ISIS twitterati to lecture you about "ephebophilia" in Arabic; summon a whirlwind.
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computer parts posted:A successor state existing does not mean that the original state did not fail. It's not a "successor state", it's the exact same organization, unless you wanna argue that it becomes a wholly different one every time it makes a minor change to its name and you think that "Blackwater USA", "Xe Services", and "Academi" have nothing to do with each other. Phillip Morris and Altria? Totally different bro, promise. Phillip Morris was the bad one. My business card totally says "Altria" so I'm not with them.
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Sergg posted:It's not a "successor state", it's the exact same organization, unless you wanna argue that it becomes a wholly different one every time it makes a minor change to its name and you think that "Blackwater USA", "Xe Services", and "Academi" have nothing to do with each other. Phillip Morris and Altria? Totally different bro, promise. Phillip Morris was the bad one. My business card totally says "Altria" so I'm not with them. Well the deal with Blackwater, Xe, and Academi was they all involved new corporations being founded that just happened to buy out all the usable parts of the old one while leaving the original company with any debts and bad assets. Also at least one of the swaps gave the founder and CEO a chance to pop out with a hefty severance, to be paid by the rump company. All around a good scam, really.
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quote:Shami Witness @ShamiWitness 9m I hate it when our lovely government gives jihadists ammo. 
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pengun101 posted:stupid question, but wasn't Zarqawi loving nuts, like so nuts bin laden condemned him a bunch of times. also i read somewhere Zarqawi hosed kids or something heinous like that. So i can See Isis eventually growing out of somebody like him. Nothing that lurid. OBL and and Zarqawi had religious, strategic, and tactical differences.
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Ragingsheep posted:His 2nd wife was 14 when they got married and had a child at 15. The Prophet's favorite wife, Aisha, was married at the ripe old age of 6. Being a Humbert Humbert is just part of being a good Muslim and trying to live like the Prophet. The only sex crime in Islam that a man may commit is getting it up the butt from another man. ISIS isn't going to disown anyone for marrying a little girl. Just go look at the marriageable age in Saudi Arabia.
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Cat Mattress posted:The Prophet's favorite wife, Aisha, was married at the ripe old age of 6. Being a Humbert Humbert is just part of being a good Muslim and trying to live like the Prophet. Straight up racism.
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TildeATH posted:Straight up racism. Today I learned all Muslims are of the same race, and all members of that race are Muslim.
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Golbez posted:Today I learned all Muslims are of the same race, and all members of that race are Muslim. Congratulations, forums user Golbez, your keen understanding of the intricacies of the English language has allowed you to protect another innocent from terminological abuse. God forbid someone's offended remark possibly, torturously be taken to imply a position literally no one has--but no, you were here to save us.
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this is stupid much like myself
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Sep 8, 2014 07:18
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bitcoin bastard posted:Fundie Muslims (also Christians) marry and have sex with what we would call girls. Is this some sort of revelation for you? There's a difference between fringe Mormon sects doing adolescent marriage and the prophet Muhammad marrying a six-year-old.
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this is stupid much like myself E2: i got loving trolled by a poster named "straw man" goatsestretchgoals fucked around with this message at 07:40 on Sep 8, 2014 |
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Sep 8, 2014 07:29
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Ooh ooh we're hashing out the degenerate roots of Abramic religions with a focus on Islam? Oh nice someone already mentioned fundie Christians, quick someone do the Jews so this entire tangent gets maximally stupid as fast as possible! for gently caress's sake please do not Go There
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Religion is bad. Convert everyone to atheism.
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straw man posted:There's a difference between fringe Mormon sects doing adolescent marriage and the prophet Muhammad marrying a six-year-old. Edit: Just realized I was replying to Straw Man who is a loving idiot. Disregard.
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Marrying a 6 years old? That's bad, unless of course you're a muslim, then you're just a romantic guy who's fond of his religious roots - almost like a modern day Wagner, ever so aspiring a perfect connection with his ancestry.
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Interview with a kid from Aleppo. His house was hit with what I would guess was a barrel bomb. It's subtitled. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xHu_sOduo8
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TildeATH posted:Straight up racism. Point is that Islamic fundamentalists are not exactly known to be liberal feminists. Someone said this: pengun101 posted:stupid question, but wasn't Zarqawi loving nuts, like so nuts bin laden condemned him a bunch of times. also i read somewhere Zarqawi hosed kids or something heinous like that. So i can See Isis eventually growing out of somebody like him. And that's ridiculous. I can't imagine ISIS going "genocide is fine, torture and gruesome executions are fine, but we're gonna draw the line at marrying little girls". And for what it's worth, minimum marriageable age for women in the Middle East: Bahrain: 15 since 2007 (none before), but this faced strong opposition Iran: 13 Iraq: 15 with judicial permission, otherwise 18, but there was this Jordan: 15 Kuwait: 15 Lebanon: depends on confession. 15 for shi'a, or as low as 9 with judicial permission. Otherwise, 17. Oman: none Qatar: none Saudi Arabia: none Syria: 13 with judicial permission, otherwise 17 UAE: 18, age restriction can be waived with judicial permission Yemen: none, see also this Doesn't look like a 14-year-old spouse is going to be deemed "too far" by ISIS.
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The age of consent in Spain is 13. It's not exactly controversial that teenagers are having sex.
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Cat Mattress posted:Point is that Islamic fundamentalists are not exactly known to be liberal feminists. Someone said this: Well, it doesn't have to be left to the imagination. They took phones from girls that they abducted from Sinjar and elsewhere, but then decided it would be funner to give them the phones back and have them explain to their families exactly what was going on. There's girls as young as 12 being used as sex slaves. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/11080165/Yazidi-girl-tells-of-horrific-ordeal-as-Isil-sex-slave.html
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Sergg posted:It's not exactly controversial that teenagers are having sex. There's a pretty big difference between two 14 year olds having sex with each other and a 14 year old having sex with a 30 year old, dude.
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Sergg posted:The age of consent in Spain is 13. It's not exactly controversial that teenagers are having sex. I was talking about marriageable age, which is different concept. Marriageable age in Spain is 16 with parental consent, 18 otherwise. (And it's also the same value for both girls and boys.) Also European countries like Spain tend not to practice arranged marriage much anymore.
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Opposition activists are holding a series of plays in Aleppo for the people who haven't fled. It sounds like it'll be pretty interesting.quote:“BreadWay” band presents its first play Dakakeen (Shops) in the liberated neighbors of Aleppo city. The theatre is built in one of the abandoned wedding halls at a front line with the regime’s troops. “Shops” will be presented for 3 days on the 8th, 9th and 10th of September in front of various audiences: civil activists, armed revolutionaries and the third performance is open for public. Shops’ actors are a group of activists from different backgrounds (doctors, fighters, citizen journalists, and relief workers). They are also from different Syrian provinces, Aleppo, Tartous, Latakia, Hama and Edlib, and the director, Salman, is a Syrian Palestinian. Salman, a fake name, says “This play is going the first – in 50 years- that could be performed freely without getting a permission from the regime’s censorship team”, and the play will give some hope for the people who are tired of war. “Shops” is about those who profit of the revolution to make personal benefits. It highlights 5 samples of this segment: a trader, a teacher, a soldier, a citizen journalist and a politician and it shows how they change their ideologies to cope with the donors’. Only demonstrators are the ones who present the revolution’s conscious. https://www.facebook.com/pages/%D8%B7%D8%B1%D9%8A%D9%82-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AE%D8%A8%D8%B2-BREAD-WAY/845705295441057?fref=photo An activist in Aleppo told me that they'd have this up on youtube, and if they do, I'll post it, but she's got plenty of other poo poo to deal with, so we'll see. I hope there's a lot of abandoned wedding halls in the old city.
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Sergg posted:The age of consent in Spain is 13. It's not exactly controversial that teenagers are having sex. Spain actually raised its age of consent to 16 last year. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/04/spain-raises-age-of-consent
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 President Rouhani visiting Ayatollah Khameini following Khameini's prostate surgery. Iran is claiming it's nothing serious, and that the surgery was very successful. The real story seems to be how open Iran has been with these rather intimate details of the Supreme Leaders life. They were sharing this on twitter and everything. All the Iranian beat writers seem pretty surprised by it. That being said, the Head of the Assembly of Experts, the group that chooses the next Supreme Leader, is currently in a coma, so if Khameini's health deteriorates quickly, expect tomfoolery. Rafsanjani was ousted from that position after his support for the Green Movement during the election protests in 2009. He was barred from running for the Presidency by Khameini in this recent election, despite Ayatollah Khomeini's daughter expressing support for Rafsanjani in the words of Khomeini himself. He was the favorite to win elections for the head of the Assembly of Experts following the current heads health issues, before a hardliner cancelled the elections to prevent him from winning. Rafsanjani is Rouhani's mentor, and a direct rival to Ayatollah Khameini, so any talk around Rafsanjani being involved in the selection of the next Supreme Leader will cause the Basij to poo poo a brick.
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TheOtherContraGuy posted:I never heard anything about pedophilia. Sounds like PSYOPS to me. Several journalists have alleged that a large amount of the Zarqawi narrative was fabricated by US psyops anyway. Nick Davies used it as a fairly compelling case study in his book (Flat Earth News) to illustrate the interplay of the media and intelligence. I couldn't find a link for it but here's another story that outlines similar points: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/09/AR2006040900890.html
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TildeATH posted:Straight up racism. Only white men are not allowed to gently caress little girls. Brown men can because it's part of their culture. Good to know.
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AllanGordon posted:Only white men are not allowed to gently caress little girls. Brown men can because it's part of their culture. Maybe everyone should just hash out the tired old rants about the prophet being a pedophile and Muslims trying to conquer the world and then leave the thread again? Take a punch at the greedy Jews while you're at it?
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Gee, I wonder why a region that's alternated between being wartorn and being hosed with by foreign powers for the past century might lag behind other regions by about a century with regards to social mores. Also as an American who's had white-bread Christian neighbors force their under-18 children to get married because of pregnancies within the last decade, y'all are seriously overestimating how taboo this poo poo is in the West and for how long it has been.
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