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What's worse is thinking the are rules to the fictional idea of time travel and caring about them.
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Sep 15, 2014 04:20
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You're right, bad movies should be ignored instead. I wish time travel as a concept wasn't so interesting to people so that moviemakers wouldn't make films about it. That's my irrationally irritating movie thing: Movies featuring time travel are made.
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Sep 15, 2014 04:22
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CJacobs posted:You're right, bad movies should be ignored instead. I am going to watch 12 Monkeys tonight just to spite you. That's pretty much all I've got. I like T2 but that whole franchise is a can of worms.
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Sep 15, 2014 04:25
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If I didn't fall under the aforementioned opinion I would find 12 Monkeys fascinating, for what it's worth. But now time travel in movies for me has become the new "four or five people have to survive a zombie apocalypse". I can't watch it without rolling my eyes even if it's tongue-in-cheek about the whole thing.
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Sep 15, 2014 04:36
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Aphrodite posted:What's worse is thinking the are rules to the fictional idea of time travel and caring about them. It doesn't matter if it's time travel or anything else, if part of a story is based on the premise that a thing works a certain way, it has to work that way consistently or it doesn't make sense.
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Sep 15, 2014 05:19
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Tiggum posted:It doesn't matter if it's time travel or anything else, if part of a story is based on the premise that a thing works a certain way, it has to work that way consistently or it doesn't make sense. Internal consistency is key, yes.
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Sep 15, 2014 05:23
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So, even though the time travel derail is my fault, it must stop. Divergent Yeah, I saw this movie because my mom and sister ordered it on cable so what. The thing that annoys be about it is how much dialoge is spent in the first hour on how not to tell anyone you are Divergent because they will betray you. Seriously, there's like 5 conversations about keeping this "aspect" secret (or at least it feels like it). The protagonist continues to tell pretty much anyone they "trust" they're divergent, nothing bad happens. Why even mention they are going to be betrayed by people who know the main gal's secret, if nobody ever betrays her when they know her secret? Screenwriting 101 what? There was actually a lot of setup for her mother betraying her, but that doesn't happen. Spoilers if you give a poo poo. Someone's quote somewhere says the best stories are inevitable in their outcome. Divergent writers (can't speak for book) know not of this.
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Sep 15, 2014 05:33
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My problem with Divergent(besides the whole thing) was that there's no public works faction. Nobody seems to be fixing the plumbing or wiring of the only city left on Earth. Hopefully it's all handled in-house because I want to see a bunch of Dauntless trying to keep their idiotic whooping parkour shtick up while they shut off water mains and attach gaskets to things.
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Sep 15, 2014 07:15
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12 Monkeys didn't mess around with changing timelines or anything at least. They come out right at the start and say "the virus happened and there's no way to undo it, all we can do is gather info so we can maybe fix things going forward."
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Sep 15, 2014 07:30
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Razorwired posted:Divergent I just read the Wiki synopsis of this and boy it sounds like a pile of shiiiiiiit.
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Sep 15, 2014 07:36
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But it's the next Hunger Games! And it's going to make all the money! Just you wait and see, kids are really into all this right now! Alright, I was wrong about Percy Jackson, but THIS time...
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Sep 15, 2014 07:50
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Butterfly Effect is bad because someone who wasn't stupid could have figured out a better way to fix everything. Like calling the cops when he goes back to when the dad is making kiddie porn.
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Sep 15, 2014 08:00
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Memento posted:I just read the Wiki synopsis of this and boy it sounds like a pile of shiiiiiiit. It was pretty awful. The thing that got me was the mind control surem they came up with didn't work on divergents, which gave the people building the society a reason to kill/banish them, but the surem wasn't invented until(as far as I could tell) just before the events in the movie. It would have made way more sense if using mind control was always the goal of the faction system, and they needed to breed a population that would be susceptible by weeding out 'divergents'. But no, it's just a coincidence that mind control only works on acceptable members of their society. It also would have made way more sense if the program they used to control dauntless only worked on dauntless. The movie makes a big deal about how all dauntless people think the same way and do the fear tests the same, and it's implied the other factions would react consistently. So why would the thing designed to give perfect control over dauntless have the exact same effect on erudites? Dumb movie, would not watch again. Aggressive pricing has a new favorite as of 13:40 on Sep 15, 2014 |
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Sep 15, 2014 13:37
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I'm still kinda pissed off that the Nolan movies showed Bats as being this giantly slow awful fighter instead of the awesome ninja he is in the comics and cartoons. The Winter Soldier showed off some impressive fight choreography with fast fights and motion, but Nolan's batman came across as just kinda lame. Even Bane, who seemed to have a reason for moving kinda slow, seemed to be just play fighting vs TWS actually looking like something that a comic book movie should have. Load up youtube and look at the weird poo poo going on in the first Bane/Batman fight, and then look at the knife fight in the street from TWS and tell me there isn't a loving light year of difference between the two.
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Sep 15, 2014 13:42
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At the end of Groundhog Day, during the party where all the inhabitants of Punxsutawney tell Rita how amazing Phil has become, Rita watches Phil play and the old lady piano teacher says to her "that's my student". But wait, didn't Phil get a piano lesson with the money he stole from the armored truck guards? Didn't the old lady only let him through the door because he offered her that money? So that means even though he's become a good person and mostly made peace with everything, he still stole a bunch of money. Then that's the version of Groundhog Day that sticks, so he get's away with it scot free in the end. Kind of craps over the message of the movie a little.
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Sep 15, 2014 13:59
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cheerfullydrab posted:At the end of Groundhog Day, during the party where all the inhabitants of Punxsutawney tell Rita how amazing Phil has become, Rita watches Phil play and the old lady piano teacher says to her "that's my student". But wait, didn't Phil get a piano lesson with the money he stole from the armored truck guards? Didn't the old lady only let him through the door because he offered her that money? So that means even though he's become a good person and mostly made peace with everything, he still stole a bunch of money. Then that's the version of Groundhog Day that sticks, so he get's away with it scot free in the end. Kind of craps over the message of the movie a little. That comment always sticks out to me because it just doesn't make sense. Even assuming that on that last day he did go to her for one last lesson, he had to already be pretty good at playing the piano by then. There's no way she would be able to take credit for it — even though she actually did teach him, she doesn't know that. By this point, wouldn't he basically be going there to use her piano to practice, rather than for her to teach him anything? But with all the other stuff he did on that final run-through, how would he even have had time for a piano lesson?
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Sep 15, 2014 14:21
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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:I'm still kinda pissed off that the Nolan movies showed Bats as being this giantly slow awful fighter instead of the awesome ninja he is in the comics and cartoons. Well the suit was probably a big part of why they couldn't do that, but also in universe Batman doesn't need to do anything fancy to beat up the people you always see him fighting. What was missing was a fight where he does have to break out the ninja assassin training. quote:The Winter Soldier showed off some impressive fight choreography with fast fights and motion, but Nolan's batman came across as just kinda lame. A funny thing I read about that is that they based some of Cap's fighting moves off the First Avenger video game, which was a Batman Arkham Asylum clone.
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Sep 15, 2014 14:39
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They're different types of heroes though. The Captain's power is basically super-gymnastics so they have to make him have more balletic choreographed fights. Batman is all about brutal efficiency and I think that's portrayed well in the Nolan films. His first fight with Bane that has no music is excellent because it really captures the "breaking" of Bruce very well.
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Sep 15, 2014 14:48
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I'll agree to the first 2 films because Nolan did that weird "let's run the camera WAY UP CLOSE so no one can see poo poo!" for the fight scenes. The ones in TKDR were just bad though. Slow, just... I feel like I can actually use the word "lumbering" to describe them. Bats is supposed to be a quick guy, and it seems like he's not fighting so much as vogueing. Granted, Cap is the pinnacle of human embodiment, etc, but Evans did a shitton of his own stunts and fights in costume. There's no reason that Batman needs to be portrayed as anything but a fast, take no prisoners kind of guy when he fights. No poses needed. Bane had that whole giant lumbering huge guy thing going on, so I can forgive his kinda slow looking movements, but man, Bats is supposed to be one of the top martial artists in the world. He does not come across like that in the last movie at all. Comparison gifs just from google image search   vs  The fight choreography in TWS was just way, way ahead of TDKR. I'm not holding out much hope for Affleck in BVS  Better example of it with the elevator fight scene - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abPblY2wHPU Stupid_Sexy_Flander has a new favorite as of 15:16 on Sep 15, 2014 |
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Sep 15, 2014 15:07
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My Lovely Horse posted:12 Monkeys didn't mess around with changing timelines or anything at least. They come out right at the start and say "the virus happened and there's no way to undo it, all we can do is gather info so we can maybe fix things going forward." Then it turned out that what happened always happened.
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Sep 15, 2014 15:18
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bobkatt013 posted:Then it turned out that what happened always happened. That's time travel for you. You can't go back to change the past, because you've already changed it.
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Sep 15, 2014 15:21
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What's more is that sending Cole back didn't turn out to be the epidemic's triggering factor after all. Things would have happened just the same without him. It's a rare time travel story that not only is upfront with "you can't change the past" but actually goes through with it as well. And, of course, when Cole does start getting the idea that he could make a change, it's his death warrant.
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Sep 15, 2014 15:32
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My Lovely Horse posted:What's more is that sending Cole back didn't turn out to be the epidemic's triggering factor after all. Things would have happened just the same without him. It's a rare time travel story that not only is upfront with "you can't change the past" but actually goes through with it as well. And, of course, when Cole does start getting the idea that he could make a change, it's his death warrant. There is also the simple fact that Cole always saw himself die. He also was the cause for the phone call that made everyone think that the group did it.
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Sep 15, 2014 15:37
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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:Bats is supposed to be a quick guy, and it seems like he's not fighting so much as vogueing.
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Sep 15, 2014 15:39
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Affleck is playing Dark Knight Returns Batman, so he's supposed to have lost a few steps.
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Sep 15, 2014 15:43
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sulphix posted:
It's not necessarily that convenient. She's specifically searching for a certain type of energy fluctuation due to her previous experience with Thor and that's what leads her to the gateway. She didn't just stumble onto it.
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Sep 15, 2014 16:47
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Stayne Falls posted:It's not necessarily that convenient. She's specifically searching for a certain type of energy fluctuation due to her previous experience with Thor and that's what leads her to the gateway. She didn't just stumble onto it. The main thrust of the point though is that the portal she did find lead right to the Aether that was super secretly hidden away.
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Sep 15, 2014 16:52
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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:Better example of it with the elevator fight scene - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abPblY2wHPU Apropos of nothing, but the way Cap kicks his shield up onto his arm like a skateboard is just the coolest loving thing. I rewatched those five seconds or so four or five times just now.
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Sep 15, 2014 16:52
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What I do like about that lift fight is that we actually see it. Too many films would just have the camera cut to a shot of the lift dinging open and Captain stepping out over the unconscious thugs. In the same vein as Thor's hammer though, his shield seems very inconsistent. Either it absorbs all impact like it's supposed to or it doesn't. He lands on it from a huge height and it lets him withstand a blow from Mjolnir, Other a random baddie kicks it and knocks him backwards.
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Sep 15, 2014 17:11
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Tiggum posted:That comment always sticks out to me because it just doesn't make sense. Even assuming that on that last day he did go to her for one last lesson, he had to already be pretty good at playing the piano by then. There's no way she would be able to take credit for it — even though she actually did teach him, she doesn't know that. By this point, wouldn't he basically be going there to use her piano to practice, rather than for her to teach him anything? But with all the other stuff he did on that final run-through, how would he even have had time for a piano lesson? Inconsequential teachers do this poo poo all the time in real life. I have a writing instructor that I hated, learned nothing from, and in the final I all but said, "I'm better than you." But I got a little bit of recognition so when we see each other at art/performance things she tries to introduce me as "her student." Memento posted:I just read the Wiki synopsis of this and boy it sounds like a pile of shiiiiiiit. You have a lot of time to kill on a flight to Tokyo. I'm glad I didn't even pay the one dollar to Redbox that steaming turd.
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Sep 15, 2014 17:16
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There's a thread in GBS right now about Jurassic Park and it's sequels and reading it motivated me to spend some time watching the movies again for the first time in years over the weekend. The Lost World is pretty much a piece of poo poo no matter how you slice it but I had forgotten about just how much of the movie's plot is created by Vince Vaughn being an idiot and an rear end in a top hat. He wrecks Jeff Goldblum's trailers and gets Toby from the West Wing killed by picking up the baby T-Rex and taking it back to their camp. After being rescued by not-Muldoon and the InGen people he proceeds to wreck their camp and their communication equipment by letting out all the dinosaurs because of Greenpeace or something? Then, while they're in a desperate survival situation and trying to make it to their only way to call for help he takes time out of his busy schedule of being an idiot rear end in a top hat to unload not-Muldoon's rifle so that when the T-Rex attacks they end up scattering through the wilderness and getting picked off by raptors and whatnot. gently caress you, Vince Vaughn.
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Sep 15, 2014 18:16
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NorgLyle posted:gently caress you, Vince Vaughn. That son-of-a-bitch Van Owen.
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Sep 15, 2014 18:31
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EmmyOk posted:What I do like about that lift fight is that we actually see it. Too many films would just have the camera cut to a shot of the lift dinging open and Captain stepping out over the unconscious thugs. I was really surprised he wasn't deafened a bit when Mjolnir hit. I thought I was cause gently caress that was loud. He's dazed/hurt by the fall though. The way it works (in my head anyway) is the shield absorbs impacts and negates them, but he's still falling on top of the shield. He's still got his own weight pressing down on his body from it hitting the shield and pavement, all that momentum has to go somewhere, so he basically kinda gets squished by his own weight. I always figured when he gets knocked back because of a hit to the shield from someone kicking it or punching it, it's because they are pushing. It's not so much the impact as it is them pushing against him holding the shield. That being said, they do play it fast and loose with what it can hit and bounce off of, versus what it can sink into. It ~SHOULD~ bounce off everything, but it's been jammed into car doors and filing cabinets and all kinds of poo poo in the movies.
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Sep 15, 2014 18:34
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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:It ~SHOULD~ bounce off everything, but it's been jammed into car doors and filing cabinets and all kinds of poo poo in the movies. No, it shouldn't bounce off anything, the vibrainium should absord the kenetic engergy of the throw and the shield should drop to the ground immediately after impact, without damaging whatever it hit. And nothing hitting the shield should make any noise or ricochet, because that energy would also be absorbed. e: Cap's shield is one of the dumbest things in the marvel universe. e2: it's actually questionable whether the shield could be thrown at all, no matter how hard someone tried, it should just absorb the energy and drop the second they let go Aggressive pricing has a new favorite as of 18:54 on Sep 15, 2014 |
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Sep 15, 2014 18:43
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It's all about what spin you put on it.
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Sep 15, 2014 19:16
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I find Captain America as a character incredibly boring, but TWS turned out to be one of my favorite Marvel movies. The fight scenes were fantastic, the plot moved along briskly, and Cap and Black Widow even got some personality injections. In contrast TDKR seemed slow and bombastic.
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Sep 15, 2014 19:22
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CJacobs posted:This is the same dumb bullshit I had problems with that kept me from really enjoying Looper, but at least in The Butterfly Effect the producers didn't outright say "we don't care if it doesn't make sense and you shouldn't either". I don't know which is worse, putting it out there that the problem exists and pretending it's not an integral issue with the movie like Looper did, or just ignoring it and being okay with the film being inconsistent in a lot of ways like The Butterfly Effect did. Looper is actually internally consistent, there was a big debate about it in the looper thread but it makes sense. The writers just didn't want to talk about it and the movie only works if the characters don't understand how the time travel mechanic works.
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Sep 15, 2014 19:36
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Then you get Primer where the characters understand what's going on and then the audience is left wondering what the gently caress they just watched (still my favourite time travel movie though)
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Sep 15, 2014 19:55
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Phy posted:That son-of-a-bitch Van Owen. But did he blow off Roland's head?
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Sep 15, 2014 19:56
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I feel like The Captain works well as part of The Avengers, but his own films feel like toothless spy films. Still enjoyable though. I think the first Bane fight in TDKR is excellent regardless of the thread. Every punch is measured out in pure hatred rather than being fast and furious. Speaking of poo poo Nolan fights though, the fight with The Joker at the end of TDK is so dumb. For some reason Batman leaves the sonar lenses on even when he doesn't need them which is what lets The Joker blindside him. Even so Batman should have gone through him like a runaway train. If it'd been any one else he would have beat them into puddle of ultraviolence.
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