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Doctor Spaceman posted:I think you still have to be a Sydney City ratepayer if you're not a resident. I'm wondering where this hatred of Clover comes from. Her progressive policies, bike lanes and such? Is that really it?
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Kial posted:I'm wondering where this hatred of Clover comes from. Her progressive policies, bike lanes and such? Is that really it? 2GB, Liberals, right wing shock jocks, Daily Terrorgraph Nice watching Leigh Sales getting stuck into Hockey on 730
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Kial posted:I'm wondering where this hatred of Clover comes from. Her progressive policies, bike lanes and such? Is that really it? I believe Messrs Jones and Hadley would have you believe that bike lanes are almost the greatest evil known to man, second only to the dreaded Greenies and the incompetent Labor buffoons who've been wrecking the joint!
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You Am I posted:Nice watching Leigh Sales getting stuck into Hockey on 730 that last question was 100% to make him look an utter wanker. as if he needed help.
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Kial posted:I'm wondering where this hatred of Clover comes from. Her progressive policies, bike lanes and such? Is that really it? E: I don't think it's personal in the same way that it was with Gillard, for instance.
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Kial posted:I'm wondering where this hatred of Clover comes from. Her progressive policies, bike lanes and such? Is that really it? Nipping a popular Greenie in the bud before it catches on or something.
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Sep 17, 2014 11:00
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Doctor Spaceman posted:I think so, although I'd hazard a guess it's as much stuff she isn't doing as stuff she is. The attacks on Clover Moore are loving hugely personal actually. I mean we are talking about someone who the state government has tried on multiple occasions to pass legislation to specifically get her out of office.
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Sep 17, 2014 11:35
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Gough Suppressant posted:The attacks on Clover Moore are loving hugely personal actually. I mean we are talking about someone who the state government has tried on multiple occasions to pass legislation to specifically get her out of office. They could be specifically directed at her as a non-compliant politician getting in the way of some cronyism, but not actually directed at her as a person if that makes sense.
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gay picnic defence posted:They could be specifically directed at her as a non-compliant politician getting in the way of some cronyism, but not actually directed at 'her' as a person if that makes sense. E: It's very possible I've missed it, but I haven't seen the sustained attacks of the "ditch the witch" / "father died of shame" / "deliberately barren" variety that Gillard got hit with. Doctor Spaceman fucked around with this message at 11:44 on Sep 17, 2014 |
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Sep 17, 2014 11:39
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Mills posted:Telstra shares are never going down. Unless they put Ziggy back in charge.
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Sep 17, 2014 12:08
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A lot of its personal, a lot of it is her politics being a lot more progressive than Sydney itself so she winds up outer suburb types who have to travel in. But both major parties try and control the Lord mayor position. It was labor fuckery that got clover elected in the first place.
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Gough Suppressant posted:The attacks on Clover Moore are loving hugely personal actually. I mean we are talking about someone who the state government has tried on multiple occasions to pass legislation to specifically get her out of office. To be fair as the Antony Green article explained, NSW State Governments of both stripes have a long and proud history of loving with local government legislation to get their man into the Mayoral chains.
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Sep 17, 2014 12:25
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Waaaah the Christians are out to get me
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I work in outsourcing, in the Philippines for a major, formerly nationalised Australian telco. I can't imagine this not being a precursor to off-shoring. Though as far as I know Centrelink and a lot of those places already outsource a lot of stuff (onshore) much like the tax office does.
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Sep 17, 2014 13:01
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Adnar posted:I work in outsourcing, in the Philippines for a major, formerly nationalised Australian telco. A lot of governmental agencies have clauses where the outsourcing work has to remain in Australia, so chances are that we'll be seeing more Telstra operated call centres, at least until they manage to have the policy changed.
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Sep 17, 2014 13:23
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Nope, Tony Abbott Still Hasn’t Worked Out How To Talk To Women https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTqEL4Qssno
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Sep 17, 2014 13:40
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Sep 17, 2014 13:44
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Tornhelm posted:A lot of governmental agencies have clauses where the outsourcing work has to remain in Australia, so chances are that we'll be seeing more Telstra operated call centres, at least until they manage to have the policy changed. I think changing that policy would be political suicide for any government. I mean surely, no party would be able to live down offshoring Centerlink call centers. I don't think there's a cartoonist, political commentator, journalist, anything thatcould resist parading that around.
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Considering how much other bullshit they've done so far, do you really think that's out of the realm of possibility for this government?
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Sep 17, 2014 14:15
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Cleretic posted:I think changing that policy would be political suicide for any government. I mean surely, no party would be able to live down offshoring Centerlink call centers. I don't think there's a cartoonist, political commentator, journalist, anything that could resist parading that around. Damm it, it's going to have to happen now isn't it? Murdoch will approve of it, and that's that. 2/3's of the country's Cartoonist, political commentator, journalist will support it.
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Sep 17, 2014 14:21
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Tornhelm posted:A lot of governmental agencies have clauses where the outsourcing work has to remain in Australia, so chances are that we'll be seeing more Telstra operated call centres, at least until they manage to have the policy changed. There's actually a call centre that is owned by Telstra in the Phillipines now, opened up about a year back I think? The year previous I pretty much predicted that it'd happen as soon as David Thodey, Telstra CEO, announced that Telstra was no longer an "Australian company, but an Asian one.". I'd expect to see Telstra move more of it's actual operations offshore, but not outsourcing it. It makes sense in the long term, since you're ruining basically the same operation but cutting the middle man fee out. Teletech only ever really got the contract because Sol's wife owns a major part of it.
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Telstra operate with 3 outsourcers of roughly equal size here (Convergys, Teleperformance and Teletech) The "captive" centre they have is pretty small (about 30 people Vs 6k heads or so overall outsourced) which is really a trial for doing more complex and high customer value complaint stuff off shore which normally would remain. As far as I understand the big challenge in starting up their own centres Vs outsourcing is capital expenditure, it's quite hard to justify a 100million$ start up cost to shareholders to buy and build the sites required that they'd need. Also outsourcing for this kind of seasonal volume work makes much more sense than captive, they can ramp employee requirements down in 60 days.. You can't do that when you are the employer without wearing significant costs
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Adnar posted:Telstra operate with 3 outsourcers of roughly equal size here (Convergys, Teleperformance and Teletech) Yeah but in terms of say, what Teletech have been doing for the last five years and would be doing going forward, wouldn't it be better to just start it up yourself? There is of course the initial capital put into such a project, but it'd pay off versus the middle man fees being paid to Teletech and co. Also, if it's offshore consultants dealing with Centrelink poo poo, it'll go down badly. They're pretty much trained to follow the script and any situation outside of that they just aren't able to handle (this isn't the people themselves, it's just how they're trained).
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From what I was told by a very senior manager (think Mr Ts inner sanctum) it's actually quite hard for them to establish from a shareholders point of view if not impossible to spend that sort of capital. But other than that it's just not worth the headache, companies outsource not just for the cost benefits but managing 6000 heads is a pain most can deal without and companies whose profession is managing call centres do it better (which is quite funny considering Telstra are claiming they'll show Centrelink the way) and much much cheaper. FWIW those 3 outsourcers are in the midst of building megasites for all TS work for next 5 years so arrangement won't be changing any time soon.
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Halo14 posted:Telstra takes over Medicare, Centrelink call centres Urgh. It was only a couple of years ago DHS was in the process of spending hundreds of millions on upgrading their entire phone system (especially the call centres) and have an extensive amount of in-house technical expertise in the area. They also have/had a number of contracts with other Australian government departments to provide call centre services (for example with DFAT, in case of an international emergency, it was Centrelink's call centres that would be activated to provide 24h support with some pretty crazy SLAs).
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CrazyTolradi posted:There's actually a call centre that is owned by Telstra in the Phillipines now, opened up about a year back I think? The year previous I pretty much predicted that it'd happen as soon as David Thodey, Telstra CEO, announced that Telstra was no longer an "Australian company, but an Asian one.". I'd expect to see Telstra move more of it's actual operations offshore, but not outsourcing it. It makes sense in the long term, since you're ruining basically the same operation but cutting the middle man fee out. Teletech only ever really got the contract because Sol's wife owns a major part of it. Yes, but I bet you that the overseas centres don't handle governmental stuff. There's clauses in pretty much every governmental agency all the way from your local council, to state and federal level against off-shoring their work - it has to be done by Australians, in Australia. It's actually part of the tender process - even the multi-national call centres need to be able to field an Australian based team that deal with their work.
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Some local council shenannigans that some of you might find interesting. Executive summary: - There are 10 councillors in local government, 5 are liberal (nominally they're all independents but 5 are members of the libs) - There's a mayoral election every year where the councillors vote. - The sitting mayor, a Liberal, lost the liberal councillors' endorsement for being mayor 3-2 in favour of a 22-year-old law student, the day before the mayoral election - The mayor called another caucus meeting for the next day (the day of the election), starting at 5:50pm - The mayor and her supporter arrived at the meeting at 5:50pm sharp. - In the first 4 minutes of the meeting, the vote is held to re-endorse the current mayor. Motion passed 2-0. - The other three Liberal councillors show up at 5:54 and find that the meeting is over. They're pissed but totally powerless. - The liberals have to vote along party lines, because them's the rules. So the mayor is reinstated 6-4. - The mayor did the exact same thing last year. quote:Anger over Jennifer Anderson’s re-election as Mayor of Ku-ring-gai Council
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Tasmantor posted:Shut up Mills, getting a job is hosed everyone wants 5 years experience but if you're old enough to have 5 years you're too old/experienced/qualified to be hired. Not to mention where the gently caress do you get 5 years 'xp when you can't get a job that's not a 6 month casual post? The whole job advertising and application charade is bullshit you get jobs through friends and family or dogged persistence. Anidav is suffering the same poo poo a lot of people under 30 suffer in this country all their friends are casual workers with no weight at work to get them the jobs. Jobs that go to managements friends and family or get automated. When enough professionals can't get work I hope that your job gets cut because some gently caress in an office worth more than my home figures out it can be done by work for the dole suckers. There needs to be an emoticon to indicate both full agreement and complete and utter crushing despair.
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 Even my JSA is pushing this 'experience required for even bullshit jobs' thing. Not to mention this is the first job vacancy they've sent me in 7 months. 
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Anidav posted:I believe it is illegal but good luck trying to prove it happened on a phone call with a private number. Mate, they can't all be using private numbers. Get a call recording app. Getting someone out of a DV situation, nailing an employer, just remembering what exactly was said during a conversation sometimes. I don't know the legality of it but gently caress if it doesn't make some companies nervous when after they tell you they're recording you that you are in fact also recording them.
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CrazyTolradi posted:Not all, pretty much 80% of consumer though, with a few outsourced centres on the Gold Coast and a few other places in Australia. A major amount of the small business, as well as all large business, enterprise and goverment call centres are on shore too. Isn't there a chance that with moving social welfare call centers to poorer countries with weaker currencies, an ambitious person could bribe literally entire companies worth of people to cut dole payments, and foment a national emergency when Newstart recipients get their looting on?
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Dunno how DHS works but with any outsourcing the ato does, outsourced employees still have to hold Australian citizenship. I'm sceptical of foreign gov call centres, but can easily believe they'll build more Australian ones stacked with cheap casual labour and whip carrying slave drivers.
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quote:ASIO and counter terrorism police have swooped on homes across north-western Sydney and other states this morning in what is believed to be the largest anti-terrorism bust in the nation’s history. How come terrorists never operate out of the Eastern suburbs?
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In my LGA, Councillors are explicitly forbidden from binding themselves to caucus decisions against their wishes. I'm surprised it isn't the same for Kuringgai. e: why couldn't they just hold another caucus meeting with blackjack and hookers
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Mills posted:How come terrorists never operate out of the Eastern suburbs? You didn't read the article very closely. But I suspect your'e not very good at reading. I'll break today's propaganda down into bullet points for you. No evidence has been presented that any of these men or possibly women are terrorists. The AFP specifically said there was never any danger to Australia, no plot against Australia, no plans involving the targeting of Australians. If this is about people planning to go to fight in South West Asia, well hey, they could have been going there to fight for secularism and liberal democratic rights for all you know, and that would still technically be a punishable offence under Australian law. They might be lolbertarians like yourself and wanted to fight to free the markets. You're jumping at shadows, like the coward you were bred and raised to do.
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So are Tone can't even scaremonger for votes without loving it up, how can someone possibly be this bad at it and still reach the office?
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Morning Auspol, hope you're not eating !  Is someone at Murdoch more subversive than we think or are they literally too dumb to recognise that the Mission Accomplished thing is an image of failure and ridicule(it's the second)
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Zenithe posted:How do they not have a quorum requirement for things like that. Quantum Mechanic posted:In my LGA, Councillors are explicitly forbidden from binding themselves to caucus decisions against their wishes. I'm surprised it isn't the same for Kuringgai. - They aren't officially Liberal councillors, they're independents who all happen to be members of the Liberal party. The Liberal party doesn't endorse people officially for the council election (dunno why). So the rules are probably pretty sparse. Evidently, sparser than any sporting association or university club I have ever heard of, and potentially curated in a fashion to maximise the ability to screw people over. - Two rules I am sure the mayor relied on were a minimum notice period before caucus meetings (and since the vote was that day, there wasn't enough time to reschedule) and of course the binding requirement. - The fact that the mayor pulled this stunt last year and nobody thought to add a quorum requirement speaks volumes of these people.
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