Gough Suppressant posted:The tories won a third term with an increased vote, rip NZ People voting for Tories and getting hosed over is like when Kang and Kodos body snatch Bill Clinton and Bob Dole and the people vote for Clinton/Kang anyway except it happens over and over again
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Tokamak posted:Yeah, these aren't going to pass the senate. You are putting your hopes on Labor having a spine? 
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Sep 21, 2014 09:12
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Also I am legitimately surprised that ASIO officers weren't already empowered to kill in self defence.
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Sep 21, 2014 09:14
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Deuterious posted:Because we vote for them. Well, 22,000 people voted for her, and of those I'd guess about 2,000 had any idea who she is.
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Sep 21, 2014 09:22
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Gough Suppressant posted:Also I am legitimately surprised that ASIO officers weren't already empowered to kill in self defence. I didn't think they did fieldwork, but I don't know the exact specifics of the various security agency jurisdictions.
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Sep 21, 2014 09:30
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Gough Suppressant posted:You are putting your hopes on Labor having a spine? quote:Labor's legal affairs spokesman Mark Dreyfus said ASIO and the police already did "very fine work" without new laws. This assumes they don't back-flip, which I doubt will happen unless a domestic terror attack happens. They didn't back-flip on the carbon tax stuff, so there's that; I've set a very low bar here. Doctor Spaceman posted:I didn't think they did fieldwork, but I don't know the exact specifics of the various security agency jurisdictions. Cyberspace is fieldwork, by extension they ought to be able to kill anyone who has used an electronics device. What you don't want to protect our boys in blue?
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Sep 21, 2014 11:00
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I'm watching the Howard interview with a racist in-law and he loving loves Howard and also managed to segue in a comment about how good Pauline Hanson is and I can't flip out I am internally exploding
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Sep 21, 2014 11:33
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Does anyone have that .gif of Bugs Bunny cutting NSW off into the pacific?
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Sep 21, 2014 11:41
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spamman posted:Does anyone have that .gif of Bugs Bunny cutting NSW off into the pacific? Just cut the whole country off, replace with Antarctica. It has now earned its place in the sun.
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Sep 21, 2014 12:10
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Haters Objector posted:I'm watching the Howard interview with a racist in-law and he loving loves Howard and also managed to segue in a comment about how good Pauline Hanson is and I can't flip out I am internally exploding It's an in-law. Just give it to them.
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Sep 21, 2014 12:23
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My uncle literally said he cannot drive a car because he is too tall and gets his wife to drive him everywhere he is shorter than me I drive a car He is legally allowed (and forced) to vote  My uncle also gets telepathic communications from aliens and smokes so much pot he makes Cyprus Hill look like teetotallers Haters Objector posted:I'm watching the Howard interview with a racist in-law and he loving loves Howard and also managed to segue in a comment about how good Pauline Hanson is and I can't flip out I am internally exploding Baby boomers loving love Howard because he gave them all exponential growth on their investment properties via Costello Now any house 20 - 30 minutes from the CBD is going to set you back 1.5 million which is totally reasonable because i got banned fucked around with this message at 13:37 on Sep 21, 2014 |
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Sep 21, 2014 13:31
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Halo14 posted:Uh wtf...
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Sep 21, 2014 13:48
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Gough Suppressant posted:Also I am legitimately surprised that ASIO officers weren't already empowered to kill in self defence. According to a this random Law resources site every Australian can kill in self defense in some circumstances: 'The general rule regarding self-defence is that a person is allowed to take any defensive or evasive steps that they believe to be necessary. Unlike other areas of law, self-defence isn’t reliant on a specific formulaic approach, but rather, is dependent on the facts of the matter, with the question left for the courts and a jury to decide.' So I'm not quite sure what additional protections the new law would be adding over what they should have by just, you know being a person in this country Unless this is a secrete admission ASIO is hiring lizard people/robots or something. 
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Sep 21, 2014 16:01
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As I'm reading it it means it wouldn't fall to the courts, rather they could simply say "self-defence" and not have to justify it further.
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Sep 21, 2014 16:06
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Seagull posted:As I'm reading it it means it wouldn't fall to the courts, rather they could simply say "self-defence" and not have to justify it further. Ah yeah, that makes sense, and is incredibly garbage. Why do governments continually think its a good idea to give intelligences agencies less oversight. Its not like there's any lack of examples of these type of agencies abusing their powers when just left to do their thing.
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Sep 21, 2014 16:17
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Not sure about all jurisdictions, but certainly in Vic it's a defence if you believe you are protecting yourself, or someone else, from death or really serious injury. Can't really imagine why it would need to be extended when it already applies to what's stated in the article. Maybe cover them doing raids so they can shoot first and claim self defence cause someone stood up to quickly.
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Sep 21, 2014 16:20
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Seagull posted:As I'm reading it it means it wouldn't fall to the courts, rather they could simply say "self-defence" and not have to justify it further. "He was coming right at me, your worship! And all I had to defend myself was a bucket of water, some old rubber hose, a bed frame, handcuffs and five weeks in a US black site dedicated to torturing Afghani farmers."
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Sep 21, 2014 19:19
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dr_rat posted:Ah yeah, that makes sense, and is incredibly garbage. Why do governments continually think its a good idea to give intelligences agencies less oversight. Its not like there's any lack of examples of these type of agencies abusing their powers when just left to do their thing. ASIO did the Liberals a favour with the raids, this is the reward.
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Sep 21, 2014 20:23
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If only Husic was a brown-skinned Arab instead of a white-skinned Bosniak they could launch a royal commission into ALP Islamic Statism off the back of some non-partisan ASIO intelligence and be in power for another 18 years. While spending massive amounts of money on defence and intelligence. Which doesn't have anything to do with ASIO. Fascists are anything but corrupt.
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Sep 21, 2014 20:39
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quote:Howard 'embarrassed' by WMD intelligence that led to
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Sep 21, 2014 22:07
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i got banned posted:
My father got sick and sold his house (for 25k) almost 2 decades ago and a few months back it was on the market for nearly 320K. Can someone point me in the right direction for this? Was it just negative gearing?
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Sep 21, 2014 22:57
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SecretOfSteel posted:My father got sick and sold his house (for 25k) almost 2 decades ago and a few months back it was on the market for nearly 320K. Can someone point me in the right direction for this? Was it just negative gearing? Negative gearing, first home owners grants, lovely urban planning (re: density in inner burbs, lack of infrastructure in outer burbs, limited land releases) lack of investment (private or public) outside of the major capital urban areas, self managed super funds, the great Australian dream.
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Sep 21, 2014 23:15
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Foreign investment, me tooism / keeping up with the Joneses (re:investment properties), The Block, uh.... Probably forgot a stsck. That should start you off.
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Sep 21, 2014 23:19
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Also state governments massively marking up land to then onsell to decelopers who then mark it up further helps as well.
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Sep 21, 2014 23:34
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MiniSune posted:Also state governments massively marking up land to then onsell to decelopers who then mark it up further helps as well. Ohh yes, vic govt did this.
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Sep 21, 2014 23:36
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 Labor are the true friend of students, vote 1 Labor
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Waaaah the Christians are out to get me
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Does that include going overseas if you're doing exchange study? Just ugh, Labor. To think two years ago I was a very strong supporter and now I avoid their promoters as much as LNP.
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Sep 22, 2014 01:12
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Matthew Beet posted:Negative gearing, first home owners grants, lovely urban planning (re: density in inner burbs, lack of infrastructure in outer burbs, limited land releases) lack of investment (private or public) outside of the major capital urban areas, self managed super funds, the great Australian dream. Add in other taxation incentives like capital gains tax concessions and I think we've got everything covered. The productivity commission did a big thingo on it a while ago, althought I can't find it after 30 seconds' googling. Apparently our reps and senators in federal parliament have combined personal property portfolios of several hundred millon, so the odds of them doing anything about it are pretty small.
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These are the end days posted:22 Sep 2014 The Australian DAVID CROWE DAVID UREN So due to the rest of the world getting poo poo on during the GFC we need to implement draconian IR reform because something, something, something, err, * bobble head * OH gently caress! TERROR! LOOK OVER HERE! http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/iraq-wmds-and-counter-terrorism-andrew-wilkie/5759502 quote:Iraq, WMDs and counter-terrorism: Andrew Wilkie Monday 22 September 2014 8:32AM Wilkie outright calls Howard a liar and outlines the very different assessments that he was putting under Howard's eyes. The very same ignored assessments that caused him to resign from the APS. This is timely as it clears up to some extent the question that little Johnny's statement begs about the competence of the intelligence services. So not incredibly incompetent just untruthful (well some of them) and complicit (most of them). Prepare to have Labour backflip into supporting all of the new measures. Having the ability to perform exjudicial killings has been number one on the list that Irvine has been sending to Santa every Christmas. He just never thought he'd get it up.
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Sep 22, 2014 01:46
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It's always a bit shocking when a bunch of capitalists get together and agree that we should grow the economy. Seems so counter intuitive.
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Sep 22, 2014 01:54
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Cartoon posted:
Need to have the apparatus in place so that we can define any kind of serious worker solidarity as terrorism and just kill those uppity proles.
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Sep 22, 2014 02:05
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I expect that the World Bank and IMF will be changing their views soon enough and will come to realize just how important the prosperity of the average worker is to the economy as a whole.
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Sep 22, 2014 02:11
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Why is Howard being wheeled out this week?
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Sep 22, 2014 02:12
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Adnar posted:Why is Howard being wheeled out this week? Any number of reasons, such as: - Personal favour to Abbott & his crew; - Been Paid; - Responding to some review of his tenure that he needs to clarify, defend or refute; 
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Sep 22, 2014 02:15
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He hasn't talked that much since leaving office, and there was a big interview with him on the weekend.
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Sep 22, 2014 02:16
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open24hours posted:It's always a bit shocking when a bunch of capitalists get together and agree that we should grow the economy. Seems so counter intuitive. Growing the economy by depressing discretionary spending power of the vast majority of people?
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Sep 22, 2014 02:19
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:I expect that the World Bank and IMF will be changing their views soon enough and will come to realize just how important the prosperity of the average worker is to the economy as a whole. Weren't most of the governments hit badly during the GFC conservative ones with very lax IR in place in the first place?
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Sep 22, 2014 02:21
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Gough Suppressant posted:Growing the economy by depressing discretionary spending power of the vast majority of people? How they plan to do it is another issue. Whenever these meetings happen there's always something on the news about how, after long and fraught negotiations, they all managed to agree that more money is a good thing.
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Sep 22, 2014 02:21
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Having the IMF there is important because both the IMF and the World Bank have come out recently to indicate that the countries with the most stable and consistent growth over the last few decades are the ones with a greater level of equality and income distribution. If the IMF are in there saying "hey if you guys want growth, we have some ideas on how to do it", I can expect a lot of that will include policies to wind down inequality in the countries - ie Keynesian stuff.
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CrazyTolradi posted:Does that include going overseas if you're doing exchange study? How do they think they won the 2007 election by a landslide? Were all the concessions to students, the working class, and appeaing and popular infrastructure projects commpletely lost on them?
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