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Jimbo Jaggins posted:which developers? I'm more curious on what they would do, because the most I come up with is an endless shrug.
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Digiwizzard posted:SMg why is capitalism fun i gotta know!!!! I explained it already: the fun of gaming comes from the endless desiring. It's fun to desire games and to receive temporary satisfaction of that desire through the act of purchasing. Companies exploit this fact by providing endless novelty - things to desire and opportunities to purchase them. DLC and microtransactions allow you to even desire and purchase the same game multiple times! Gamers will protest that DLC prevents the fun from happening, but that's a misconception. The gameplay unlocked is not fun; the fun comes from the act of unlocking. The psychology of fun is illustrated most concisely in the film THX 1138, when Robert Duvall buys a chunk of red plastic, carries it home, and immediately throws it away. The plastic chunk exists only to be purchased and then disposed of. Duvall repeats this action every day, because it provides a modicum of satisfaction. Games are technically better than they've ever been, but gamers are having less fun than ever before. This is because they are more accessible than ever before. Imagine if Duvall could simply press a button to have infinite red blocks pumped directory into his home.
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Triple A posted:some autistic anime marxist finds 4chan offensive, probably based on hearsay from SRS/tumblr Why yes you have to be a anime Marxist and follow hearsay from srs to dislike 4chan. It's not like they regularly post child porn on the site or anything. It's not like it's users have done tons v of illegal ddoses or raids. Or hacked private nudes. Or harassed innocent women.
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Jimbo Jaggins posted:which developers? off the top of my head, tim schafer. i think the cool gamers hate him now though 
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Dazzling Klaxon posted:off the top of my head, tim schafer. i think the cool gamers hate him now though Broken Age was a wonderful exploration of setting decades worth of goodwill on fire.
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Bholder posted:I'm more curious on what they would do, because the most I come up with is an endless shrug. as a concrete example of "what they would do," someone asked brad muir what would happen with gay people in massive chalice. being a straight guy working with a team most likely consisting of other straight guys, he hadn't considered it. so now you can be gay in massive chalice. this probably doesn't seem like a big deal but if nearly every game you played and could find was 100% gay people (assuming you or anyone reading this is a straight person) it would get old after awhile (awhile meaning all my time on this gay earth). i just want to get gay married in harvest moon ok
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Sep 24, 2014 19:54
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SirDan3k posted:Broken Age was a wonderful exploration of setting decades worth of goodwill on fire. Wasn't that the game where you controlled a spaceship and ate people? Or was it the one where cats were spirit guides, hard to keep track of indie games these days.
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Sep 24, 2014 19:56
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Dazzling Klaxon posted:off the top of my head, tim schafer. i think the cool gamers hate him now though lol ok
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Sep 24, 2014 19:56
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Dazzling Klaxon posted:as a concrete example of "what they would do," someone asked brad muir what would happen with gay people in massive chalice. being a straight guy working with a team most likely consisting of other straight guys, he hadn't considered it. so now you can be gay in massive chalice. this probably doesn't seem like a big deal but if nearly every game you played and could find was 100% gay people (assuming you or anyone reading this is a straight person) it would get old after awhile (awhile meaning all my time on this gay earth). Well of course, there's the really simple stuff, but people tend to complain that not being enough.
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Sephiroth_IRA posted:I read in an Elizabeth Warren book that women didn't enter the workforce because they wanted to be a part of the feminist movement. They entered the workforce largely because they had to. Although I think she failed to mention that the "they had to" part was somewhat due to white flight/racism. After desegregation people wanted to live in more expensive "good" neighborhoods with "good" schools (good sometimes knowingly being a codeword for mostly white. sometimes unknowingly) so women had to leave home and go to work to afford it. Interesting point, but I think women entering the work force can more be attributed to trying to maintain a middle class lifestyle, and the economic decline of the middle class in America.
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Apparently Tim Schafer made some really cool games in the past and now he just comes up with interesting ideas but makes mediocre games. Is that the gist of it?pyrometer posted:Interesting point, but I think women entering the work force can more be attributed to trying to maintain a middle class lifestyle, and the economic decline of the middle class in America. A middle class lifestyle without the blacks became more expensive than it used to be after civil rights/desegregation. My guess is that if people had decided to welcome black people into their neighborhoods and schools instead of leaving the neighborhood (by golly honey you're going to have to get a job so we can get away from these negros) we'd have a lot less problems. Sephiroth_IRA fucked around with this message at 20:06 on Sep 24, 2014 |
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Dazzling Klaxon posted:no one believes gender equality will make planet earth a perfect place to exist where everyone is happy forever. you seem to be framing every political struggle in history as people trying to find less things to complain about which is very bizarre. I'm not saying that. I'm saying that every movement is trying to change things to satisfy their views, which is true. I never said "equality will not make things perfect and they're dumb for believing that", i'm saying they're in the pursuit to make things suit them and they've not gotten to a point where they are satisfied yet. Don't see how that's strange, especially as a political movement is defined as a group trying to deal with something they perceive as an issue.
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 Steam is having a big sale!
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Sephiroth_IRA posted:Apparently Tim Schafer made some really cool games in the past and now he just comes up with interesting ideas but makes mediocre games. Is that the gist of it? no boss to keep his rear end on budget and time also, most lovely devs prefer style over substance
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Jimbo Jaggins posted:lol ok anthony burch did as well, although borderlands 2's writing was really bad (he's admitted as much and i kinda like him as a person). this was recent. i mean rattling off names is a little pointless as the game devs we both respect are likely to be mutually exclusive. e: some bungie guy??? people like bungie right. they spent five hundred million dollars to please you e2: naughty dog man Dazzling Klaxon fucked around with this message at 20:05 on Sep 24, 2014 |
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Sep 24, 2014 20:03
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Sephiroth_IRA posted:Apparently Tim Schafer made some really cool games in the past and now he just comes up with interesting ideas but makes mediocre games. Is that the gist of it? He's completely incompetent when it comes to managing a project. Dazzling Klaxon posted:anthony burch did as well, although borderlands 2's writing was really bad (he's admitted as much and i kinda like him as a person). this was recent. i mean rattling off names is a little pointless as the game devs we both respect are likely to be mutually exclusive. Basically no-one of note, then?
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Jimbo Jaggins posted:Basically no-one of note, then? who would count as "of note"
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Dazzling Klaxon posted:as a concrete example of "what they would do," someone asked brad muir what would happen with gay people in massive chalice. being a straight guy working with a team most likely consisting of other straight guys, he hadn't considered it. so now you can be gay in massive chalice. this probably doesn't seem like a big deal but if nearly every game you played and could find was 100% gay people (assuming you or anyone reading this is a straight person) it would get old after awhile (awhile meaning all my time on this gay earth). The addition of options for specific minority groups indicates preference towards said group over others. I can understand a developer making a game based on their own experience but when they start adding options for homosexuals and women without even considering their dogkin players it starts to seem like they went out of their way to exclude me.
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Dazzling Klaxon posted:anthony burch did as well, although borderlands 2's writing was really bad (he's admitted as much and i kinda like him as a person). this was recent. i mean rattling off names is a little pointless as the game devs we both respect are likely to be mutually exclusive. most of these devs do it for the cred amongst the tumblr demographic, burch though is just a sad tryhard sans talent or personality
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DrPlump posted:The addition of options for specific minority groups indicates preference towards said group over others. I can understand a developer making a game based on their own experience but when they start adding options for homosexuals and women without even considering their dogkin players it starts to seem like they went out of their way to exclude me. i think a dogkin would just be a furry
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Dazzling Klaxon posted:who would count as "of note" Neil Druckmann counts.
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Dazzling Klaxon posted:anthony burch did as well, although borderlands 2's writing was really bad (he's admitted as much and i kinda like him as a person). this was recent. i mean rattling off names is a little pointless as the game devs we both respect are likely to be mutually exclusive. That is just marketing and pandering to sell more games. They didn't actually make any changes to the game. They are mentioning your little group so you associate positive feelings towards their brand. Just like when Dove soap started #LikeAGirl
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Dazzling Klaxon posted:i think a dogkin would just be a furry Wow, I'm not here to educate you but jeese, read a blog why don't you
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Dazzling Klaxon posted:who would count as "of note" What does Gabe Newell think about the videos?
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Triple A posted:most of these devs do it for the cred amongst the tumblr demographic, i see this attitude a lot, like everyone who agrees with some goon/nerd thing is sincere and the real deal but if you say something as controversial as "women are also respectable humans" it's 'for the cred', white knighting, etc. it may shock you to believe that most people's opinions are real and not for the privilege of being boycott by gamergaters, surely causing their hundreds of millions of dollars project to fail kind of like a realpolitik thing. all men love rear end and titty.. if they say no no, dont objectifyt women, it just for more rear end and titty. tricked feminazis
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DrPlump posted:That is just marketing and pandering to sell more games. They didn't actually make any changes to the game. They are mentioning your little group so you associate positive feelings towards their brand. i thought betraying gamers would cause fewer sales, not more
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Gabe is an alpha and doesn't have to stoop to beta levels to get laid:
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Why doesn't games have a subforum called the game dump, like cin has the film dump? I'd like to see how games get rated by us.
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ColdReaches posted:Why doesn't games have a subforum called the game dump, like cin has the film dump? If you look at the votes on a Games thread that's probably a good indication. Like for example, the Dota thread is rated 3.07 because Dota has a huge fanbase but also everyone in their right mind hates it.
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Sephiroth_IRA posted:Apparently Tim Schafer made some really cool games in the past and now he just comes up with interesting ideas but makes mediocre games. Is that the gist of it? I think if it were just mediocre games people wouldn't poo poo on him as much. It is more his games are endless money pits and turn out to be average to ok. Not to mention any good will he had was basically destroyed by canceling Space Base 9. It was a game that paid off its investors and then abandoned in an unfinished state. You would be better off burning your cash than giving it to doublefine for early access or kickstarter games. Their track record is awful with them.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:
There's a comparison in gaming to be made with the auto-ejaculation machine of THX-1138, as well, with the increasing dominance of "cinematic" games and endless achievements for completing otherwise relatively mundane in-game tasks. The theoretical main draw of a game (the actual gameplay) is sidelined, such that you don't have to even play the game in order to "experience" it. I do disagree somewhat, though, in that gameplay can be fun, though it depends on your definition of "fun." I draw a clear distinction between desire and fun. It's pleasurable ("fun") to solve complex problems and perform difficult mechanical tasks successfully, just as it's pleasurable to desire something (though not as pleasurable to finally obtain it). However, the fun of gameplay is not entirely beholden to desire, because the intermediate steps of problem solving and rewards are fun enough in and of themselves. To expand on this argument, and to relate it to yours: the problem is not that games (if we can talk of "games" in a generic, Platonic way for a moment) are not fun, but that they are subordinate to the demands of capitalism. To bring it back to THX-1138, it's not that a block of plastic cannot be a nice, decorative piece, but that it is insisted upon by the economic system that you buy one. The confession booth that Robert Duvall visits turns this consumerism into a religious experience, with the blanched face of the Anglo-Saxon Christ imploring him to "buy more." The actual art of a game - its gameplay and related themes - becomes perfunctory to its purpose as a commodity to be sold for a profit, and the person buying the game becomes compelled to purchase it because of the neverending need of desire for something new, even if (or perhaps because) the actual essence of the game continues to be the same, sterile essence of the games purchased before. All that remains, then, is the pleasure of desire. Vermain fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Sep 24, 2014 |
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Dazzling Klaxon posted:i thought betraying gamers would cause fewer sales, not more Actual elimination of tits would. Talking points about how strong female character Doesanal Dicksuckinglips is as resourceful and independent as Broadshoulders McGunphallus not so much.
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ColdReaches posted:Why doesn't games have a subforum called the game dump, like cin has the film dump? This is a very interesting idea to me. Could be enlightening and pay off spades with this supposed demand for agenda-less reviews. Hope Lowtax sees that one.
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I really need to see that movie. edit: you think the need to objectify women in games would eventually die down on it's own thanks to the availability of free online pornography. I get the impression having naked chicks in a movie doesn't draw an audience of teenage boys in like it used to and I haven't seen the kind of games we had in the early 2000s (BMX-XXX/The Guy Game) being produced in a long time. Sephiroth_IRA fucked around with this message at 20:29 on Sep 24, 2014 |
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Dazzling Klaxon posted:i thought betraying gamers would cause fewer sales, not more gamers purchase with their lizard brain so as long as they don't actually change their generic manshoot games they can say anything they like.
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Vermain posted:There's a comparison in gaming to be made with the auto-ejaculation machine of THX-1138, as well, with the increasing dominance of "cinematic" games and endless achievements for completing otherwise relatively mundane in-game tasks. The theoretical main draw of a game (the actual gameplay) is sidelined, such that you don't have to even play the game in order to "experience" it. are you saying games are good
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Sephiroth_IRA posted:Gabe is an alpha and doesn't have to stoop to beta levels to get laid: Girl on the right not wearing panties
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The Snark posted:Could be enlightening and pay off spades with this supposed demand for agenda-less reviews.
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Spanish Manlove posted:post++ I don't get this thread at all, it's a bunch of people mad at 1's and 0's manipulated to have a set outcome. Throw in a RNG and it's gold. I don't get it. I guess i'm just too old.
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