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Jst0rm posted:so the dems knew before they voted that bush was lying and trumping up weak intelligence to go to war? it's irrelevant because they didn't care either way
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The dems could have known but they didn't care. There were certainly dems on the intelligence committees. e: things run smoother politically if nobody can summon the courage to ask difficult questions.
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Oct 10, 2014 02:14
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Tautologicus posted:Stuff chalabi told them mostly. Also that the defense contractor god needs to be fed human blood periodically or our inflated economy goes to hell. actually, from a quick search I see the democrats tried to subpena chalabi in 2005 but that was after the vote. Are you saying the bush administration repeated things chilabi said to the democrats?
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Oct 10, 2014 02:14
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VikingSkull posted:it's irrelevant because they didn't care either way its certainly relevant to some posters who think bush shouldnt be blamed.
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Oct 10, 2014 02:15
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Jst0rm posted:actually, from a quick search I see the democrats tried to subpena chalabi in 2005 but that was after the vote. Are you saying the bush administration repeated things chilabi said to the democrats? Yes they believed everything he told them and used him as the basis for their justification for the war. No joke as far as i know.
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Oct 10, 2014 02:16
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Jst0rm posted:its certainly relevant to some posters who think bush shouldnt be blamed. they are just as dumb as the ones who think the democrats are blameless
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Oct 10, 2014 02:16
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everyone in congress who voted for the war should be put on trial for warcrimes weird how there were plenty of people who realized the war posturing was bullshit because of a history of insane and offensively stupid american war posturing
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Oct 10, 2014 02:16
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it... it keeps happening.. gently caress!!
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Oct 10, 2014 02:17
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Tautologicus posted:Yes they believed everything he told them and used him as the basis for their justification for the war. No joke as far as i know. the iraq war resolution: Party Yeas Nays Not Voting Republican 215 6 2 Democratic 82 126 1 Independent 0 1 0 TOTALS 297 133 3 Looks like the majority of the dems said no. Are they all still to blame for the iraq war equally? It looks like a very Republican war to me. But I only have a passing knowledge on the subject.
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Oct 10, 2014 02:20
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THS posted:everyone in congress who voted for the war should be put on trial for warcrimes see also; The Islamic State as a threat to the continental US.
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Oct 10, 2014 02:20
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Jst0rm posted:the iraq war resolution: yup
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Oct 10, 2014 02:21
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loving Bush he hornswaggled us all! *doubles down on his foreign policy, expands domestic surveillance*
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Oct 10, 2014 02:23
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so how many democrats have stood up the drone war, the nsa hoedown, and the renewed iraq war that sure looks to be intensifying
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Oct 10, 2014 02:24
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the fact that democrats vote weakly against militarism when bush is president then embrace it when a democrat is president is not really an argument in favor of principled liberal opposition in congress
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Oct 10, 2014 02:24
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Really? Do you think that because you want it to be true because it really doesnt look like the majority of the dems voted for war in iraq. I mean maybe you have mroe information then me on this but from here in liberal California it looks like the republicans hosed up really bad.
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Oct 10, 2014 02:24
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THS posted:the fact that democrats vote weakly against militarism when bush is president then embrace it when a democrat is president is not really an argument in favor of principled liberal opposition in congress how did they embrace it?
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Oct 10, 2014 02:25
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Jst0rm posted:how did they embrace it? VikingSkull posted:loving Bush he hornswaggled us all!
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Oct 10, 2014 02:26
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Jst0rm posted:Really? Do you think that because you want it to be true because it really doesnt look like the majority of the dems voted for war in iraq. I mean maybe you have mroe information then me on this but from here in liberal California it looks like the republicans hosed up really bad. does it? cause it looks like they are gonna take the senate this year
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Oct 10, 2014 02:26
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have you been living under a goddamn rock for the last couple years. yes... this administration.. very dove like. heck, obama won a nobel peace prize
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Oct 10, 2014 02:26
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funny thing about clinton is that shes shifting hugely to the right on foreign policy, criticizing obama that hes not tough enough in the ramp up to her candidacy. what a weird and strange phenomena
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Oct 10, 2014 02:28
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I do love that this time it's a Democrat leaving his successor a war that's being fought in the air and with advisors as an escalation trap unlike the last time that happened
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Oct 10, 2014 02:28
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it really is a kind of poetry
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Oct 10, 2014 02:29
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people still pick sides I don't get it
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Oct 10, 2014 02:30
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VikingSkull posted:people still pick sides I don't get it
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Oct 10, 2014 02:31
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Do you think that we would of been better off with Saddam in power? In that power vacuum that was created from that war that had significant republican support and about 1/3rd democrat support a thing is festering. What should be done about that thing?
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Oct 10, 2014 02:32
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Jst0rm posted:Do you think that we would of been better off with Saddam in power? ahahahahahahaha yess it comes
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Oct 10, 2014 02:33
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Jst0rm posted:Do you think that we would of been better off with Saddam in power? In that power vacuum that was created from that war that had significant republican support and about 1/3rd democrat support a thing is festering. What should be done about that thing? nobody is better off ever, your government hates you and death is certain
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Oct 10, 2014 02:33
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republicans vote for war like this: "hur dur hur dur" but democrats vote for war like this: "doot deet doot deet"
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Oct 10, 2014 02:33
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lol the government votes on wars
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Oct 10, 2014 02:34
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there was a declaration of war??
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Oct 10, 2014 02:35
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no declaration of war is needed now.. in a post 9/11 era America is Always At War. things are different now.. the enemy is permanent yet also impermanent.. it is endless war.
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Oct 10, 2014 02:36
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Jst0rm posted:Do you think that we would of been better off with Saddam in power? In that power vacuum that was created from that war that had significant republican support and about 1/3rd democrat support a thing is festering. What should be done about that thing? Abandon Israel and the Gulf. Cut all military aid to kings and juntas worldwide.
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Oct 10, 2014 02:36
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no seriously UN it's gonna be a small token air campaign to prevent a city from falling in this specific instance, same to you Congress it's no big deal really *flattens Libya* Russia, you voted on this, why you mad
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Oct 10, 2014 02:37
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If my questions are getting too uncomfortable we can leave it there. I am actually interested in what you think as I assume you are right of center and I dont normally interact with people who are right of center.
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Oct 10, 2014 02:37
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VikingSkull posted:no seriously UN it's gonna be a small token air campaign to prevent a city from falling in this specific instance, same to you Congress it's no big deal really yea but would you have preferred libya with qadaffi?? libya is now a bastion of democracy in the arab world
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Oct 10, 2014 02:37
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if you think criticism of american imperialism is "right-of-center" i'm not sure what to tell you
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Oct 10, 2014 02:38
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Miltank posted:Abandon Israel and the Gulf. Cut all military aid to kings and juntas worldwide. But we want the oil to flow in some kind of stable environment.
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Oct 10, 2014 02:38
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brb gonna go extrajudicially execute someone in a covert raid within the borders of a nuclear armed ally
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Jst0rm posted:If my questions are getting too uncomfortable we can leave it there. I am actually interested in what you think as I assume you are right of center and I dont normally interact with people who are right of center. if you are a democrat then you are already right of center dude.
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Jst0rm posted:But we want the oil to flow in some kind of stable environment. oh. youre trolling
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