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ImpAtom posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PouA2_Y7vHs She is also named for a famous pedophile magazine from japan
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muike posted:She is also named for a famous pedophile magazine from japan haha what
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Oct 12, 2014 04:41
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Sharkopath posted:haha what Yeaaaaaah quote:Her name is a pun on the title of a Japanese hentai magazine, Lemon People, which was popularly referred to as "L People" (エル・ピープル Eru Pīpuru?) Tho I never really took issue with how she was in the show, she's just a goofy little kid that was a bit weird since she happened to have some psychic powers. (And the goofy part wasn't a big deal because heck, most of the ZZ cast was goofy)
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Oct 12, 2014 04:42
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Srice posted:Yeaaaaaah Yeah, that is why the English version of her name is Elpeo Ple. To make sure they capture that pun. Sigh.
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ImpAtom posted:Yeah, that is why the English version of her name is Elpeo Ple. To make sure they capture that pun. It really made the Unicorn dub a bit awkward when they talked about Marida's past. IIRC they pronounced "Ple" like "Pull". Srice fucked around with this message at 04:49 on Oct 12, 2014 |
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ImpAtom posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PouA2_Y7vHs 0:12 and I think I'm all up on purupuru. muike posted:She is also named for a famous pedophile magazine from japan lol Potsticker fucked around with this message at 04:51 on Oct 12, 2014 |
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Oct 12, 2014 04:49
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She's kind of a bad example of Tomino using moeblobs considering they blow her up and no one really cares. No one really cared when they blew up 25 of her clones either. Well except that last one.
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Oct 12, 2014 04:50
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Well no duh they didn't care, her ghost was sticking around the entire time.
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Went back to check a line from episode one and, perhaps hilariously in light of recently reopened topics of discussion, spotted what looks like between two and three (possibly more) girls in Bellri's class while waiting for instructor guy to get to the point: The one up top appears to have breasts, and the two on bottom have female hairstyles at the very least. Three out of, like, two dozen isn't an especially good ratio, but it's still kind of neat to have a few girl cadets to go with our boy cheerleader. 
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Oct 12, 2014 07:56
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ImpAtom posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PouA2_Y7vHs what the gently caress did I just watch is this some cruel joke (oh well, can't say I wasn't warned)
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Oct 12, 2014 08:19
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It is the year 2014 and there are Gundam fans who do not know about Ple. Did not know about Ple.
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Oct 12, 2014 08:22
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I knew of her. I just didn't know about that. Have watched enough ZZ to know that it's a bad show but holy drat son.
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Oct 12, 2014 08:31
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Everything I knew about Puru, I learned from Dynasty Warriors Gundam. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNmIl8DtJ30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muynIcrnjB4
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Oct 12, 2014 08:47
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And I just remembered that her voice actress is dead. 
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Oct 12, 2014 09:01
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Sharkopath posted:Aida is a bad character because she cries Fixed that for you. You complain that people are willfully ignoring plot points to justify your dislike. I'd argue that you're just misrepresenting our side of the argument.
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Oct 12, 2014 09:22
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Bimmi posted:I knew of her. I just didn't know about that. Everything about Ple is so poorly handled it is kind of amazing. Like, she might be the single worst written part of the entire show.
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Oct 12, 2014 09:30
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BlitzBlast posted:Everything about Ple is so poorly handled it is kind of amazing. Like, she might be the single worst written part of the entire show. I think she's a fun character when she's bouncing off of all of Judau's dumb friends, but it was really weird how she literally committed suicide to save Judau's life and no one really gave a gently caress.
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Oct 12, 2014 09:41
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I just realized that Glemy's shift in characterization is sudden and incoherent but at least his development from posing as a white knight to being a creepy babysitter is entirely believable.
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Caros posted:Fixed that for you. That's still only sometimes, but thank you for proving my point.
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Oct 12, 2014 13:25
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So is there an acceptable ratio of 'time on screen' to 'time spent shedding tears' so we can all be sure if Aida has crossed the line or not.
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Being emotional is also an aspect of a strongly written character, especially if it's an aspect that is utilized in moments when it would be appropriate, like failing a mission and facing imprisonment and possible death, losing a loved one, and reminiscing about said loved one. Aida tears up and cries very momentarily, for an example of that sort of thing handled poorly by Tomino you don't have to go very far. Poe was a character who was never allowed to accomplish anything under their own power, had no real goals beyond doing whatever was told to her, and in an attempt at humor that fell really flat, for me at least, broke down into actual hysterics every time she failed. Aida cries, but she's incredibly headstrong and is actually the primary motivator in the plot currently, everything is centered around her and her actions and decisions, decisions she is making for herself. If you wanted to, you could read it as Tomino recycling the concept and giving it another try, like a lot of aspects of this show already are.
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Oct 12, 2014 13:50
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"I don't see what's wrong, I'm piloting my mobile suit and going back to my unit" is a really good line, for that reason.
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Oct 12, 2014 13:55
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Her crying in the next episode is literally her meeting her commanding officer again, after having been separated from him, being imprisoned, and losing her loved one. This is the first meeting they've had since then. She could cry in every single preview in every single episode and it still wouldn't make her a bad character, apropos of nothing. Sharkopath fucked around with this message at 14:03 on Oct 12, 2014 |
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Oct 12, 2014 13:56
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Sharkopath posted:Her crying in the next episode is literally her meeting her commanding officer again, after having been separated from him, being imprisoned, and losing her loved one. This is the first meeting they've had since then. Yeah the context is very important. I could see an argument for the first time when she was captured, though I feel like it's on shaky ground. The other times though? That has been a completely reasonable thing to do. Something I'd like to ask the folks that do have a problem with the crying in the episodes after the first, though: There are examples of guys crying in Gundam under similar circumstances (ie: losing someone they cared about in battle). Is there something different here that I'm not seeing?
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Oct 12, 2014 14:43
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I don't actually have any issue with Aida crying; my initial comment was more being snarky about 'sometimes' and 'four out of four episodes' both being equally accurate descriptions of the frequency she does it. That aside, I have to assume that if Tomino decided to show her crying at least once per episode, at least so far, then there is in fact something about it that he wishes to draw attention to, although I'm not sure what it is just yet.
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Sakurazuka posted:Gonna turn out everyone is on Equilibrium style drugs and that's why no-one reacts to anything except with mild interest, just you wait and see. It's like everyone forgets Aida is the bloody enemy. I mean holy poo poo what kinda dumbass escorts a prisoner to the hanger and lets them pilot their own vehicle? Colonel didn't seem to give half a poo poo that an advanced piece of technology was being recaptured. He just stood with a phone at the window, watching three zillions dollars of stolen R&D waltz out the door. Did I miss some critical line somewhere that explains why everyone is doesn't even bat an eyelid?
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ScottyWired posted:It's like everyone forgets Aida is the bloody enemy. I mean holy poo poo what kinda dumbass escorts a prisoner to the hanger and lets them pilot their own vehicle? It seemed implied that they had arranged for that to happen when Aida was talking with the colonel, though we don't know why yet. The reason I think that's the case is because later on, the higher ups are not surprised that Aida took off, they're surprised that Bellri was also in the G-Self. (To say nothing of how the colonel just nonchalantly watches the G-Self depart and only afterwards does he call someone to say it escaped)
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Srice posted:Yeah the context is very important. You can also point to a fair few episodes of Gundam Seed and "kick-me-in-the-balls-for-the-right-pitch" Kira just to show that it goes for both genders, and under worse writing .Serious answer; I haven't had a chance to see episode 3 yet, but crying seemed a perfectly reasonable reaction to watching someone you care about and respect get reduced to warm meat slurry in the cockpit of their Grimoire by a point-blank beam shot.
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I will say that the placement of episode 3's crying scene is weird even if the fact that she's crying isn't.
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Pureauthor posted:I will say that the placement of episode 3's crying scene is weird even if the fact that she's crying isn't. Her dancing/acting really nonchalantly around Bell in the before scene is weird, but if she did broker a deal with the chairman to leave with the gundam she might have cause to be elated. The actual conversation where it happens is fine though, she's discussing it directly with him and thinking about the dude's virtues and how hes gone now is what caused her to tear up, like in a normal conversation where somebody is trying in futility to hold back their grief.
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Considering they haven't screamed about beam weapons making mobile suits go thermonuclear, even though they've been shooting beam weapons, I've looked it up and the G-Self seems to run on photon batteries. Seems like they've lost fusion technology if the elevator is the only mass-power supply, which still raises the question where they get minovsky particles from.
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Honestly most of the "this depiction is weird" can be mostly attributed to the fact that Tomino writes people in weird ways in general. Stuff like Ideon comes across as a borderline wake fever dream at times. He writes people in general in absolutely bizarre ways.
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Zorak posted:Honestly most of the "this depiction is weird" can be mostly attributed to the fact that Tomino writes people in weird ways in general. Stuff like Ideon comes across as a borderline wake fever dream at times. He writes people in general in absolutely bizarre ways. He oscillates between these incredibly realistic depictions of people and how'd they respond to events and then having aliens in flesh suits. In regards to the people not batting an eyelid bit, though, it seems like a lot of this is prearranged and meant to happen, both by the R&D department, and by the strange religious organization.
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I watched the first two episodes while really tired and slightly intoxicated. I think that's probably intended viewing state for the watcher. But holy poo poo, built-in toilets. This series is my top Gundam series now. ...I couldn't find a gif/short animation of the scene by googling. Anyone have one of the scene? Is it weird that I thought the depiction of the guy drinking a bottle of water and taking a dump as kind of realistic depiction for this show being a Gundam show? Why is this world weird and in some ways regressed in technology? (rotator phones, etc.)
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I'm assuming that they had wired phones because those wouldn't be jammed by minovsky particles.
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Zorak posted:Honestly most of the "this depiction is weird" can be mostly attributed to the fact that Tomino writes people in weird ways in general. Stuff like Ideon comes across as a borderline wake fever dream at times. He writes people in general in absolutely bizarre ways. I hear what you're saying, but Aida is crying right now.
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As long as he doesn't write another Kasha I think we'll all be ok.
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I hope the Ameria/Capital Tower war happens soon. We'll start with denying the Amerians photon energy cells. That'll go down real well.
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Darth Walrus posted:I hear what you're saying, but Aida is crying right now. "This is just how that creator does things" isn't a good defense, for any of the show's faults.
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