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Is this the first competitive UB control since the Tezzeret deck during Zen-Scars?
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mr. mephistopheles posted:Is this the first competitive UB control since the Tezzeret deck during Zen-Scars? There was a Drownyard deck at one point. I'm pretty sure it was straight blue-black for a while before everyone caught on that it was actually terrible.
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Oct 12, 2014 09:37
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Hellsau posted:There was a Drownyard deck at one point. I'm pretty sure it was straight blue-black for a while before everyone caught on that it was actually terrible. That deck was great, it would just calmly let you rev for 7 and not even care as it slowly ground you out with drownyards. Unloseable matchup against other control decks.
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Oct 12, 2014 10:06
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Always feels good to be rewarded by drafting all morph creatures by getting a pack 3 Ghostfire Blade. I have never spend so many turns at 1-2 life before finally recovering in all these games.
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Oct 12, 2014 10:38
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I don't usually like control decks, but that UB deck looks nice and straightforward.
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Oct 12, 2014 11:06
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Regional PTQ locations for the first season they're up are also out. Date is 25th of April: http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage/ptktk/regional-ptq-locations-and-promo-card-revealed-2014-10-11 They're pretty much as expected for Europe. UK, France, Spain, Italy, Germany have their own, Prague has one in Eastern Europe, Stockholm one in Scandinavian region, and St. Petersburg one in Russia. Stockholm and St. Petersburg ain't worst to reach from Finland.
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Oct 12, 2014 11:22
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cheetah7071 posted:That deck was great, it would just calmly let you rev for 7 and not even care as it slowly ground you out with drownyards. Unloseable matchup against other control decks. You could keep a seven land hand with a Drownyard and be so far ahead, and also be immune to Duress!
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Oct 12, 2014 11:25
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Holy crap, New England got screwed hard. Seriously, I have to drive to Catskill???
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Oct 12, 2014 13:09
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Lets Pickle posted:New rares in multiple decks in the top 8: I like how there are more Sorin being played than Sarkhan. Wingmate Roc is an interesting multiple of, but I think even minor swarm with anything over 3 toughness is going to be a boon for any deck moving forward. Overall, the amount of variety is fantastic. Sure, there is lots of Jeskai, but they're all wildly different than one another, I would be surprised if the deck settles into a standard form before Fate Reforged is released.
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Oct 12, 2014 14:21
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Lunsku posted:Regional PTQ locations for the first season they're up are also out. Date is 25th of April: I was pleased to see in london on the list i thought it may only be on the continent.
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Oct 12, 2014 14:59
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Can we Theory: The Gathering the Jeskai vs. Abzan midrange matchup? It feels like Abzan should have the edge with all that life gain (sorin, roc, rhino), but I have a hard time thinking all those Jeskai decks just dodged the matchup into the top 8. Also, Midwest doing well with PTQs. Chicago and KC Kansas? Our cup runneth over. Not that it matters, I probably won't qualify. 
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Oct 12, 2014 15:02
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I have no problem if these clan names are being used for standard decks because they are quite useful that way. However, I am afraid of change and speaking/typing extra letters so I will continue to call them RUG/BUG/junk/maybe Mardu or newspaper for legacy and modern.  Also it's Dutch/French control, not american  it has less letters and is superior!
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Oct 12, 2014 15:52
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Chill la Chill posted:I have no problem if these clan names are being used for standard decks because they are quite useful that way. However, I am afraid of change and speaking/typing extra letters so I will continue to call them RUG/BUG/junk/maybe Mardu or newspaper for legacy and modern. Um excuse me it is pronounced "Dega".
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Oct 12, 2014 16:38
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Count Bleck posted:Um excuse me it is pronounced "Dega". Dega'ing your own grave with comments like that. 
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Oct 12, 2014 17:41
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I did terribly at Washington States yesterday, but I am still really excited for Standard. WHAT? I played against 4 different decks (well one was a mirror), while running Abzan. There's so many ways to make the deck, and it makes me stoked to find the right combo that fits what I want to do and still have fun. Lots of silly things happening in Standard now, and it's pretty fun, especially when this is a smaller set format right now.
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Oct 12, 2014 17:46
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En Fuego posted:I did terribly at Washington States yesterday, but I am still really excited for Standard. WHAT? I agree. I may not care for many of the decks out there yet, but on MTGO I think I've only seen two or three duplicates all weekend. Contrast this with a year ago when all you would see right now is mono black and mono blue, all identical card for card.
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Oct 12, 2014 17:49
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Lets Pickle posted:New rares in multiple decks in the top 8: I remember when people told me Wingmate Roc sucks for being "too conditional" and that buying a playset at $4 each was not a particularly good investment.
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Oct 12, 2014 18:01
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Angry Grimace posted:I remember when people told me Wingmate Roc sucks for being "too conditional" and that buying a playset at $4 each was not a particularly good investment.
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Oct 12, 2014 18:05
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BaronVonVaderham posted:Contrast this with a year ago when all you would see right now is mono black and mono blue, all identical card for card. I disagree. There was pretty good variety a year ago, too; it took a while for the top archetypes to cement themselves at the top, and it took a while after that for people to realize just how much of a disadvantage they were at if they weren't playing one of them.
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Oct 12, 2014 18:08
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neetengie posted:I didn't buy them at $4 each because of other investments but I wish I had. Are most of the people at your LGS poor with card evaluation? I mean it's two dudes, and the ability of the main roc is upside. I think people looked at it, and compared its upsides and downsides, and thought it downsides were greater. Upsides 2 3/4's for 5cmc + gain life Downsides: No gurantee you get 2 creatures. A 3/4 for 5cmc is bad. It also is outclassed by one of standards premium fliers, Stormbreath Dragon. The part where people are "bad at card evaluation" isn't the card itself a lot of the time, it is the context.
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Oct 12, 2014 18:13
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The UB control is weird as heck because it's so incredibly unsexy, unflashy, and not visibly powerful. I know we're coming off two years of Verdict/Revelation that are coloring that impression but yeah. Not even any walkers. Nothing about it says to me "you can't compete with me in the late game" like I expect from control.
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Oct 12, 2014 18:16
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All the excitement of getting back into type 2 and a super cool new standard environment led to me abandoning my better judgment and playing the pack lottery, since I own a grand total of 75 MtG cards now. (Sub-Sligh, woo!) Bought 5 packs from the checkout line at Target:   Maybe... maybe just a couple more...
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Oct 12, 2014 18:18
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Nehru the Damaja posted:The UB control is weird as heck because it's so incredibly unsexy, unflashy, and not visibly powerful. I know we're coming off two years of Verdict/Revelation that are coloring that impression but yeah. Not even any walkers. Nothing about it says to me "you can't compete with me in the late game" like I expect from control. It first blush, yeah. It looks like it has Despise and Thoughtseize for early game hand removal, late gate Disdain and Dissolves for Mid. Resolve a Sphinx and never let it die, I guess. I want to know what the heck Pearl Lake Ancient comes in against?
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Oct 12, 2014 18:21
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jassi007 posted:I think people looked at it, and compared its upsides and downsides, and thought it downsides were greater. stinkles1112 posted:All the excitement of getting back into type 2 and a super cool new standard environment led to me abandoning my better judgment and playing the pack lottery, since I own a grand total of 75 MtG cards now. (Sub-Sligh, woo!)
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Oct 12, 2014 18:28
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Nehru the Damaja posted:The UB control is weird as heck because it's so incredibly unsexy, unflashy, and not visibly powerful. I know we're coming off two years of Verdict/Revelation that are coloring that impression but yeah. Not even any walkers. Nothing about it says to me "you can't compete with me in the late game" like I expect from control. I think that's because we're still underrating Dig Through Time. It's just absurd power for a control deck; Revelation would draw you more cards, but Dig will draw you exactly what you need, more cheaply. It is, in fact, a sexy card. Deckit posted:It first blush, yeah. It looks like it has Despise and Thoughtseize for early game hand removal, late gate Disdain and Dissolves for Mid. Resolve a Sphinx and never let it die, I guess. It's just the basic finisher. Nothing else really works because they all die to Vault.
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Oct 12, 2014 18:28
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Deckit posted:It first blush, yeah. It looks like it has Despise and Thoughtseize for early game hand removal, late gate Disdain and Dissolves for Mid. Resolve a Sphinx and never let it die, I guess. I mean I get how it works, yeah. You're just one-for-oneing everything and going up on cards with Dig and virtual card advantage by drawing more live with the Prog Sphinx scrying and your threats are exceptionally hard to kill if the opponent is living off the top of the deck. It just doesn't have the awe-inspiring decisive power I would expect, and you can see it when Owen took the initiative in his last game but was unable to do anything about burn. Basically if a control deck doesn't make me feel like a movie villain I'm not sure it's where I want to be. Nehru the Damaja fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Oct 12, 2014 |
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Oct 12, 2014 18:31
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Nehru the Damaja posted:I mean I get how it works, yeah. You're just one-for-oneing everything and going up on cards with Dig and virtual card advantage by drawing more live with the Prog Sphinx scrying and your threats are exceptionally hard to kill if the opponent is living off the top of the deck. It just doesn't have the awe-inspiring decisive power I would expect, and you can see it when Owen took the initiative in his last game but was unable to do anything about burn. burn has always had a great control matchup
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Oct 12, 2014 18:37
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The Lord of Hats posted:I think that's because we're still underrating Dig Through Time. It's just absurd power for a control deck; Revelation would draw you more cards, but Dig will draw you exactly what you need, more cheaply. It is, in fact, a sexy card. Ah, right right. That makes sense. Awesome. Go Pearl Lake Ancient!  Edit: Is there anything that actually has a good matchup vs Jeskai Wins right now? Deckit fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Oct 12, 2014 |
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Oct 12, 2014 18:43
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jassi007 posted:I think people looked at it, and compared its upsides and downsides, and thought it downsides were greater. I honestly still don't like it. It's probably the right card for the deck right now but if I buy any I'll be looking to get rid of them before the next set comes out.
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Oct 12, 2014 18:49
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NovemberMike posted:I honestly still don't like it. It's probably the right card for the deck right now but if I buy any I'll be looking to get rid of them before the next set comes out. I do not either. Despite the fact that Gruul Monsters didn't really show well at the PT that is what I'm playing. My stormbreath will happily be eating Wingmate Roc all standard (if they don't downfall him!)
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Oct 12, 2014 19:22
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Deckit posted:Ah, right right. That makes sense. Awesome. Go Pearl Lake Ancient! devotion, probably. especially post board when they bring in Disciples
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Oct 12, 2014 19:28
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I don't get that control deck. I built it, and it's just a lot of sitting there doing absolutely nothing. If you pull an answer to all their cards then you win, but as soon as you miss one you're basically hosed. There's really no nuance or choice to the deck and it's boring to play. Also I don't get the amount of taplands, they just make it feel even more sluggish. I've been playing a UB control that uses Ashiok and having better luck with it and a lot more fun. It makes it really easy to steal and cast anything from Jeskai and the only way for them to get rid of him is to use up their burn kill spells. E: Cards that basically never do enough work but I'm not sure what to replace them with: Bile Blight and Silence the Believers.
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Oct 12, 2014 19:36
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mr. mephistopheles posted:I don't get that control deck. I built it, and it's just a lot of sitting there doing absolutely nothing. If you pull an answer to all their cards then you win, but as soon as you miss one you're basically hosed. There's really no nuance or choice to the deck and it's boring to play. Also I don't get the amount of taplands, they just make it feel even more sluggish. It's not at all a stretch for that U/B list to see 15 cards in 2 turns (and keep 3-5 of them). That's a crazy amount of filtering, and ensures that you win the game the moment your opponent runs out of steam. It's also being piloted by Control Genius (and reigning Pro Tour Champion) Ivan Floch, so in this case the player behind it might be just as important. Also, Bile Blight kills Mantis Riders & Silence the Believers can easily kill 2 creatures in a deck that can cast Pearl Lake Ancient.
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Oct 12, 2014 19:43
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Floch even admitted yesterday that it's probably not the no. 1 deck right now, but it's the type he enjoys the most.
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Oct 12, 2014 19:45
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mr. mephistopheles posted:I've been playing a UB control that uses Ashiok and having better luck with it and a lot more fun. It makes it really easy to steal and cast anything from Jeskai and the only way for them to get rid of him is to use up their burn kill spells. The lack of Ashiok really surprised me, I'd think he would make some kind of appearance as another useful, hard to burn threat.
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Oct 12, 2014 20:01
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Frozen_flame posted:The lack of Ashiok really surprised me, I'd think he would make some kind of appearance as another useful, hard to burn threat. Eh, the U/B deck seems predicated on making your deck have lots of blanks.
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Oct 12, 2014 20:09
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Niton posted:It's not at all a stretch for that U/B list to see 15 cards in 2 turns (and keep 3-5 of them). That's a crazy amount of filtering, and ensures that you win the game the moment your opponent runs out of steam. It's also being piloted by Control Genius (and reigning Pro Tour Champion) Ivan Floch, so in this case the player behind it might be just as important. I understand the purpose of the cards in theory, but playing on MTGO they just aren't doing a ton. I mean I know I'm a poo poo player compared to him, but it's not hard to see if there's a creature and if you have a spell to kill it. Dig is getting played like turn four minimum, which by then Jeskai has poo poo out all of their creatures and if you are relying on it to pull you answers that you don't already have then you're pretty much dead. Filtering 15 cards in two turns is meaningless if the meta wins most games before the turn you're able to do that. The decks only early game is "draw the exact cards you need or die" and I don't know if there's a card that can make up for that yet. All of the early game draw/filter is pretty lovely right now. I don't know. I think the deck has potential, but I think it's missing pieces. It's obviously not THE top deck, but I don't think UB has been since Fae.
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Oct 12, 2014 20:14
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Throw Ari Lax into a volcano so I don't have to see his face again.
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Oct 12, 2014 20:20
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How can the production value of the pro tour consistently stay so low? Currently getting players to describe their sideboards between match 1 and 2, but the audio is still on the booth. Come on
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Oct 12, 2014 20:33
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