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greatn posted:I think Waid also, when he returned, made the comic all about Wally's kids no one cared about. He was sort of pissed at that. He said that he said all that he had to say with the character. Other than Zoom what great villains did Johns create other than Zoom? It would be crazy if it was Barry going back in time to stop Zoom killing his mom, only to find out that the battle goes past them and his dad did do it. bobkatt013 fucked around with this message at 19:29 on Oct 23, 2014 |
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Is there an easily viewable list of who wrote for the flash when? Any wikipedia pages i've ran into have been a goddamn mess. I assume I'm looking for Waid and Johns' runs in The Flash v2, but I'm not entirely sure.
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Oct 23, 2014 16:17
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Why do you y'all want his dad to have killed his wife? That's just plain mean.
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Oct 23, 2014 16:46
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Drifter posted:Why do you y'all want his dad to have killed his wife? That's just plain mean. Because it would completely destroy Barry's belief system. It could bring on an existential crisis and maybe even a dark flash period.
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Oct 23, 2014 16:54
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Scapegoat posted:Because it would completely destroy Barry's belief system. It could bring on an existential crisis and maybe even a dark flash period. ...You. You are what's wrong with comics. Not every character has to be 'dark'. If nothing else, if everything's dark, how do you even tell? The only way that leads is constant one-upmanship until it's all death, gore, rape and... *looks at current comics scene* What was my point again?
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Oct 23, 2014 16:56
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Scapegoat posted:Because it would completely destroy Barry's belief system. It could bring on an existential crisis and maybe even a dark flash period. No, gently caress that garbage. Barry's entire draw at the moment is his status as an anti-antihero. gently caress that dark gritty bullshit. Give me fast, fun Flash any day of the week.
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Oct 23, 2014 16:57
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Obviously, something happened that night that involved one but possibly two speedsters. The reason for there being two is Barry being put outside and away from the house. An evil speedster wouldn't do that (in fact, he'd probably just try and off Barry right there) so maybe an older future Flash gets his younger self out of harms way.
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Oct 23, 2014 16:58
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Dark Flash would rip off so many arms.
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Oct 23, 2014 17:00
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Thwomp posted:Obviously, something happened that night that involved one but possibly two speedsters. The reason for there being two is Barry being put outside and away from the house. An evil speedster wouldn't do that (in fact, he'd probably just try and off Barry right there) so maybe an older future Flash gets his younger self out of harms way. Yeah if it were just one guy trying to kill Barry's mom (or Barry) then it would be instantaneous. The continuous blur probably indicates a fight, in the same episode you even have a similar "vortex" when Barry fights the tornado guy
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Oct 23, 2014 17:09
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The liquid effects we've seen seem like they should mean something. When Barry's mom's being killed, Barry's fish water rises up as though it's in zero G. Again, when Barry's hit by lightning we see the effect. And just before the collider starts failing, the champagne out of Wells's bottle does the same thing. In all three cases, the effect happens at the beginning of the event. It's not from the collider, because it happened in Barry's past. But something specific in those three events ties those events together. Nothing exists in all three events that we know of right now. My gut says it's a time travel thing and that Barry is the common element, even in the collider failure, partly due to comics crap I won't go into here.
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Oct 23, 2014 17:22
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Spergatory posted:I could do without Barry's narration summing up the Lesson of the Week at the end of each episode A world without Barry Allen's inner monologue is a place that has no business existing. Let it burn in the fire of a thousand retcons.
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Oct 23, 2014 17:22
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kaynorr posted:A world without Barry Allen's inner monologue is a place that has no business existing. Let it burn in the fire of a thousand retcons. They should have Ollie do some of the inner monologuing during his guest episode. It's like thought bubbles from comics.
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Oct 23, 2014 17:24
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Byers2142 posted:They should have Ollie do some of the inner monologuing during his guest episode. It's like thought bubbles from comics. They accidentally monologue over each other. "I loved you in Wall Street!"
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Oct 23, 2014 17:45
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Byers2142 posted:The liquid effects we've seen seem like they should mean something. When Barry's mom's being killed, Barry's fish water rises up as though it's in zero G. Again, when Barry's hit by lightning we see the effect. And just before the collider starts failing, the champagne out of Wells's bottle does the same thing. In all three cases, the effect happens at the beginning of the event. I think that's just their go to sign that physics have gone wrong. Presumably the first instance is because time travel is occurring, the second and third are because the
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Narcissus1916 posted:Is there an easily viewable list of who wrote for the flash when? Any wikipedia pages i've ran into have been a goddamn mess. I assume I'm looking for Waid and Johns' runs in The Flash v2, but I'm not entirely sure. Basically Waid was #62-#162, Johns was #164-225. There's probably a few fill-ins in that lot. People always go on about those two, but I really liked the Messner-Loebs run before them from #15-61. Anyway, Wally was the best (comic book) Flash.
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Oct 23, 2014 18:27
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Xelkelvos posted:It's possible they might have a second wave of meta humans for some reason or another, even if only temporary. Alternatively, parallel universes I could totally see parallel universes. It's efficient; they can gently caress up characters without actually committing, like vampire Willow on Buffy. Or Fringe. I can also see characters intentionally engineering scenarios that either kill them or turn them to metahumans. "Hey, it worked with the particle accelerator...turn that poo poo on, I'm going to grab these dipoles over here."
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Oct 23, 2014 18:42
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Unkempt posted:Basically Waid was #62-#162, Johns was #164-225. There's probably a few fill-ins in that lot. Yes and one of those fill ins was Millar and Morrison. We could get parallel universes since that is something Flash is known for, and crisis mention. When they bring in Gorrila Grodd I hope they adapt the storyline when he gives every animal awareness and it causes animals to attack humanity and the only one who can save the day is Rex the Wonder Dog. bobkatt013 fucked around with this message at 20:04 on Oct 23, 2014 |
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Oct 23, 2014 19:28
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Speaking of Grodd http://comicbook.com/2014/10/23/gorilla-grodd-confirmed-to-appear-on-the-flash/
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Oct 23, 2014 21:18
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He's right, I said it out loud and it sounded insane and it sounded insane to the people in my office too.
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Oct 23, 2014 21:20
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I'm loving this show, but there's two things that bug me. They're both tiny, mostly unimportant things, but they still bug me. First is just a personal thing. I wanted John Westley Shipp to be Jay Garrick so badly. Being Barry's dad is cool, but he'd have made a wonderful Jay Garrick (and I still think the callback to his Flash role would have been better that way). Granted, anything that gives me some JWS is good, I'll always have a soft spot in my heart for the guy. Second isn't nearly as small, and that's that the actor who plays Eddie Thawne looks vastly more like Barry Allen than Grant Gustin does. I can ignore that Gustin doesn't look... well... anything like Barry Allen, I really can. But when you have another guy in the same show (not to mention the same scene) with him who Does look like comic Barry... it's a bit harder. (they can't even dye Gustin's hair blonde? Really?  )Now enough bitching... bring on Captain Cold, baby. 
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Is there some kind of vital comics plot point that requires Barry to be blonde? Like some extra dimensional power that canonically only activates for people with hair of a certain shinyness quotient? Is his blondness a formative element of his personality, like all the kids at school picked on him for having blond hair and this drove him to become a valiant defender of justice for those whose follicles do not fit with the rest of society's? No? Then who cares what his hair color is. The vast majority of people in the world--hell, I would even say the vast majority of comic nerds--do not give one single gently caress what comics Barry looks like so long as the guy they cast is actually, you know, good at acting.
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Oct 23, 2014 22:24
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Seriously. However Barry Allen is "supposed" to look is irrelevant. This Flash is Flash-as-Spider-Man; Grant Gustin is playing him more like Peter Parker than anything else, and that's why they cast him. And it's a smart move, too. DC doesn't really have an analog to Spider-Man, so they've repurposed Flash into one. Just pretend you're watching that, and this Barry Allen feels entirely appropriate.
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Oct 23, 2014 23:01
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Rocksicles posted:Speaking of Grodd This is all I wanted out of this show. Can't wait. 
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Spergatory posted:Is there some kind of vital comics plot point that requires Barry to be blonde? Like some extra dimensional power that canonically only activates for people with hair of a certain shinyness quotient? Is his blondness a formative element of his personality, like all the kids at school picked on him for having blond hair and this drove him to become a valiant defender of justice for those whose follicles do not fit with the rest of society's? No? I see this point come up a lot, and it's a huge pet peeve of mine. Why can't Flash have dark hair, why can't Superman be black, etc. The reason, for me at least, is a simple matter of Character Fidelity. It's not that they are Important Things (well some can be, relatively, depends on how much you're changing a character), it's that the character is the character, and I feel that when dealing with a character that has established qualities, one should respect them enough not to treat them as expendable without very good reason. It may seem silly that a brunette Barry Allen is Wrong Barry Allen to me, or that Wally West should be a white redhead, or whatever. And maybe it kind of is, but it's not only an issue of 'Why isn't Barry blonde?", it's a larger issue of 'If you're going to do the character, why not do them faithfully, else why did you use that character?". In this case... it's so damned simple to just blonde his hair a bit, it's a trivial effort to make. But for anyone familiar with Barry Allen in comics, for that tiny, trivial little effort what you get is a TV Barry Allen who looks just a little more familiar as that character. And like I said in my last post, even that would be a lot easier to ignore if they didn't have this other actor there who does look a damned lot like comics Barry. *shrugs* It's all just a matter of Character Fidelity IMHO. Respect the property if you're going to be using it; not just the biggest, most obvious aspects of it. [[EDIT: It may also help to note that IP matters are a huge deal in what I do, so it's an issue that is important to me for practical reasons as well as personal opinion-based reasons.]] Wolvorine fucked around with this message at 23:19 on Oct 23, 2014 |
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Oct 23, 2014 23:13
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Wolvorine posted:I see this point come up a lot, and it's a huge pet peeve of mine. Why can't Flash have dark hair, why can't Superman be black, etc. The reason, for me at least, is a simple matter of Character Fidelity. It's not that they are Important Things (well some can be, relatively, depends on how much you're changing a character), it's that the character is the character, and I feel that when dealing with a character that has established qualities, one should respect them enough not to treat them as expendable without very good reason. Holy poo poo jesus Christ.  lol.
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Oct 23, 2014 23:30
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Well considering the main thing about DC is infinite universes this is pretty dumb.
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Oct 23, 2014 23:32
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The character's named Felicity and she's up next week.
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Oct 23, 2014 23:33
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Wow. And I thought I'd seen the dumbest nitpicks possible already. Please don't ever make a serious post about hair color again.
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Oct 23, 2014 23:37
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Drifter posted:Holy poo poo jesus Christ. Like I'm going to listen to a guy named Wolvorine on continuity. Come on!
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Oct 23, 2014 23:38
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I want to know his opinions on Heimdall, don't scare him off yet.
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Oct 24, 2014 00:06
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greatn posted:I want to know his opinions on Heimdall, don't scare him off yet. You don't even need to that since Iris West is the same situation.
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Wolvorine posted:Why can't Flash have dark hair, why can't Superman be black, etc. The reason, for me at least, is a simple matter of Character Fidelity. It's not that they are Important Things (well some can be, relatively, depends on how much you're changing a character), it's that the character is the character, and I feel that when dealing with a character that has established qualities, one should respect them enough not to treat them as expendable without very good reason. I demand a black, queer, transman version of Booster Gold. Just because. Literally for no reason.
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Oct 24, 2014 00:33
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Xealot posted:I demand a black, queer, transman version of Booster Gold. Just because. Literally for no reason. Booster Gold is canonically a black queer transman. He's trans-white, actually.
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Jesus Christ, shut the hell up. 
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So final ratings were adjusted up a tenth to put it at 1.5. Only a .2 loss vs. the World Series is pretty good!
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zoux posted:So final ratings were adjusted up a tenth to put it at 1.5. Only a .2 loss vs. the World Series is pretty good! That's because that World Series game was boring.
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Wolvorine posted:I see this point come up a lot, and it's a huge pet peeve of mine. Why can't Flash have dark hair, why can't Superman be black, etc. The reason, for me at least, is a simple matter of Character Fidelity. It's not that they are Important Things (well some can be, relatively, depends on how much you're changing a character), it's that the character is the character, and I feel that when dealing with a character that has established qualities, one should respect them enough not to treat them as expendable without very good reason. No genre show is perfect. I'm a big fan of police procedurals and seeing how unsecured their crime lab is makes a small part of my brain cry out. You need to put that poo poo aside and enjoy the show. Xealot posted:I demand a black, queer, transman version of Booster Gold. Just because. Literally for no reason. He's messed with the time stream a lot, I can see it.
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Xealot posted:And it's a smart move, too. DC doesn't really have an analog to Spider-Man, so they've repurposed Flash into one. Just pretend you're watching that, and this Barry Allen feels entirely appropriate. DC has tons of Spider-Man analogues. Firestorm, to use someone talked about in the thread a lot, was a Spider-Man analogue. Static, to use a character that's getting his own show, is another. The developing young hero is a really popular theme in comics. Zythrst posted:Well considering the main thing about DC is infinite universes this is pretty dumb. If anything the main thing is the exact opposite since the first time they made a big deal about infinite earths they wiped them all out and left their continuity with just one. And now there's only 52 alternate universes. (Non-comic readers: this whole thing is incredibly confusing and incredibly stupid at all levels. Comic book fans have been banging their heads against the wall over this for thirty years. You really don't want to know about it.)
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It's funny they're rumored to doing another Static Shock show, I got a very Bang Babies vibe from the origin of Flash and his villains in this show
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Random Stranger posted:DC has tons of Spider-Man analogues. Firestorm, to use someone talked about in the thread a lot, was a Spider-Man analogue. Static, to use a character that's getting his own show, is another. The developing young hero is a really popular theme in comics. That's fair. I just meant the specificity of a lithe, red-suited science geek with girl troubles, who gains superpowers in an accident and becomes a fun-loving hero who rescues civilians in jokey ways. It's not just Barry's youth, but the substantial tonal similarity they've thrown in there. Static is probably still like this, though, you're right. The number of "wooooo" moments of Barry running around is already pretty wholesale aping Peter's web-slinging moments, though. It's Spider-Man if he worked with OsCorp instead of against it. And don't get me wrong, it's not a criticism. I think it's great.
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