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DarkCrawler posted:I can't believe you still haven't explained how that is supposed to stop terrorism. Take them out as a military threat, yes... I didn't say it would stop all terrorism ever, I'm saying having ISIS turned into dust would remove the "glorious/romantic" aspect of going over to fight for them, or taking up their cause at home. In so doing, I think it will stop a lot of terrorism, especially among these mentally disturbed converts and such who, realistically, are just going to latch onto the first thing that hits their broken brain the right way.
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FowlTheOwl posted:My wife and I were having a discussion about the shooting and she said Cirillo should have had ammo on hand. I said it was a ceremonial role and they probably didn't want any accidents happening. Except for the part where the killer charged up and shot him in the back. Ammo or no, I don't think Cirillo was going to be able to return fire. Honour guards with ammo would just make them a more likely target for some tryong tp grab some, I would think? They are never dealing with high-alert shoot on sight tactics (with good reason), and don't guard things that are expected to be targeted by actual threats, it would be really hard for them to be able to accurately assess which people in the teeming crowd surrounding them are just passing by, and which ones are trying to case them to take their gun. I honestly don't think there was anything we could do to improve security for Cirillo here. The chance of him getting attacked was exceedingly remote, especially in the manner that he was. Unless we decide to double honour guards everwhere and have them point their gun at anyone who strays too close, how do you deal with a spontaneous assault from a deranged crack addict with a stolen rifle.
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David Corbett posted:It kind of puts Rime's earlier post into perspective. Seems like there was plenty of security on Parliament Hill already, and while Zehaf-Bibeau managed to get through the door, he pretty obviously wasn't going much further. I had to wait several days to ask, but I'm curious what perspective it changed regarding my post? Also,  @ PT6A ranting about and advocating outright genocide for days on end without getting a probation. 
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Rime posted:Also, But then half of the Middle East thread would have to be probated... 
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Poizen Jam posted:Where does anyone get the idea that humans not possessing free will precludes the value of discussions on ethics or morality? If anything, giving up belief in free will has pushed me further and further away from just world fallacy thinking, and toward compassionate and progressive thinking. When I see a criminal commit an act, I'm far more inclined to consider his motivation or life experience that drove him to commit such an act, so that we may prevent it in the future. When I see someone who is struggling in poverty, I'm very much inclined to analyze why that is, be it multigenerational trends or societal privilege working against the person. In fact, I have a hard time believing why people wouldn't fully support a 'Just World' and buck stopping personal responsibility argument put forth by libertarians and objectivists if free will did exist; if at any point in ones life a person is 100% responsible for their choices and situation, and capable of choosing differently, then certainly such ethical credos are tenable. While we have a lot more insight into the brain than we did a few decades ago it is still essentially a black box. Inputs go in, outputs come out, and we only have a limited understanding of what happens in-between. We respond to that ambiguity by hypothesizing that the person has some level of internal control over their behaviour, and we base our ethical and legal guidelines on this belief, even though we also acknowledge that in some cases there were mitigating circumstances influencing how someone acted. The upshot here is that "free will" isn't a precise scientific concept, its a heuristic device we use for making predictions about or evaluations of how people act. I'll grant there are some defects with this approach but I'm not sure we've actually come up with a decent alternative yet. If you think that we have that could actually be a pretty interesting discussion. Five or six years ago I actually made a thread in D&D about how the ideology of liberalism would be impacted if we fully accept the implications of neuroscience, but the thread never really took off. If you want to try and kick off another discussion (perhaps not in this thread though) then I'd be happy to participate.
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Rime posted:Also, If bombing ISIS, or the lands they control, qualified as genocide, every war ever could be classified as genocide. I find the overuse of "genocide" makes light of the actual thing, which is a horrible crime against humanity. It's offensive, and I wish you and others would not do it.
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PT6A posted:If bombing ISIS, or the lands they control, qualified as genocide, every war ever could be classified as genocide. I find the overuse of "genocide" makes light of the actual thing, which is a horrible crime against humanity. It's offensive, and I wish you and others would not do it. I find your repeated calls for the wholesale slaughter of tens of thousands of noncombatants who have the shared misfortune of living in areas that contain members of ISIS offensive, but you just won't shut the gently caress up about it. Please stop.
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Can everyone just block PT6A instead of quoting him and making me see his posts, however briefly. Thanks.
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infernal machines posted:I find your repeated calls for the wholesale slaughter of tens of thousands of noncombatants who have the shared misfortune of living in areas that contain members of ISIS offensive, but you just won't shut the gently caress up about it. I specifically avoided calling for carpet bombings, or the use of nukes, or anything, indeed, other than targeted airstrikes. If you were reading things into my posts that I never said, that's really not my problem.
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PT6A posted:I specifically avoided calling for carpet bombings, or the use of nukes, or anything, indeed, other than targeted airstrikes. If you were reading things into my posts that I never said, that's really not my problem. Targeted airstrikes still cause 10's of thousands of civilian casualities
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We've achieved a much better ratio of collateral damage in the current airstrikes against ISIS, something around 10%. If those 10,000 civilian casualties allowed us to completely wipe out ISIS (total strength under 100,000), I'd consider it pretty worthwhile. I wish we could do better, but the alternative is allowing ISIS to grow and fester. Also, 10,000 or even 100,000 deaths is really far from anything that can realistically be called genocide, even if it's still bad. The West is hosed because we can't even be arsed to prosecute a war against a group with the stated intention of killing us.
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Please stop being a disingenuous poo poo. Either take the time to think through what you're actually saying when you post poo poo like this, and own it, or stop posting about this.PT6A posted:We don't even know if it's a bunch of extremist Muslim fucks yet or not, so that's a little premature. PT6A posted:I saw a CBC report from a city in Jordan that had much of the population, including the mayor, saying they were waiting for ISIL to come so they could support them. I think this would be an ideal location to do the release/bombing. PT6A posted:I specifically avoided calling for carpet bombings, or the use of nukes, or anything, indeed, other than targeted airstrikes. If you were reading things into my posts that I never said, that's really not my problem. He says, followed up by this stunning bit of moral calculus, pulled wholesale from his rear end: PT6A posted:We've achieved a much better ratio of collateral damage in the current airstrikes against ISIS, something around 10%. If those 10,000 civilian casualties allowed us to completely wipe out ISIS (total strength under 100,000), I'd consider it pretty worthwhile. I wish we could do better, but the alternative is allowing ISIS to grow and fester. Also, 10,000 or even 100,000 deaths is really far from anything that can realistically be called genocide, even if it's still bad. infernal machines has issued a correction as of 19:41 on Oct 26, 2014 |
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Not really politics (is anything in this thread?) but Jian Ghomeshi got fired from CBC it looks like. "Information came to our attention recently that in CBC's judgment precludes us from continuing our relationship with Jian" sounds a bit ominous. I really liked Jian and stuff like the media panel was good at talking about Canadian politics and news from a unique viewpoint.
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PT6A posted:We've achieved a much better ratio of collateral damage in the current airstrikes against ISIS, something around 10%. If those 10,000 civilian casualties allowed us to completely wipe out ISIS (total strength under 100,000), I'd consider it pretty worthwhile. I wish we could do better, but the alternative is allowing ISIS to grow and fester. Also, 10,000 or even 100,000 deaths is really far from anything that can realistically be called genocide, even if it's still bad. Well, a war that have been in large part caused by decades of meddling by Western powers since the original borders of what we now call the middle east were drawn up by colonial powers. Even though I think it's terrible and I don't condone it whatsoever, I still at the same time see why these various terrorist groups have so many willing volunteers. If my family was killed by a drone strike as a result of being deemed 'collateral damage' in the process of the West deciding to kill someone, who never even had been tried, let alone found guilty, I'd be pretty extreme in my views against the west too. e: Don't mistake this as me supporting ISIS or whatever, as yes, they are a vile bunch, but talking so callously of civilian casualties being so insignificant due to some sense of "end justifies the means" bullshit, makes me sick. Mederlock has issued a correction as of 19:46 on Oct 26, 2014 |
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infernal machines posted:Please stop being a disingenuous poo poo. Either take the time to think through what you're actually saying when you post poo poo like this, and own it, or stop posting about this. Yes. I'm saying we ought to bomb ISIS and its supporters in all those cases. I think a city led by a pro-ISIS mayor, that states their intention to rebel against the legitimate government of Jordan, is a valid target. Perhaps we don't need to reduce the city to rubble, but we very much should take any and all steps necessary to make sure it remains firmly under the control of the Jordanian government, up to and including airstrikes. Nowhere have I ever said we need to genocide all Arabs. You're pulling that out of your rear end.
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Chicken posted:Not really politics (is anything in this thread?) but Jian Ghomeshi got fired from CBC it looks like. "Information came to our attention recently that in CBC's judgment precludes us from continuing our relationship with Jian" sounds a bit ominous. Whaattt Weren't they just talking last week about how he was taking a leave to deal with his dad dying or something? Something about this sounds off.
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Chicken posted:Not really politics (is anything in this thread?) but Jian Ghomeshi got fired from CBC it looks like. "Information came to our attention recently that in CBC's judgment precludes us from continuing our relationship with Jian" sounds a bit ominous. Jian was a golden goose for CBC Radio/ TV... I was always amazed at how he was able to draw celebrities to his show without being too soft on them... I really wonder what happened, it sounds like it could be serious?
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Chicken posted:Not really politics (is anything in this thread?) but Jian Ghomeshi got fired from CBC it looks like. "Information came to our attention recently that in CBC's judgment precludes us from continuing our relationship with Jian" sounds a bit ominous. drat, I really hope there's not some ugly scandal brewing here. That article reads like an obit.
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Ghomeshi is suing CBC for $50 million, apparently... Also, there's this: https://twitter.com/JesseBrown/status/526435684832509954 And this: https://twitter.com/ryantologist/status/526439911998881792 (There have always been rumors surrounding him being a womanizer, etc). mr. unhsib has issued a correction as of 20:05 on Oct 26, 2014 |
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mr. unhsib posted:Ghomeshi is suing CBC for $50 million, apparently... So, I'm guessing the CanadaLand guy is the one who provided the information to CBC that led to them deciding to let Ghomeshi go? Hm, looks like there's some smoke here, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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I am interested to hear the story behind this. Q is one of my favourite CBC shows.
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PT6A posted:Yes. I'm saying we ought to bomb ISIS and its supporters in all those cases. I think a city led by a pro-ISIS mayor, that states their intention to rebel against the legitimate government of Jordan, is a valid target. Perhaps we don't need to reduce the city to rubble, but we very much should take any and all steps necessary to make sure it remains firmly under the control of the Jordanian government, up to and including airstrikes. Bombing a city because it's mayor is supportive of ISIS, even though that might just be a survival strategy, or the mayor may be an unelected appointee placed after Isis took over is somehow morally repugnant to D&D posters. I can't really explain it.
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senae posted:Bombing a city because it's mayor is supportive of ISIS, even though that might just be a survival strategy, or the mayor may be an unelected appointee placed after Isis took over is somehow morally repugnant to D&D posters. I can't really explain it. Please don't. We've moved on to speculating about "celebrity" gossip, and it's so much nicer.
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Chicken posted:Not really politics (is anything in this thread?) but Jian Ghomeshi got fired from CBC it looks like. "Information came to our attention recently that in CBC's judgment precludes us from continuing our relationship with Jian" sounds a bit ominous. Well, well, well... This is curious...
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El Scotch posted:Well, well, well... This is curious... Toronto reddit threads have some anonymous CBC staffers who won't get into details, but claim it's some very dark stuff, even for the media world.
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It is fairly well known in media and literary circles that Jian is a total loving creep who has acted completely inappropriately towards women in both his personal and professional life. When can lit started talking about sexual abuse and inappropriate relationships a couple weeks ago, I felt pretty strongly that his days were numbered.
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Jian's been dropped as Giller Prize host: https://twitter.com/GillerPrize/status/526459472676257792
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HookShot posted:There's also this It's disturbing that despite the "oh yeah, he's got a reputation for that" open secret talk that's bubbling out now, Carla Ciccone was the only one to ever speak out about it. And even though she didn't directly name him she still got poo poo for the article and daring to impugn the reputation of Jian Ghomeshi.
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infernal machines posted:It's disturbing that despite the "oh yeah, he's got a reputation for that" open secret talk that's bubbling out now, Carla Ciccone was the only one to ever speak out about it. And even though she didn't directly name him she still got poo poo for the article and daring to impugn the reputation of Jian Ghomeshi. I mean, that's exactly why people don't speak out.
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Twiin posted:I mean, that's exactly why people don't speak out. I was just listening to Jesse Brown's interview with Michael Enright and they spoke about why the Margret Wente plagiarism story wasn't followed: Canada has an intensely small national media landscape. Even the woman in the anonymous story says that she wanted to leave on good terms so it didn't affect her career in the media where everyone knows everyone. Our national media is as much of a gossip factory as a small town.
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infernal machines posted:It's disturbing that despite the "oh yeah, he's got a reputation for that" open secret talk that's bubbling out now, Carla Ciccone was the only one to ever speak out about it. And even though she didn't directly name him she still got poo poo for the article and daring to impugn the reputation of Jian Ghomeshi. Well, that certainly makes this interview seem quite creepy: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=flA6A9TtvOo Apologies Cangoons for my lovely posting, we do get Q on WBEZ in Chicago and Jian was a good interviewer, on radio
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HookShot posted:There's also this She's clearly talking about Rex Murphy.
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