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Craptacular
Jul 11, 2004


Surprisingly, not one Gundam.

Linked for anime: http://i.imgur.com/cyJBioS.jpg

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StandardVC10
Feb 6, 2007

This avatar now 50% more dark mode compliant
Oh, wow, I had seen that helicopter before, but not alongside the cardboard cutout.

Shaocaholica
Oct 29, 2002

Fig. 5E

Yeah I went through that before asking as nothing(indigenous) on that page looks anything remotely 'modern'. Especially by Japanese modern standards which is like 10 years beyond American modern.

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

VikingSkull posted:

loving lol

every fighter pilot I've ever met was a self-absorbed douche that somehow overcomes that by also being hilarious, intelligent, and amazingly charming

it's awesome

Holy poo poo look how wrong you are. You're like one of those chicks who writes letters to convicts with cute mugshots.

Mazz
Dec 12, 2012

Orion, this is Sperglord Actual.
Come on home.

Shaocaholica posted:

Yeah I went through that before asking as nothing(indigenous) on that page looks anything remotely 'modern'. Especially by Japanese modern standards which is like 10 years beyond American modern.

As said before, they had no export market so they don't have much need outside a decent combat rifle. The 89 isn't that old really, seems to work well, and handles 5.56.

There's some info on that page about a modernized carbine version with rails or something too.

Polikarpov
Jun 1, 2013

Keep it between the buoys

Craptacular posted:

Surprisingly, not one Gundam.

Linked for anime: http://i.imgur.com/cyJBioS.jpg

On the other hand their Gepard clone is supposedly nicknamed the "Guntank"

Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe

Dead Reckoning posted:

Holy poo poo look how wrong you are. You're like one of those chicks who writes letters to convicts with cute mugshots.

where on your flight stick did the jock touch you

n0tqu1tesane
May 7, 2003

She was rubbing her ass all over my hands. They don't just do that for everyone.
Grimey Drawer

Cyrano4747 posted:

Speaking of Japanese guns aren't howa rifles a big thing in precision shooting circles ?

Also, Miroku made shotguns for Browning and rifles for Winchester.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miroku_Corp.

Force de Fappe
Nov 7, 2008

I own a 70s vintage Weatherby Patrician pump shotgun that was manufactured by Nikko. W'by also uses Japanese manufacture today for their "value" line of guns.

Never heard of pistols, though.

I guess Japan is one of a handful of countries in the world that haven't manufactured a CZ-75 copy :v:

Shaocaholica
Oct 29, 2002

Fig. 5E
I just want Japan to make space guns. Real space guns. Because they're so wacky it would be wacky cool space guns :colbert:

joat mon
Oct 15, 2009

I am the master of my lamp;
I am the captain of my tub.

Generation Internet posted:

God, that single engine looks really weird landing on a carrier to me for some reason. Are there any other single-engine carrier planes?


big

Wingnut Ninja
Jan 11, 2003

Mostly Harmless
Nice in-flight engagement.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
Well it lands front-gear first, so anything else would be...tricky.

Force de Fappe
Nov 7, 2008

The thought of steering a Dragon Lady onto a matchbox in the ocean makes my rear end in a top hat pucker up in a bad way. That's some serious flying.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
Came across a mildly amusing anecdote. In the early 90s at the beginning of Sino-Russian cooperation, the Chinese traded (among other things) 180,000 dog pelts for Su-27s. The dog populations of 3 provinces were decimated for the cause of national air defence.

http://www.chinasmack.com/2014/stories/china-killed-180k-dogs-to-trade-for-russian-su-27-fighter-jet.html
http://weibo.com/2615417307/BsygvwGAf#_rnd1415276730579

quote:

”Back when we were importing Su-27s, Russia was also having economic difficulties. They only wanted three things: One, flashlights; two, vacuum flasks; three, dog pelt coats. 10,000 dog pelt coats, that created a lot of pressure/difficulties for us. It takes 18 dog pelts to make one dog pelt coat. So that winter we killed all the dogs in the three provinces of Henan, Shandong, etc. in order to trade for Su-27s. So dogs in China had made significant contributions to China’s military and weapons modernization.”

Another reason Canada should have bought Sukhois over the F-35.

Mortabis
Jul 8, 2010

I am stupid
e: never mind, reading is fundamental!

Scratch Monkey
Oct 25, 2010

👰Proč bychom se netěšili🥰když nám Pán Bůh🙌🏻zdraví dá💪?

Throatwarbler posted:

Another reason Canada should have bought Sukhois over the F-35.

What's the beaver pelt to Flanker exchange rate?

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

Scratch Monkey posted:

What's the beaver pelt to Flanker exchange rate?

Pretty low. People tend to either want Flanker or beaver, not both.

what happened to him anyway? Or his brother for that matter? They've both effectively disappeared

Naramyth
Jan 22, 2009

Australia cares about cunts. Including this one.

Cyrano4747 posted:

Pretty low. People tend to either want Flanker or beaver, not both.

what happened to him anyway? Or his brother for that matter? They've both effectively disappeared

They are both alive and well doing Canadian things.

DJExile
Jun 28, 2007


Flanker is most likely taking a nap.

All the time.

simplefish
Mar 28, 2011

So long, and thanks for all the fish gallbladdΣrs!


of course henan

Force de Fappe
Nov 7, 2008

:staredog:

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"
All kidding aside, Russia's shooting its export business in the foot by giving the middle finger to NASA over rocket engines. As nice as it'd be for Canada to field Su-35s (I'm sure the Navy and Air Force would love to spar with them weekly), the 'savings' they'd get over buying F-35s would very likely be overshadowed by the cost of potentially having them all grounded by Putin deciding to withhold spare parts and/or support for them whenever Canada sides with the US against the Soviets Russians, or just for the hell of it as the sabre rattling gets louder over Arctic oil exploration/exploitation rights.

So while Russia certainly is *trying* to pull off the 'you can get two of ours for every one of theirs' thing, only their BFFs are actually buying or negotiating because everyone else knows the savings comes with more string tangling than a puppet show performed by blind kids.

BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 14:52 on Nov 7, 2014

Scratch Monkey
Oct 25, 2010

👰Proč bychom se netěšili🥰když nám Pán Bůh🙌🏻zdraví dá💪?

BIG HEADLINE posted:

whenever Canada sides with the US against the Soviets

:crossarms:

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

Ugh. Editing, even if it's kind of ideologically valid of late.

Mortabis
Jul 8, 2010

I am stupid
You would have to be high on crack to think Canada would ever even briefly contemplate buying Russian fighters.*

*Rob Ford is my pre-emptive defense if it turns out that Canada has briefly considered buying Russian fighters

Mortabis fucked around with this message at 14:57 on Nov 7, 2014

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler

It just costs too much to change all the letterheads and signs back.

DrAlexanderTobacco
Jun 11, 2012

Help me find my true dharma

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

Mortabis posted:

You would have to be high on crack to think Canada would ever even briefly contemplate buying Russian fighters.*

*Rob Ford is my pre-emptive defense if it turns out that Canada has briefly considered buying Russian fighters

Pretty sure the Keystone pipeline pre-won any 'contest' in favor of the F-35. As I said before, though - Canada's actually got the best reason of any potential F-35 customer to go with it simply due to ease of logistics. Japan and other overseas customers are at the mercy of how quickly a C-17 flies. Canada can just ask them to put the poo poo they need in a glorified U-Haul and any needed techs/support could conceivably hop on a L-M corporate jet and be back for dinner.

Mr Luxury Yacht
Apr 16, 2012


Honestly, I can see it shifting depending on how the election goes next year.

The Conservatives depend a lot on blowing Alberta and the oil industry. Not sure how big a priority Keystone would be under a Liberal or NDP (it won't be NDP) government.

.. Maybe Prime Minister Trudeau 2.0 won't care enough about Keystone to force us to by overpriced, underperforming Lockmart trash.

I can dream at least :saddowns:

Psion
Dec 13, 2002

eVeN I KnOw wHaT CoRnEr gAs iS
At this stage with this much money into it? I very much doubt it. The sunk cost fallacy is practically the definition of politics, after all :v:

Politics and MMOs.

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.
I don't even know why buying Russian planes is even being discussed as a remote possibility, let alone a good idea. It isn't like they haven't been colossal belligerent shitheads lately.

We've been piling sanctions on them and it's not like Trudeau would reverse course on that if the Russians keep threatening most of Eastern Europe.

It just seems like blind tech fetishism (which lets be frank, we have no idea if the pak-fa is actually even all that good). Why would we bother with Su-35s either when the super hornet is comparable, something we're familiar with, and about the same cost.

It would be the dumbest decision to go with Russian planes, granted DND and the govt have a long history of dumb decisions but dumb from a direction so far from the usual dumbness it would be impossible.

Kilonum
Sep 30, 2002

You know where you are? You're in the suburbs, baby. You're gonna drive.

Mr Luxury Yacht posted:

Honestly, I can see it shifting depending on how the election goes next year.

The Conservatives depend a lot on blowing Alberta and the oil industry. Not sure how big a priority Keystone would be under a Liberal or NDP (it won't be NDP) government.

.. Maybe Prime Minister Trudeau 2.0 won't care enough about Keystone to force us to by overpriced, underperforming Lockmart trash.

I can dream at least :saddowns:

Joke's on you, BQ will win the election.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

BIG HEADLINE posted:

As nice as it'd be for Canada to field Su-35s (I'm sure the Navy and Air Force would love to spar with them weekly), the 'savings' they'd get over buying F-35s would very likely be overshadowed by the cost of potentially having them all grounded by Putin deciding to withhold spare parts and/or support for them whenever Canada sides with the US against the Soviets Russians, or just for the hell of it as the sabre rattling gets louder over Arctic oil exploration/exploitation rights.

So while Russia certainly is *trying* to pull off the 'you can get two of ours for every one of theirs' thing, only their BFFs are actually buying or negotiating because everyone else knows the savings comes with more string tangling than a puppet show performed by blind kids.

There's also the fact that Russian jet engines tend to have a much shorter lifetime than American or European ones.

Arrath
Apr 14, 2011


Blistex posted:

It just costs too much to change all the letterheads and signs back.

Actually I was in Moscow last year and this really seems to be the case, but for buildings. Stars and hammers and sickles fuckin everywhere, mostly on building facades or iron work.

Mortabis
Jul 8, 2010

I am stupid
The Republicans can probably force Keystone XL through now, and they want it built whether or not Canada buys F-35s. It benefits both countries economically.

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.
Oh no Mark Ruffalo is gonna hulk out :ohdear:

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

Mortabis posted:

The Republicans can probably force Keystone XL through now, and they want it built whether or not Canada buys F-35s. It benefits both countries economically.

Not so much the US. If they could pick "helping the country right next to us sell oil for better prices on the international market" or "not helping then and getting that oil at a slightly lower price than standard" then the USA would pick #2.

I have no idea how this fits in with Republican politics. I imagine they are all for it, because some people on the other side were against it.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
It's a big dollar pork project that makes it look like they take defense seriously...are you kidding? Bob Dole doesn't need Viagra anymore, he blows his load glancing at F-35 pictures.

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Veritek83
Jul 7, 2008

The Irish can't drink. What you always have to remember with the Irish is they get mean. Virtually every Irish I've known gets mean when he drinks.

Godholio posted:

It's a big dollar pork project that makes it look like they take defense seriously...are you kidding? Bob Dole doesn't need Viagra anymore, he blows his load glancing at F-35 pictures.

Most legislators in either party are going to vote for procuring more of any given expensive plane/tank/boat, both as symbols of being strong on defense, but also because of the jobs/economic side. Being able to say "this vote for the F-35 program means XXX jobs that are staying right here in Bumfuck, USA" is a huge asset every other November. That's before you even start to look at the money- above-board campaign contributions or otherwise.

There's a vanishingly small number of elected officials on either side of the aisle who are both serious about defense reform and in a position to do something about it.

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