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Pervis posted:I must've read something more negative, in a comment somewhere attached to an article. Most of what I've found isn't substantial and doesn't indicate that we're backing down, just that the two sides agree we should try to avoid further friction and conflict over it. There's vague references, but only that so far: The WSJ article has slightly more detail: http://online.wsj.com/articles/u-s-china-ready-deals-to-avert-military-confrontations-1415721451 quote:Xi and Obama also reached two new agreements designed to avert military confrontations in Asia, one on notifying each other of major activities, such as military exercises, and the other on rules of behavior for encounters at sea and in the air. quote:The notification mechanism covers policy and strategy developments, and observation of military exercises and activities, while the rules of behavior include details on encounters between naval surface vessels, according to a White House statement. Which sounds like the Incsea agreements we had with the soviets.
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Fried Chicken posted:You and I need to swap social circles then, because I swear to god if I hear "tone argument" misused by one more "activist" who curiously never volunteers for anything I'm going to unhinge my jaw and swallow them whole. If you're talking about white people in leftist circles who attempt shut down anyone who disagrees with them, especially PoC or women by using social justice terms then yeah I hear you
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Trabisnikof posted:The WSJ article has slightly more detail: http://online.wsj.com/articles/u-s-china-ready-deals-to-avert-military-confrontations-1415721451
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ReindeerF posted:That actually makes a lot of sense. On that note, I wonder what the Chinese position is w/r/t the current Russian aggression that's going on. I don't mean just Ukraine, I mean expanding the area sorties fly, sending naval vessels out further, the sub incident with Sweden and so on. Putin is clearly adopting a very provocative posture and the Chinese tend to try to avoid that level of provocation against powerful countries, but they also need the energy. Must put Xi Jinping in quite a pickle. I think you know the answer to this.
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Nov 12, 2014 22:16
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Nov 12, 2014 22:20
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Fried Chicken posted:Just so I'm clear guys - we are taking all the fun parts of this thread like image edits, booze chat, discussing 2016, discussing regional issues, effort posts, and discussing congress control and shifting them over to their own threads, while leaving this one for Amergin trolling and feminism fights? If a D&D thread doesn't make you want to commit suicide, it's not doing its job.
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Nov 12, 2014 22:21
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Zeitgueist posted:If you're talking about white people in leftist circles who attempt shut down anyone who disagrees with them, especially PoC or women by using social justice terms then yeah I hear you Yep. Seems to be a lot of white guys (and to a lesser extent, white women) shutting down women and PoC when they try to make the argument that getting actively involved in organized movements is more effective than carping at each other to "raise awareness". "I agree with you but think this is a more effective messaging strategy" is the opposite of a tone argument because it accepts the point being made. And having that applied to when Rev Barber came for Moral Mondays was particularly infuriating. Though given that a goodly chunk of these people I met through vaguely leftist meet ups, it probably self selects for assholes.
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Nov 12, 2014 22:24
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Bring back the Republican Rebuilding thread. Name it: Republican Rebuilding December Thread: We Rebuilt That!
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Nov 12, 2014 22:28
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Fried Chicken posted:Which is a shame because we really do need a term for the tumblr-ites and the ones you mention. I've seen things about the meme-ification of social justice, and "postmodern rhetoric", how hugely complex bodies of thought with libraries worth of effort and consideration over hundreds of years are getting boiled down to a quick sound byte that ignores shitloads of history, academic thought, and understanding, and how that is a problem. The misappropriation of terms for political speech is as old as politics, but I would also say that the misappropriation of "microaggression" is different from Cruz's "Obamacare" usage, which is really more of a dog whistle (although only a tangentially racist one at this point).
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Nov 12, 2014 22:38
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So can we attach Jonathan Gruber to a rocket and blast him into space? Yes, no?
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Nov 12, 2014 22:49
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Fried Chicken posted:Yep. Seems to be a lot of white guys (and to a lesser extent, white women) shutting down women and PoC when they try to make the argument that getting actively involved in organized movements is more effective than carping at each other to "raise awareness". "I agree with you but think this is a more effective messaging strategy" is the opposite of a tone argument because it accepts the point being made. And having that applied to when Rev Barber came for Moral Mondays was particularly infuriating. There's a whole lot of folks who want to go to vaguely leftist meetups to feel important and exercise some sort of power as vocal white people, and it just reinforces existing power structures and that's for sure a huge problem, and I'm not really sure what the answers. You don't want to completely lose privileged folks if they're willing to help, but it's super hard to explain to someone they've acted in a privileged manner, especially if they're already aware of the terminology and think that by acknowledging the concept they're immune to it. Something you see even on this board. There's something to be said for messaging and social media activity, there's a place for that, but yeah if that's all someone wants to do and they want to be as heard as the people out doing direct action and networking with other groups and coalition building, they suck. That's slacktivism, tied in with all the privilege isssues.
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Amused to Death posted:So can we attach Jonathan Gruber to a rocket and blast him into space? Yes, no? Not with NASA funding as it is currently, and private industry examples of late raise questions as to whether we could get him into orbit or not.
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Nov 12, 2014 23:00
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Something Awful > Debate & Discussion: "What we need are more options. Nothing's going to change until there's a third party to challenge the two-headed snake!" Something Awful > Debate & Discussion: "gently caress you dumb retards voting 3rd party and costing center-right Democratic candidates elections!" If Ralph Nader or some Green Party nobody cost Al Gore or John Kerry votes, then that says more about Gore and Kerry than the people who actually took the time to conscientiously vote. I voted third party in 2000 and I lived in Florida. Know why? Because gently caress Joe Lieberman that's why, then and now. I still think it was the right choice and I'd do it again, especially given what Lieberman has done since then. Would I have preferred Gore won? Of course. He DID win. But he was a poo poo candidate who ran a poo poo campaign who chose a human piece of garbage that represents everything I oppose as a running mate. Then he distanced himself from an already center-right president who was very popular and pretty successful just to pander to the center and to avoid talking about sex and adultery.
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Nov 12, 2014 23:26
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Reminder: the reason Jonathan Gruber was consulting with the administration on PPACA is that he was the architect of Romneycare.
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Nov 12, 2014 23:27
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BiggerBoat posted:Something Awful > Debate & Discussion: "What we need are more options. Nothing's going to change until there's a third party to challenge the two-headed snake!" Yeah that's basically liberal boards everywhere. The system is unlikely to offer us anything besides two lovely parties with one less lovely than the other. It's also unlikely to change. People should work towards change but if you don't acknowledge it's a tough uphill battle from the beginning your'e going to burn out. Also if you do acknowledge that you're probably going to burn out.
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Nov 12, 2014 23:31
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Joementum posted:Reminder: the reason Jonathan Gruber was consulting with the administration on PPACA is that he was the architect of Romneycare. Oh so he's taking it down from the inside.
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Nov 12, 2014 23:32
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Joementum posted:The chairman of the Select Committee on Benghazi is already on the case. Even weirder is that I've heard Rush Limbaugh and Herman Cain, amongst others, call voters "stupid" and "low information" just over the last two days - and that's after they won an election supposedly affirming the intelligence of U.S. voters. E: McDowell posted:Remember when we preemptively invaded a sovereign country while the President disregarded opinion polls because he knew what was best? Public opinion polls overwhelmingly favored an Iraq invasion. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 23:36 on Nov 12, 2014 |
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Nov 12, 2014 23:32
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So the SCOTUS just lifted the stay on same sex marriage in Kansas Also, there are reports of an earthquake coming in from Wichita
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Fried Chicken posted:So the SCOTUS just lifted the stay on same sex marriage in Kansas Service is gonna be fun this Sunday huh
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Nov 12, 2014 23:42
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Ted Cruz is not the only never-getting-nominated Presidential candidate with some thoughts on the series of tubes. Warning: don't try to think too hard about how net neutrality is at all like the fairness doctrine. Donald didn't.
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Joementum posted:Ted Cruz is not the only never-getting-nominated Presidential candidate with some thoughts on the series of tubes.
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Joementum posted:Ted Cruz is not the only never-getting-nominated Presidential candidate with some thoughts on the series of tubes. I dunno how Trump can be a never-getting-nominated POTUS candidate if he's never going to actually pull the trigger on running.
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Nov 12, 2014 23:48
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Joementum posted:Ted Cruz is not the only never-getting-nominated Presidential candidate with some thoughts on the series of tubes. To be fair his head is at least 60% toupee at this point.
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Joementum posted:Ted Cruz is not the only never-getting-nominated Presidential candidate with some thoughts on the series of tubes. The Fairness Doctrine "punished" those who were least fair, just like net neutrality would (if we ever get it, which we won't)
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Joementum posted:Ted Cruz is not the only never-getting-nominated Presidential candidate with some thoughts on the series of tubes. Current paranoid conspiracy theory: Obama coming out for net neutrality is a play by him to get legislation passed against it.
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Fried Chicken posted:a third Gruber's video has been found My own Senator, Angus King, appeared on Fox & Friends in their attempt to solidify this narrative. King was having none of their attempts to shift the narrative against the ACA, and even got a bit salty about it. My senator 
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BiggerBoat posted:If Ralph Nader or some Green Party nobody cost Al Gore or John Kerry votes, then that says more about Gore and Kerry than the people who actually took the time to conscientiously vote. I voted third party in 2000 and I lived in Florida. Know why? Because gently caress Joe Lieberman that's why, then and now. I still think it was the right choice and I'd do it again, especially given what Lieberman has done since then.
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BiggerBoat posted:Something Awful > Debate & Discussion: "What we need are more options. Nothing's going to change until there's a third party to challenge the two-headed snake!" You really think that Al Gore/Joe Lieberman would have been a worse president or VP than Bush and Cheney? Could you explain some more? In your position, I would feel really guilty, and I don't fully get where you're coming from. William Bear fucked around with this message at 00:48 on Nov 13, 2014 |
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William Bear posted:You really think that Al Gore/Joe Lieberman would have been a worse president or VP than Bush and Cheney? Could ypu explain some more? In your position, I would feel really guilty, and I don't fully get where you're coming from. VP would probably be a better place for Lieberman in all honesty unless you think he subscribes to the "LBJ killed Kennedy" theory.
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BiggerBoat posted:I voted third party in 2000 and I lived in Florida. Know why? Because gently caress Joe Lieberman that's why, then and now. I still think it was the right choice and I'd do it again, especially given what Lieberman has done since then. Millions of people died and will die because of this. Thanks Hitler.
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Bonus quote of the day, "I think you have to earn your way into politics. I don't think anything is ever given to you." ~ George W. Bush.
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Zeitgueist posted:Nah, it's been applied to anyone who gave a poo poo about bigotry for years, but the refrain was always "we just mean the really out there people on tumblr(which you are basically for telling me that MRA's are misogynists)" It must've been niche? First use I saw was as a self-applied moniker to crazy shitheads from deep within the bowels of Tumblr.
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I remember the first time I saw the term was by generally progressive people to describe otherkin and transethnic kooks (no, don't tell me how many subcultures I'm missing in this post) on Tumblr in the ancient mock threads. Now, it seems to be used to smear anyone to the left of Allen West.
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Joementum posted:Ted Cruz is not the only never-getting-nominated Presidential candidate with some thoughts on the series of tubes. Donald doesn't actually care about becoming president though, he's like Palin in that any such activity is solely to bilk more money out of idiots.
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Nov 13, 2014 01:05
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Accretionist posted:It must've been niche? First use I saw was as a self-applied moniker to crazy shitheads from deep within the bowels of Tumblr. Not for years that I've seen. Jerry Manderbilt posted:Now, it seems to be used to smear anyone to the left of Allen West. That too.
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So looks like net neutrality is completely hosed. Where are all the people who said we had nothing to worry about cause this Wheeler dude wasn't a lobbyist?
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In news that doesn't make me want to kill myself:quote:The federal government is about to put $100 million behind a simple idea: doubling the value of SNAP benefits — what used to be called food stamps — when people use them to buy local fruits and vegetables. Nice!
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