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Toxxupation posted:it's almost like i wrote 60 doctor who reviews or somethin Yeah it's okay, we'll forgive you these mistakes while you're still so new and fresh to this 
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I remember someone commenting when the episode aired, "RTD seems to be going out with not a bang or a whimper, but with the most stupid and insane audacious piss-take imaginable." Having rewatched this two-parter recently I still think it's a fair comment.
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Nov 27, 2014 02:32
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I remember a very specific set of scenes fondly, and apparently have erased all of the rest of it from my mind. After looking some clips on Youtube up... I understand how that would happen.
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Nov 27, 2014 02:45
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Toxxupation posted:it's almost like i wrote 60 doctor who reviews or somethin What kind of rear end in a top hat would do something that stupid?
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Nov 27, 2014 03:05
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I rewatched these episodes in anticipation for this. It was the strangest experience. They were, at the same time, so much better and yet so much worse than I remembered. I had forgotten some great parts, and some God awful.
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Nov 27, 2014 03:14
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thrawn527 posted:I rewatched these episodes in anticipation for this. It was the strangest experience. They were, at the same time, so much better and yet so much worse than I remembered. I had forgotten some great parts, and some God awful. Yeah, I did the same thing and it was like shellshock.
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Nov 27, 2014 03:20
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This entire episode came from RTD thinking "heh heh what if instead of 'the master race' I did... 'the Master race'" and then  ing at himself in a mirror. Nothing will convince me otherwise
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Nov 27, 2014 03:37
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jng2058 posted:I have a suspicion that my time on top of the leaderboard is going to be brief. I was equal first at one point, now look at me. 
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Nov 27, 2014 03:45
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This episode (part one) is slightly embarrassing for everybody. But has it's moments (Wilf). But the rest of it. I haven't seen it separately from part 2 since it first aired. So I guess I'll be quiet.
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Nov 27, 2014 03:45
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Toxxupation posted:oh, so this is how rtd means to end his run on doctor who. well, that's...just... Oh, we're in for a ride. 
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Nov 27, 2014 05:48
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"GOOD NEWS, BRITAIN - PRESIDENT OBAMA'S GONNA END THE RECESSION! IT'S A CHRISTMAS MIRACLE!" 
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Nov 27, 2014 07:13
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Tiggum posted:Why would it be able to discern at all? How could intentions ever make a difference? If I want to break an egg so I drop it on the floor, it falls and breaks. If I'm carrying an egg and accidentally drop it, it falls on the floor and breaks. The universe doesn't care what I wanted. This is something that as far as I know is only mentioned in an audio and then never contradicted by the show, so it's debatable how canon it is (and I don't think it's a spoiler either?), but there is at least one explanation for how the universe works in Doctor Who that makes all of the time travel stuff makes perfect sense: the founder of Time Lord society made time travel possible using technology which changed the very nature of the universe to create fixed points in time. Those fixed points then get used to create coordinates for being able to travel in time. Part of the nature of fixed points is that they're pretty resilient and usually the web of time (the artificial construct in question) will fix itself unless something big happens. Since Time Lords are psychic and can make psychic technology (like the paper) there's no reason why they couldn't take intention into account. It also explains any weird glitches like in Father's Day when someone does genuinely mess with one.
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Nov 27, 2014 07:35
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Organza Quiz posted:This is something that as far as I know is only mentioned in an audio and then never contradicted by the show, so it's debatable how canon it is (and I don't think it's a spoiler either?), but there is at least one explanation for how the universe works in Doctor Who that makes all of the time travel stuff makes perfect sense: the founder of Time Lord society made time travel possible using technology which changed the very nature of the universe to create fixed points in time. Those fixed points then get used to create coordinates for being able to travel in time. Part of the nature of fixed points is that they're pretty resilient and usually the web of time (the artificial construct in question) will fix itself unless something big happens. Since Time Lords are psychic and can make psychic technology (like the paper) there's no reason why they couldn't take intention into account. It also explains any weird glitches like in Father's Day when someone does genuinely mess with one. Haven't they implied that the web's fallen away? The Doctor's said that back in the old days, before the Time Lords were gone, paradoxes like Father's Day weren't as much of a big dangerous deal, relatively easy to fix, and it was simple to hop between parallel universes, all because the Time Lords were structuring Time. And nowadays that's all gone and it's this weird mush of fixed points and uncertainty and difficulty.
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Nov 27, 2014 07:46
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Hewlett posted:"GOOD NEWS, BRITAIN - PRESIDENT OBAMA'S GONNA END THE RECESSION! IT'S A CHRISTMAS MIRACLE!" All the members of Obama's administration begged him to tell them what his plan was, but no he insisted, only he could be allowed to know till the time came for his live announcement. "At least write it down!" one pleaded, but Obama was not to be convinced, insisting everybody would know soon enough.
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Nov 27, 2014 07:49
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Jerusalem posted:All the members of Obama's administration begged him to tell them what his plan was, but no he insisted, only he could be allowed to know till the time came for his live announcement. "At least write it down!" one pleaded, but Obama was not to be convinced, insisting everybody would know soon enough. Not to mention....so, do they think Obama's gonna end THEIR recession? Why's everyone so personally excited about it? What do you mean, "some financial scheme"?
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Nov 27, 2014 08:48
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Hewlett posted:Not to mention....so, do they think Obama's gonna end THEIR recession? Why's everyone so personally excited about it? What do you mean, "some financial scheme"? "Let me assure you that this is not one of those shady pyramid schemes you've been hearing about. No sir. Our model is the trapezoid!"
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Nov 27, 2014 11:28
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Oh, so his plan was bitcoin.
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Nov 27, 2014 11:49
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Dabir posted:Oh, so his plan was bitcoin. Knowing Doctor Who it would probably turn out that The Master created Bitcoin.
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Nov 27, 2014 15:16
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I'm not sure why they suddenly decided to use a real politician, especially when their lookalike wasn't convincing even from the back
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Nov 27, 2014 15:24
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Irony Be My Shield posted:I'm not sure why they suddenly decided to use a real politician, especially when their lookalike wasn't convincing even from the back Oh geeze. I completely forgot that this even happened, I thought all the Obama talk was just one of this thread's weird diversions.
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Nov 27, 2014 17:12
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The episode was filmed around Spring 2009. Everyone was hopey and changey back then.
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Nov 27, 2014 17:31
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Captain Fargle posted:Knowing Doctor Who it would probably turn out that The Master created Bitcoin. I am going to go with this as the explanation for it from now on.
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Nov 27, 2014 18:54
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Bicyclops posted:I am going to go with this as the explanation for it from now on. "IT WAS THE MASTARR!"
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Nov 27, 2014 19:47
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Irony Be My Shield posted:We already know you can gently caress with fixed points in time, it's just a bad idea (Father's Day). My understanding is that Father's Day proves that the Doctor can not gently caress around with his own history. Like, he has to be careful around other regenerations of himself and not change his own timeline. Father's Day was a problem of enabling this change right in front of The Doctor. Rose saves Dad right in front of herself and Ninth who were standing there on their first, failed attempt. Without the failed attempt, there's no reason for them to attempt a second as they're doing right now, and things get all twisty. Without any spoiler details, the most recently aired TV episodes had a similar line thrown put there. "If I go back and change that, you will never have had a reason to bring me here."
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Craptacular! posted:My understanding is that Father's Day proves that the Doctor can not gently caress around with his own history. Like, he has to be careful around other regenerations of himself and not change his own timeline. Your "understanding" is wrong and it's pointless trying to generate hard and fast rules for something where no hard and fast rules exist.
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Nov 27, 2014 20:26
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MrL_JaKiri posted:no hard and fast rules exist. Yeah, Doctor Who is full of contradictory or outright bizarre "rules" for Time Travel that change constantly based on whatever the requirements of the plot or the whims of the particular writer at the time require. If you MUST have a hard and fast rule for how time travel/paradoxes/cause-and-effect works in the show, I think it's best to go with,"This poo poo is insanely complicated and the only one who really understands it is the Doctor, because he's a Time Lord."
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So I've mentioned offhandedly that my siblings are huge doctor who fans I'm at my parents' place for thanksgiving and decided to talk to my teenage brother about doctor who, because, well, i don't care if i live or die things i have learned: 1) he has no idea what a showrunner is and has never heard of RTD (this despite having seen all of the who revival) 2) his favorite companion of the ones i have seen is rose, he like a certain future companion more 3) his favorite episode is the one titled "a christmas carol" 4) he doesn't really hate any episode of the who revival 5) he really enjoys giving me poo poo for watching a show i used to mock him endlessly for watching i think it's honestly really fascinating, the physical reminder that this is a show for children and also jesus christ what am i doing with my life, what are any of you people doing with your lives, oh my god oh no
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Soothing Vapors posted:This entire episode came from RTD thinking "heh heh what if instead of 'the master race' I did... 'the Master race'" and then I just rewatched the episode for the review and you couldn't be more right. I also thought this episode ended like halfway into the next one apparently? I thought a lot more stuff happened before the breakoff, but I've never rewatched any episode of Doctor Who before this thread so what do I know?
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Toxxupation posted:So I've mentioned offhandedly that my siblings are huge doctor who fans Yeah this is about the right time to sink to that level
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Nov 27, 2014 22:42
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End of Time Part 1 really does feel like perhaps the worst example of RTD putting together a rough draft of an episode and then.... just not doing anything further with it. Just a rough series of sketched out scenes, a fishbone of ideas that basically looks like "Doctor learns about threat to Earth <stuff happens> cafe scene <stuff happens> THE MASTER RACE!" and then on day one of shooting that was still the script they used.
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Nov 27, 2014 22:56
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What happened to that youtube video of "How The End of Time was written"?
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Nov 27, 2014 23:03
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So was Mr. 'I want to make my daughter immortal' a parody of an existing celebrity or something in England, because otherwise he was like the most transparent plot device 'villian' ever.
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Nov 27, 2014 23:03
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This episode really does feel like RTD just pulled a George Lucas and filmed a first draft he just farted out over a rainy weekend and no one questioned him or said that it made no sense at all or was a stupid incoherent mess.
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Nov 27, 2014 23:15
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While I agree with everything said above and more, I could watch a crowd of John Simm Masters applauding all day.
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Nov 27, 2014 23:28
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It's not a first draft, Davis had to remove a scene where the Master picks up a gay guy, takes him into a public toilet, and kills him. So it's at least a second draft.
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Nov 27, 2014 23:33
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PriorMarcus posted:It's not a first draft, Davis had to remove a scene where the Master picks up a gay guy, takes him into a public toilet, and kills him. So it's at least a second draft. You're not serious.
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Nov 27, 2014 23:46
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Oxxidation posted:You're not serious. Please guys, no spoilers.
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Nov 27, 2014 23:47
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Oxxidation posted:You're not serious. Have we some things to tell you
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Oxxidation posted:You're not serious. I am. I can't remember if he was asked to remove it or if he removed it himself on second thought. It was meant to happen during the montage of him stealing wallets, etc.
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PriorMarcus posted:It's not a first draft, Davis had to remove a scene where the Master picks up a gay guy, takes him into a public toilet, and kills him. Lol forever
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