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Cnut the Great posted:Attack of the Clones is actually quite interesting because of the hatred inspired by its love story, which takes on a completely different dimension when compared directly with Empire's. To wit: You clearly haven't watched Red Letter Media's review.
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unlimited shrimp posted:spergpost: And it's not even so much that poo poo is stagnant and primitive as it is the rebel alliance having to use old beat-up crap that barely works. Any time you see Imperial stuff it's all brand new and shiny, even in the OT.
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Nov 29, 2014 05:00
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Vaall posted:They were clones of the Bounty Hunter too. So the black stormtrooper doesn't make sense. Clones were thrown out by the empire because its dumb poo poo. Thats why they called them the clone wars and not just.. war.
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Nov 29, 2014 05:01
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I could give a poo poo about how goofy the new lightsaber looks. But, as mentioned earlier, lightsabers were made to look like samurai swords so if they needed to do something visually to put us more in the headspace of something medieval then all the power to them.
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Nov 29, 2014 05:01
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unlimited shrimp posted:spergpost: At least for the OT, that can be hand waved away with you not actually seeing luxury tech in the films. It's either utilitarian military stuff like the Star Destroyers or it's hand me downs from poor planets and a struggling rebellion.
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Nov 29, 2014 05:02
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Spaceman Future! posted:Oh poo poo thats right. I bet he got the rectangle one as a gently caress you to Han. I mean he did raid his wardrobe in Empire, dude obviously has some spite issues. Also I remember the EU saying that the old one was capital ship grade equipment and thus hella illegal for Han to have and probably real hard to replace.
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Nov 29, 2014 05:03
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Ash1138 posted:I'd think that a lower-profile sensor dish would be a good idea when the last one was knocked off because it was just a bit too tall. The EU will overexplain anything, I'd just take it as a "because they did" and potentially as a call-back to ROTJ.
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Nov 29, 2014 05:06
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This is why I find it so easy to let go of the EU. I read a few books here and there, but NEVER did I take it as canon to begin with. Just let it go spergs, let it loving go.
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Nov 29, 2014 05:06
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Ash1138 posted:I'd think that a lower-profile sensor dish would be a good idea when the last one was knocked off because it was just a bit too tall. Dude was the hero of the newly crowned rebellion government and was sleeping with royalty, I doubt that scarcity or legality would have been an issue. But its not a big deal anyway, just was not expecting the cardinal starship of the series to be altered though I have no clue why it wouldn't be. The Enterprise got the shiny new treatment, why not the Falcon.
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Nov 29, 2014 05:07
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I wanna see the 3-blade Sith approach Luke who has been meditating alone for decades, and Luke just force lifts 8 saber hilts and duels the guy remotely by levitating them in a saber swarm with his hands folded.
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Nov 29, 2014 05:08
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I hope the scene we see is really Chewie and Leia's kid taking the Falcon for a joyride and crashing it to bitter old man Han's house and then Han just collapses and weeps when seeing the kid as a constant reminder of a failure he's been since the war.
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Nov 29, 2014 05:09
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Darko posted:Empire assumes that Han and Leia had already crossed the flirtation boundary for some time, because the movie starts with them having already been hanging around together for some time and remarks by Han about her not admitting that what they have is more than just a military relationship. It pretty much opens with Han bantering with her about that, with things we can fill in with our own mind happenign before that. See, this is why I find this all so interesting. You just argued that it was okay for Han Solo to sexually harass Leia, because she was obviously into it, even though to all outward appearances she was not. And it was okay that he ignored her when she said "no", because they were flirting earlier and that constitutes implied consent. I mean, I know I'm being borderline trollish here, but come on. The correct response would have been: "Calm down, you sperg, it's a movie not real life," not a sincere defense of PUA logic. Yet, somehow, the power of Han Solo compelled you. But it's good that you've correctly identified Padme's behavior as being creepy. It is. Padme willingly and knowingly entered into a relationship with a boy who saw her as a replacement for his dead mother. In fact, the reason she was drawn to Anakin despite his troubling behavior and abrasive personality was because she still saw him as the little boy from Episode I, and she wanted to take care of him, like a mother. (That's why that line about him still being a little kid to her was in the movie--there are reasons for these things.) It's odd that so many people came away from the film thinking Anakin was a creep, when in the end he was the one being taken advantage of by an older, more mature, and more experienced woman. TheMaestroso posted:From what I remember (it's been quite a few years), both Anakin and Padme used that uselessly flowery language in their "romance" scenes, and it was always awkward. This was made more awkward by their complete lack of any chemistry in both movies together. Contrast this with Han and Leia who actually had a dynamic, playing off of each other with half-hearted insults rather than essentially reading bad poetry to each other. The fact that Anakin was the center of a shoe-horned prophecy made his whiny attitude incredibly grating as opposed to Han's snarky charisma. Unless opinions wildly differ from mine on what constitutes "flowery language", it's really only Anakin.
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Nov 29, 2014 05:10
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Electromax posted:I wanna see the 3-blade Sith approach Luke who has been meditating alone for decades, and Luke just force lifts 8 saber hilts and duels the guy remotely by levitating them in a saber swarm with his hands folded. you missed your chance to be a famous EU author
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Nov 29, 2014 05:11
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Gatts posted:I hope the scene we see is really Chewie and Leia's kid taking the Falcon for a joyride and crashing it to bitter old man Han's house and then Han just collapses and weeps when seeing the kid as a constant reminder of a failure he's been since the war. And for some reason there's Beastie Boys playing.
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computer parts posted:And for some reason there's Beastie Boys playing. That too.
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Nov 29, 2014 05:12
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Dystram posted:Not all stormtroopers are clones troopers, hence not all stormtroopers look the same. Yeah, I thought the clones mostly died by the time of A New Hope and most stormtroopers were conscripts or volunteers.
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Nov 29, 2014 05:12
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computer parts posted:And for some reason there's Beastie Boys playing. drat, I wish. If there was a scene set to "Sabotage" of Oscar Isaac joyriding the Millennium Falcon you could basically put it down as my favourite movie ever.
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Nov 29, 2014 05:13
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Dantu posted:Yeah, I thought the clones mostly died by the time of A New Hope and most stormtroopers were conscripts or volunteers. In Rebels, this is the case.
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Nov 29, 2014 05:14
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Who says Boyega is playing a trooper, and not in disguise or whatever?
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Nov 29, 2014 05:14
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Mazreal posted:you missed your chance to be a famous EU author The old EU was wiped out, someone will have to make the new one! In my book the spirit of Count Doku is haunting Han Solo's long lost younger sister, who is totally hot and has a collection of 45 lightsabers. Eventually she loses her mind and blows up a planet with the Smeth Dar, a solar system sized starship she found floating in the far reaches of Doom space after traveling faster than 32 parsecs per nanosecond.
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Nov 29, 2014 05:15
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In my E.U. book I think I'll tell the story of an out of work Jedi who has failed as an actor and is forced to go into porn and his first role is to rock the world of a Jabba-like alien of questionable gender and is a Sith. The movie will eventually star Seth Rogan and James Franco.
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Nov 29, 2014 05:17
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quote:See, this is why I find this all so interesting. You just argued that it was okay for Han Solo to sexually harass Leia, because she was obviously into it, even though to all outward appearances she was not. And it was okay that he ignored her when she said "no", because they were flirting earlier and that constitutes implied consent. I mean, I know I'm being borderline trollish here, but come on. The correct response would have been: "Calm down, you sperg, it's a movie not real life," not a sincere defense of PUA logic. Yet, somehow, the power of Han Solo compelled you. You've never hate-flirted with someone? edit: or fake-chased someone who actually was into you? I mean, it's basically stuff most people grow out of at least by their thirties, but Han and Leia were supposed to be in their young twenties, I guess, so it wasn't out of place really.
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Nov 29, 2014 05:19
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Mazreal posted:you missed your chance to be a famous EU author That door is gonna be WIDE open January 2016 Electromax fucked around with this message at 05:24 on Nov 29, 2014 |
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Nov 29, 2014 05:19
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Rinkles posted:Who says Boyega is playing a trooper, and not in disguise or whatever? Good point. Though myself I kind of hope that he actually is a storm trooper. Storm troopers aren't clones, gently caress off. Episode II is bad for a whole host of reasons besides the love story, the love story in episode II is bad because its not believable or engaging because of lack of chemistry and bad dialogue and performances, which I would chalk mostly up to script and direction. It might also be kind of creepy because of the whole "replacement for dead mother", and stupid reasons for not being allowed to love, but really before all that enters the picture it is simply put poorly executed, conceived and performed and that's why it fails.
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Nov 29, 2014 05:21
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Darko posted:You've never hate-flirted with someone? Kids these days and new norms in terms of dating, relationships, etc. Han was a misogynistic, MRA PUA rapist. Luke was classic "nice guy." VV All the lightsaber is, is the most retardedly designed piece of crap around that is just good for accidentally maiming someone or screwing up and destroying a bulkhead if it slips out your hand and getting sucked into space. Gatts fucked around with this message at 05:26 on Nov 29, 2014 |
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Nov 29, 2014 05:23
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mr.capps posted:The new lightsaber is great, it really amps up the idea that these things are suppose to be only used by these very specialized warriors and if a normal guy handles one they are probably going to kill themself. Huh, that exact argument comes to my mind as a reason why the new lightsaber is terrible. I feel like it goes against that idea; the standard lightsaber has no form of hand-guard because you've just got to be That Good to use it, and it's not going to be of any use anyway against an opponent who's also good enough to use one. The original plasma-on-a-stick lightsaber gives the impression that it's something potentially as deadly to the wielder as to the enemy, and you've got to put your rear end on the line to use it. The more geegaws you stick on it, the more it detracts from that bare-bones, deadly impression. Also it just looks loving stupid.
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Ave Azaria posted:Makes me kind of sad that George isn't really involved in this (is he?) I don't think JJ or Kasdan are as bursting with creative ideas as he was and still is, lovely as his execution became. While the execution of the prequels was really poo poo, if you took the basic plot points as bullet points they're not bad. They're actually pretty good and make a lot of sense. *Obi-Wan finds Anakin, decides to train him *Palpatine is the secret puppet master of the Clone Wars *Palpy lues Anakin to the dark side *So on and so on... The prequels are like, 50% lovely loving ideas, 50% really cool ideas. George Lucas is good at just coming up with poo poo and flinging it at the wall. He just needs a filter sometimes to be like "no George, that's a terrible idea" on occasion.
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Gatts posted:Kids these days and new norms in terms of dating, relationships, etc. Han was a misogynistic, MRA PUA rapist. Luke was classic "nice guy." Han was a natural alpha male, he didn't need to read books and poo poo. He may have driven Luke to become an MRA PUA guy though, that could be what Episode VII is. E: In fact Obi Wan uses PUA tricks on Stormtroopers. Jedi's are PUAs. Bulky Bartokomous fucked around with this message at 05:33 on Nov 29, 2014 |
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Nov 29, 2014 05:29
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Gammatron 64 posted:While the execution of the prequels was really poo poo, if you took the basic plot points as bullet points they're not bad. They're actually pretty good and make a lot of sense.
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Gammatron 64 posted:While the execution of the prequels was really poo poo, if you took the basic plot points as bullet points they're not bad. They're actually pretty good and make a lot of sense. Exactly. Which is why I'm worried the new movie will be well executed but mostly unoriginal, which is what the Trek movies were.
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Gammatron 64 posted:While the execution of the prequels was really poo poo, if you took the basic plot points as bullet points they're not bad. They're actually pretty good and make a lot of sense. Cool? They were non-sensical. I mean, emperor secretly commissions an army to fight himself using the name of a dead Jedi but wiped the record of the order and erases the planet said army is on from the star maps making it completely coincidental that this central pin to his plan to seize favor was even found in the first place. Meanwhile he has already started the secret construction of a death star to terrorize order into his eventual Empire. I mean, that's contradictory as gently caress, why would you expend all that effort making an army to fight a manufactured external threat and rely on factors beyond your control in the senate if your eventual plan was martial law anyway? Just use your army and the trade army to seize power. The entire contrivance is dumb and bad. Oh and the Jedi counci's mountain of dumb and awful contradictory actions, don't get me started there. Yoda becomes the stupidest creature in the known universe intentional or not and its stupid beyond belief.
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Nov 29, 2014 05:33
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So the jagged, flame-like effect of this lightsaber is pretty interesting. If the crossbars make it look like a European longsword in order to give it a medieval edge, the texture of the blade resembles nothing so much as rust on a real sword, which would reinforce the idea that this guy represents some ancient villainy that's lain undisturbed for a while and only just... awoken.
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Nov 29, 2014 05:34
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Ave Azaria posted:Exactly. Which is why I'm worried the new movie will be well executed but mostly unoriginal, which is what the Trek movies were. A legitimate concern. It should be remembered though that those movies had a different writing staff from this one, JJ Abrams directed the Star Trek films, that doesen't mean he personally took charge of the whole thing, and its the same thing with the new Star Wars, though I think he's involved also as a co-writer for this one (which he wasn't as regards the Star Trek films). Randarkman fucked around with this message at 05:40 on Nov 29, 2014 |
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Nov 29, 2014 05:35
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Gammatron 64 posted:While the execution of the prequels was really poo poo, if you took the basic plot points as bullet points they're not bad. They're actually pretty good and make a lot of sense. Star Wars is great with Lucas barely touching it. See Clone Wars and Rebels. The only crappy episodes in there you find out had a heavy influence from Lucas.
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Nov 29, 2014 05:38
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Randarkman posted:A legitimate concern. It should be remembered though that those movies had a different writing staff from this one, JJ Abrams directed the Star Trek films, that doesen't mean he personally took charge of the whole thing, and its the same thing with the new Star Wars, though I think he's involved also as a co-writer for this one (which he wasn't as regards the Star Trek films). We have every indication that he harms more than helps though. With Star Trek he was forced to work with the script on hand because of the writers strike. Once he had free reign to make changes happen in the second move everything went to poo poo. Not bitching specifically, I think he has more of a Star Wars sensibility than a Star Trek sensibility, anyone who doubts that can just go watch the Kelvin getting blown up and come back, but I hope he has very limited control over the writing staff.
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Anyway in my opinion, after the disaster that was the prequels, now is the perfect time to play it safe as far as story and that stuff goes. People simply want a Star Wars movie that's fun and doesn't suck balls, making that should be priority number one.
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Nov 29, 2014 05:40
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PaganGoatPants posted:Star Wars is great with Lucas barely touching it. See Clone Wars and Rebels. The only crappy episodes in there you find out had a heavy influence from Lucas. So basically what you are saying is put Genny in charge.
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Nov 29, 2014 05:41
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Bongo Bill posted:So the jagged, flame-like effect of this lightsaber is pretty interesting. If the crossbars make it look like a European longsword in order to give it a medieval edge, the texture of the blade resembles nothing so much as rust on a real sword, which would reinforce the idea that this guy represents some ancient villainy that's lain undisturbed for a while and only just... awoken. My initial impression is that looks primitive, either old or made by someone who didn't know what they were doing. The way it seems to just be spewing plasma out instead of being the traditional bar of light could be a choice or it could be the new normal.
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Nov 29, 2014 05:41
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Honestly I felt the biggest problem with the Trek movies was with their writing, not the direction. Star Trek '09 was decent, Into Darkness was pretty bad. Thankfully Bob Orci and Alex Kurtzman are nowhere near this picture.
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Fun space adventures and fun dinosaur adventures both coming out next year  Its good to be alive man.
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