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Shanakin
Mar 26, 2010

The whole point of stats are lost if you keep it a secret. Why Didn't you tell the world eh?
new maps etc should help a lot if they do indeed come. That being said it's kind of hard to judge the longevity of Red Dragon. If there isn't a large player migration I could see it going a while, but the community is a lot more... toxic than it was during the earlier games and I think that will negatively impact its mutliplayer life.

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Hazamuth
May 9, 2007

the original bugsy

They could always make a F2P -Wargame with random unit drops, abysmal balance and a slow grindy player progression from Cat C to Cat A where new accounts start with mixed Cat C -deck. :getin:

reagan
Apr 29, 2008

by Lowtax

Shanakin posted:

Just be aware that the multiplayer focused balance patches for EE had a detrimental effect on the balance of the campaigns, although the last one is apparently still good. EE's campaigns remind me of classic RTS campaigns like age of empires etc where you start off with given units and a set piece battle and maybe have some interesting and unique objectives beyond just kill lots of stuff.

The campaign in ALB is more like a total war game style game where you move armies around and battle on the map but it's kind of small in scope and a little awkward. There's no real storyline or narative to it.

Red Dragon basically takes the ALB formula, and refines it, re-injects some narative and calls it a day.

I'f probably say EE had the best campaign, but the balance issues put it about par with Red Dragon. ALB having the least interesting campaign but it was still okay. One credit to ALB was it allowed for multiplayer adversarial campaigns.

I didn't play EE until this past August, but it was still a good experience. I regret purchasing ALB and RD, though. Online isn't my thing to begin with, and the community of these games is awful.

Mr Luxury Yacht
Apr 16, 2012


At least with RD I find that Skirmish mode goes a lot farther since:

1. The AI is still a cheater, but not nearly as bad as ALB.
2. You can assign it whatever decks you want to make some fun matchups.

Polyakov
Mar 22, 2012


Mr Luxury Yacht posted:

At least with RD I find that Skirmish mode goes a lot farther since:

1. The AI is still a cheater, but not nearly as bad as ALB.
2. You can assign it whatever decks you want to make some fun matchups.

Have they changed around the skirmish mode AI since release? Because when i played that the AI was such a vast cheater it was hilarious, it was calling in so many units it was getting traffic jammed around its call in point, it got to the point where it was almost unwinnable because you were just sitting there against an innumerable horde of enemies that you couldnt bring in ammo fast enough to kill them all,

Mr Luxury Yacht
Apr 16, 2012


Polyakov posted:

Have they changed around the skirmish mode AI since release? Because when i played that the AI was such a vast cheater it was hilarious, it was calling in so many units it was getting traffic jammed around its call in point, it got to the point where it was almost unwinnable because you were just sitting there against an innumerable horde of enemies that you couldnt bring in ammo fast enough to kill them all,

Well it at least doesn't constantly psychically snipe your CVs like the ALB AI did, so that's a bit of an improvement.

Maybe its just me, but I find the Conquest mode AI cheats a fair bit more than the Destruction one. Whatever income boost the AI gets seems magnified in CQ.

Switching to Destruction mode for skirmish has reduced my AI frustrations and increased my fun. They still don't build ships on non dedicated naval maps through :(

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

Hazamuth posted:

They could always make a F2P -Wargame with random unit drops, abysmal balance and a slow grindy player progression from Cat C to Cat A where new accounts start with mixed Cat C -deck. :getin:

Would unironically play this. In fact I bet this would be phenomenally profitable,

Tulip
Jun 3, 2008

yeah thats pretty good


Mr Luxury Yacht posted:

Well it at least doesn't constantly psychically snipe your CVs like the ALB AI did, so that's a bit of an improvement.

Maybe its just me, but I find the Conquest mode AI cheats a fair bit more than the Destruction one. Whatever income boost the AI gets seems magnified in CQ.

Switching to Destruction mode for skirmish has reduced my AI frustrations and increased my fun. They still don't build ships on non dedicated naval maps through :(

I still have yet to get my CV sniped by an AI in ALB, but otherwise basically yes. Honestly i just prefer destruction in the current Tanka Tough meta, mostly because the numbers popping up is satisfying and sitzkrieg is worthless in this meta.

Shanakin
Mar 26, 2010

The whole point of stats are lost if you keep it a secret. Why Didn't you tell the world eh?
I used to get hidden stuff randomly smoked by artillery but never actually fired on with dangerous shells.

Tulip
Jun 3, 2008

yeah thats pretty good


Shanakin posted:

I used to get hidden stuff randomly smoked by artillery but never actually fired on with dangerous shells.

Oh yea totally, the ALB AI teaches players to never use forest recon because it will always be smoked, which is a bad lesson but different bad.

Though "CV gets randomly sniped" is something that happens against humans, especially with clusters.

ZeusCannon
Nov 5, 2009

BLAAAAAARGH PLEASE KILL ME BLAAAAAAAARGH
Grimey Drawer
Saw RD was on sale for 75% off was like oh hell yes I can spare :10bux: turns out no its only 50% its just advertised everywhere else as 75%

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

Shanakin posted:

new maps etc should help a lot if they do indeed come. That being said it's kind of hard to judge the longevity of Red Dragon. If there isn't a large player migration I could see it going a while, but the community is a lot more... toxic than it was during the earlier games and I think that will negatively impact its mutliplayer life.

It's interesting just how dominated the player base is with hard right wing racist types simply because the game is real world military based. Are there no "nice" arm chair generals anymore? It seems if you like tanks you have a 90% chance of being a ridiculously racist nationalist fuckwit. I like tanks. I'm scared that i'm going to buy Mein Kampf any day now.

Psawhn
Jan 15, 2011

Regarde Aduck posted:

It's interesting just how dominated the player base is with hard right wing racist types simply because the game is real world military based. Are there no "nice" arm chair generals anymore? It seems if you like tanks you have a 90% chance of being a ridiculously racist nationalist fuckwit. I like tanks. I'm scared that i'm going to buy Mein Kampf any day now.

You mean like this? :v:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/peace-activist-has-to-admit-barrett-50-caliber-sni,234/

quote:

BURLINGTON, VT—Despite his staunch opposition to the National Rifle Association and U.S. military operations in Afghanistan, peace activist Paul Robinson conceded Monday that the Barrett .50 caliber sniper rifle is "pretty drat cool."

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Regarde Aduck posted:

It's interesting just how dominated the player base is with hard right wing racist types simply because the game is real world military based. Are there no "nice" arm chair generals anymore? It seems if you like tanks you have a 90% chance of being a ridiculously racist nationalist fuckwit. I like tanks. I'm scared that i'm going to buy Mein Kampf any day now.

At least some of the goons playing this game are actual human beings, so don't sweat it.

Mazz
Dec 12, 2012

Orion, this is Sperglord Actual.
Come on home.

Elukka posted:

How would you deal with with a combo of Longbows/Ka-50's sitting a few hundred meters behind a top tier tank? If there's sufficient AA to prevent you from killing the tank with planes or choppers you can't get your AA in range because the tank will kill it and you can't get your ground units in range of the tank because the chopper will kill them. Demoralizing the tank with arty can help a little bit but chances are it will still kill your AA.

Basically all I can think of is charging with a lot of cheap chaff.

Do you have a specific example of this happening?

Because the ranges involved don't really pan out except in very particular circumstances of terrain or you have a very deficient unit selection compared to theirs. The top end IR will engage helos a solid 1000m outside the tanks range, and to push the tank out to solve this should provoke your own use of ATGMs or helos or whatever. Now, being on the offensive against someone who can micro this type of thing well likely means they are smart enough to do other things, like dump artillery on any spotted AA, so there's not likely to be an easy solution except you know dumping AP MLRS fire when you can.

That, and I would say the only thing that might be able to stop a AGM plane before it smokes the tank is the Patriot. I really only expect my AGM planes to kill one important thing so it's a trade off you learn to work with.

Mazz fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Nov 27, 2014

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


Regarde Aduck posted:

It's interesting just how dominated the player base is with hard right wing racist types simply because the game is real world military based. Are there no "nice" arm chair generals anymore? It seems if you like tanks you have a 90% chance of being a ridiculously racist nationalist fuckwit. I like tanks. I'm scared that i'm going to buy Mein Kampf any day now.

I remember the good old days when you get non-nationalist wierdness in the in game chat. Like the guy who posted a script for a gay porn version of black hawk down line by line.

DOCTOR ZIMBARDO
May 8, 2006

Regarde Aduck posted:

It's interesting just how dominated the player base is with hard right wing racist types simply because the game is real world military based. Are there no "nice" arm chair generals anymore? It seems if you like tanks you have a 90% chance of being a ridiculously racist nationalist fuckwit. I like tanks. I'm scared that i'm going to buy Mein Kampf any day now.

I added an unironic pubbie Trotskyist to my friends list and we chat about Jacoin articles when I see them online. But way too many Nazis otherwise.

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc

Agean90 posted:

I remember the good old days when you get non-nationalist wierdness in the in game chat. Like the guy who posted a script for a gay porn version of black hawk down line by line.

Link to script please.


Regarde Aduck posted:

It's interesting just how dominated the player base is with hard right wing racist types simply because the game is real world military based. Are there no "nice" arm chair generals anymore? It seems if you like tanks you have a 90% chance of being a ridiculously racist nationalist fuckwit. I like tanks. I'm scared that i'm going to buy Mein Kampf any day now.

I think it's actually because the player-base is mostly European and this is just the baseline for white Europeans in terms of general racism.

papasyhotcakes
Oct 18, 2008
I think you guys have a point about AoA not being set in the same continuity and will not have the same game mechanics, thus not bledding out the playerbase for Red Dragon and bought it. Now to play it and be scared of all the apparent nazis :ohdear:

Elukka
Feb 18, 2011

For All Mankind
The forums are full of loud weird nationalists but I thought it was mostly the "DISCOVERY CHANNEL SAID ABRAMS BEATS EVERY TANK!" type. I can't say I've run into them in game. Unless you count the lobby chat. The lobby chat is universally terrible.

Mange Mite posted:

I think it's actually because the player-base is mostly European and this is just the baseline for white Europeans in terms of general racism.
lol

Chiwie
Oct 21, 2010

DROP YOUR COAT AND GRAB YOUR TOES, I'LL SHOW YOU WHERE THE WILD GOOSE GOES!!!!

Mr Luxury Yacht posted:

See, this is why I miss the Cat C bonuses from ALB, because there was nothing a horde of Mig-17s wouldn't solve.

Helicopter? Mig 17. Tanks? Two Mig-17s.

SAMs? Three Mig-17s from different angles. They can't shoot them all down...

You just can't get enough anymore.

Zapp Brannigan's East German Air Force was the best way to play REDFOR on ALB.

Sokol
Jul 2, 2012
Mildly amusing: http://www.wargame-ee.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=155&t=49681

another505 posted:

From Forum Rules:

An attack on or bullying of another user

Debating the decisions of the Moderation or Administration of the Forums publicly. In case of any inquiries you are welcome to write a Private Message (PM).

Now, whats your opinion of madmat as the dev.
We are not debating his decisions on the game, but how he interact in with the forum

raventhefuhrer posted:

Eh. I think he's toxic to the community and a significant hindrance to improving the game. Most of the marshals think so too - that's why so many of them have resigned and why so many others scarcely come onto the forums or play anymore.

But that's forum politics and nobody really cares.

MadMat posted:

Well, at least we agree on something once in a while ...

This thread serving no purpose, it is locked.

Sokol fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Nov 29, 2014

Plan Z
May 6, 2012

Ran into this channel today:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCM2PfWdxRs2__3FfUBlU6w

It's bad but not bad in a way, because they usually get in massive battles, and it teaches you how not to play the game, i.e. they never use recon, and move their units exclusively with move/move fast commands.

Like, look at this poo poo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh8PwJBcO-E

That must be thousands of points of infantry getting wiped out by a few city block of US Riflemen.

Plan Z fucked around with this message at 02:36 on Nov 30, 2014

-Anders
Feb 1, 2007

Denmark. Wait, what?
Are there any actually good YouTube channels? I'm bad at this game, so I'd love to see someone doing it right.

Plan Z
May 6, 2012

-Anders posted:

Are there any actually good YouTube channels? I'm bad at this game, so I'd love to see someone doing it right.

Someone here was making good videos, but only did like three of them and stopped. Most people on Youtube I see are pretty bad. It's a shame, because there are some parts of the game I want to get better at.

Xerxes17
Feb 17, 2011

Plan Z posted:

Someone here was making good videos, but only did like three of them and stopped. Most people on Youtube I see are pretty bad. It's a shame, because there are some parts of the game I want to get better at.

That would be me.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLz4L4Z8rfzCpJlNPFkelFsfi73Vrz0OsU

:effort:

Minenfeld!
Aug 21, 2012



How exactly did MadMat's relationship with the community deteriorate so fast? He was always like this, but it seems he's gotten infinitely worse over the past few months.

Xerxes17
Feb 17, 2011



Looks like us doom prophets hit it for six and out of the park this time! :haw:

RangerPL
Jul 23, 2014
It's almost like people are being banned for being right!

-Anders
Feb 1, 2007

Denmark. Wait, what?

These are actually very good and informative, it's a shame you've stopped doing them.

GlisteningDragon
Feb 20, 2010

-Anders posted:

Are there any actually good YouTube channels? I'm bad at this game, so I'd love to see someone doing it right.

I like SaucyNetwork and VulcanHDGaming.

Xerxes17
Feb 17, 2011

-Anders posted:

These are actually very good and informative, it's a shame you've stopped doing them.

I might start doing them again in the near future.

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013
According to Orcbuster, panzer grenadiers are finally getting some Nerf (or equalization to other shock troops)

Dave47
Oct 3, 2012

Shut up and take my money!

OctaMurk posted:

According to Orcbuster, panzer grenadiers are finally getting some Nerf (or equalization to other shock troops)
Excellent. Soon Kustjägare will regain their rightful place as king of the men who shoot men.

Hubis
May 18, 2003

Boy, I wish we had one of those doomsday machines...

OctaMurk posted:

According to Orcbuster, panzer grenadiers are finally getting some Nerf (or equalization to other shock troops)

am I going to have to retire my "Wave of Marders" W German Mech deck now? :(

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Will eurocorps armored still be a viable infantry deck rather than outright better than some? Inquiring minds must know.

RangerPL
Jul 23, 2014
It's Versailles all over again

-Anders
Feb 1, 2007

Denmark. Wait, what?
I am so bad at this game that today I got told to kill myself :ohdear:
What can I do to get better? I've been watching some videos on youtube and trying to translate that into something useful when I'm playing, but I just seem to get destroyed no matter what I try.

Trimson Grondag 3
Jul 1, 2007

Clapping Larry

-Anders posted:

I am so bad at this game that today I got told to kill myself :ohdear:
What can I do to get better? I've been watching some videos on youtube and trying to translate that into something useful when I'm playing, but I just seem to get destroyed no matter what I try.

Play with goons, they can give you some pointers if you let them know you are new. Otherwise I found the pubbie 10 v 10 games to be a good place to experiment, there is enough bad play on those with enough people that you messing about won't be noticed.

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xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

RangerPL posted:

It's Versailles all over again

Truly a stab in the back. Probably still going to have vastly more high end LAWs than a faction has any right to but hey.

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