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Cancelling the Taiho  In seriousness, the Shinano is a giant waste of resources for a carrier that is very, very mediocre at best, but the Taiho is a very good flattop, and it comes with modern planes straight away. Personally, I would even suggest accelerating it. if you are willing to spend the resources, you can match the US in CV numbers until 1943 (not in CVL or CVE numbers, obviously). Personally, I like the idea of the Yamato-class BBs as sort of MMO-style tanks for my carrier fleets. The AI does targeting by victory point value, and I'm fairly certain the Yamatos outrank any carrier you might have, so they draw the majority of attacks while being fairly difficult to sink (more difficult than a carrier, at any rate). As for planes, you need to optimize and standardize quickly. Right now you're producing a bunch of planes you don't really need, like three different kinds of scout floatplanes, when all you want is Jakes because of their 10 hex range. The Nate is pretty much useless as a fighter by 1942, ramp up production on the Oscar Ic (which uses the same engine as the Zero, unless I'm very much mistaken, so you can synergize well there) and streamline production of landbased bombers. Those dinky little one engined light bombers carry a completely anemic bombload over a short range, they're just not worth the resources.
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Night10194 posted:I'm curious, after reading the original WiTP LP, what BBs are actually particularly useful for. They seem to take a lot of supplies, they're vulnerable to air attack, and they can be outrun or torpedoed in surface combat. Are they mostly useful for supporting landings and bombardment? Late war upgrades for US BBs make them fearsome AA platforms (provided you're running with the beta patch that ungimps ship-based AA), and yes they're very good at blowing up stuff on the beach. Sneaking the Yamato into Port Moresby can kill a disgusting number of planes if you can pull it off.
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Lucky ship BB Massachusetts. Hopefully my leftover avatar from the last war won't prove prophetic in this one.Readingaccount posted:Is it an utterly terrible idea to make a pass on the harbor with the battlewagons and most of the escorts? Pearl Harbor has CD guns and mines, and any Japanese ship damaged to be point of being slowed will be hard to get back home. Rogue0071 fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Dec 6, 2014 |
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He's back, ladies and gentlemen! ArchangeI, if you don't want Grey to cancel the Taiho, I'll go right ahead and make it my lucky ship. Go go alternate history! (That means don't sink three months after you launch.)
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Holy poo poo. I came along too late to get into the last one, but this one I won't miss.
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gradenko_2000 posted:This might be entirely too late for the LP, but some enterprising fan has made an alternative map-art mod for the game and I'll let the screenshots speak for themselves: These are really beautiful and kind of make me want to buy the game.
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Hunter, you magnificent bastard, I read your thread!
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If we're looking for a mirror to the last LP, I fully expect a well-developed plan to invade Alaska in 3-4 years. 
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Looking forward to seeing you break the Allies back and exploiting every advantage and bug you can. If you cancelling ships in '45, do you want to cancel CV Ikoma & CVL Ibuki too? I'll take the Kirishima as my lucky ship. She may get some action soon. Grey is promising every attack is a banzai charge...
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Dec 6, 2014 22:00
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Which ship, oh my, there's so many and I'm so early in choosing them... BB Yamashiro, that majestic beauty with her superstructure, is mine!
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This will be good, I enjoyed Steinrokkans Lp of this until it died so it will be good to hopefully see a full game. As for lucky ships put me down for BB Kongo. I will be disappointed if she doesn't duel at least one British fleet in the lp.
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Hmm, suppose I'll have to take a lucky ship too. I'll take CV Junyo since it's the first carrier stated for completion, even if it is just a modified passenger liner.
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What was the Japanese BB in the last thread that was thought to be sunk like 4 or 5 times, several times legitimately, always returning? I can't remember if it was the Kongo that kept showing up or some other one. I guess there's always the infamous Tokyo Bay Fortress. Also, I'll take the CV Yorktown (the first one). I'd guess the AI will get it killed pretty quickly but it was always my favorite ship when playing as the Allies. Fairly light, can fit in the Sydney yards when it inevitably eats a torp or two, and still fit 90 planes. Sucks down way less fuel than the two BC converts (Lex and Sara).
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Unlike the rest of these scrubs, I'm voting for an (un)lucky island: who could forget about Eniwetok. I predict that, based on past performance, it becomes a horrific meat grinder for Grey's foe.
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Dec 6, 2014 22:47
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Grey you're mad. I call the BB Musashi
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Dec 6, 2014 23:13
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I call the CA Tone. I feel warm and fuzzy knowing I can read another glorious WitP thread. I await the inevitable sinking of my lucky ship by.... tomorrow.
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Oh, what the hell, I backed the HMS Valiant last time and it went swimmingly well (no joke intended). What's the harm in backing it this time so you can sink it sooner  Also, Grey, honestly, I'm torn between being exceptionally hype you're doing this and concerned for your mental well-being. Good luck!
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Dec 6, 2014 23:35
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Calling the BB Mutsu.
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Dec 6, 2014 23:36
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I followed the last one from the beginning and I'm on board for this one too. I'll claim the USS Saratoga as my Enjoy having working torpedoes and good luck sinking the Royal Navy!
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Dec 6, 2014 23:38
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God speed GH 
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Dec 7, 2014 00:09
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Hooray! A new WitP thread to follow! Your playthrough as the Allies convinced me to buy this game years ago. Calling the HMS Repulse as my lucky ship.
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Dec 7, 2014 00:45
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Oh you crazy diamond! Putting down BB Kirishima as my lucky ship. May it be luckier than it's historical counterpart.
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My money is on Tokyo Bay Fortress, the most crafty of static defenses.
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Since we're in this for the long haul, I'd like to claim the CV Hiyō. Looking forward to seeing her launched early next year.
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The first thread was my daily routine, good to have it back! I'd claim the Kirishima, but I've been beaten to it. Twice. So instead, I claim the BB-67 USS Montana. Try and sink that, GH!
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Stumbling Block posted:Putting down BB Kirishima as my lucky ship. Already taken 
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I'm looking forward to GH showing how ridiculously complicated the Japanese industry control is in this game. I've read AARs on the Matrix forums, but it still just looks like a bunch of numbers to me. HI points, R&D, engines...ecch. Also, calling the showiest of Showboats for my lucky ship: BB USS North Carolina! (I'm sure the AI will use it to its best advantage, and not throw it unescorted into Tokyo Bay on the first day it's deployed) Neophyte fucked around with this message at 03:36 on Dec 7, 2014 |
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I'll take the CA Chikuma, but what I really want is the I-400 submarine, although those are far in the future and might not even get built.
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Can you pick destroyers? If so, DD Shimakaze
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Night10194 posted:And infantry weapons and armored vehicles and pilot replacement and manpower and industrial capacity and transport capacity and jesus why did Japan think it could win this, yes, but the torpedoes are excellent! They were playing by the old school rules of war: the Russo-Japanese model. Was Japan ever going to win against the full might of Russia? No. But they bloodied them at Tsushima and hosed them hard enough to make their point: Manchuria was in their backyard and they were willing to bleed the Russians over it. They didn't see the War in the Pacific as an extension of the annihilatory, all or nothing loss of the nation-state sort of deal happening in over in Europe. To them it was essentially a colonial affair, sealed by striking at a colonial forward naval base (which Hawaii was, let's be honest. It's not even a state until 1959.) The point wasn't to beat the American wholesale, just prove to them that they would and could make them walk through oceans of blood, in the belief that they cared more about Indo-china/the Dutch East Indies/China than the Americans would. It's not like it was an Operation Barbarossa type thing which was from the start aimed at the very heart of the USSR. Like for that the Nazi's must have known they were in for a wild ride. IDK, it's kind of annoying that people go on about Japanese suicidal fanaticism when the Nazi's fought to Berlin while no Allies even set foot on Japanese soil. I mean, Okinawa yeah, but that's still in this weird semi-colonial. I mean, yes, they knew they were loosing. They just didn't quite *get* the whole unconditional surrender thing. They still thought they'd walk out with at least Korea/China/w/e if they kept bleeding. Hell, Italy came this close to getting their North African colonies back.
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What did the American's want in return for restarting trade between the two nations? By the old school rules of war above, I probably would have taken the war option as well. It makes sense on paper, bloody some American noses, grab oil producing regions of Indonesia and as much of the European Colonies as possible and peace out against America. Probably even returning everything that was taken from them. Did the American people want blood or was it the will of the politicians at the time to go to war?
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Was googling the names of some of the ships I didn't recognize.  oh. ohh  Of course there's a anime game starring sexualized anthropomorphic IJN ships. god drat it
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Grumio posted:
This is why I stick to wikipedia when searching that stuff. And according to wiki, it's not JUST IJN ships...
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Lord Windy posted:Did the American people want blood or was it the will of the politicians at the time to go to war? Prior to Pearl Harbor, public support had been firmly against intervention in either Europe or China. In part because of the cynicism induced by World War I, WWII was seen entirely as a foreign affair that America didn't need to be involved in. The Roosevelt administration did what they could to aid the Allies (the Lend Lease Act being the most famous) but didn't have the public or political support to join the war. Pearl Harbor completely changed that. Our war boner went to full mast and has stayed there pretty much ever since.
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Grumio posted:Was googling the names of some of the ships I didn't recognize. If Enterprise is in that thing, what would BklnBruiser's reaction be?
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Oh what the hell, I'll live gloriously and dangerously. USS Lexington. It'll make a lovely artificial reef by January 1942.
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Very excited for this. I would like to claim the USS Hornet as my lucky ship. Torpedo Squadron 8 
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Lord Windy posted:What did the American's want in return for restarting trade between the two nations? By the old school rules of war above, I probably would have taken the war option as well.
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This is the first time I've ever been around at the start of of one of these threads, can I call the HMS Formidable
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1stGear posted:Prior to Pearl Harbor, public support had been firmly against intervention in either Europe or China. In part because of the cynicism induced by World War I, WWII was seen entirely as a foreign affair that America didn't need to be involved in. The Roosevelt administration did what they could to aid the Allies (the Lend Lease Act being the most famous) but didn't have the public or political support to join the war. Also, there was more sympathy with the Nazis in the States than is generally thought today. Especially by wealthy business people, since they viewed communism as a primary threat to their way or life.
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