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I just got done finishing up the copy of Silver Nemesis that I got for Christmas. It wasn't nearly as bad as I had been led to believe, and makes me miss the EXCELLENT 80s Cybermen even more.
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Rat Flavoured Rats posted:I just got done finishing up the copy of Silver Nemesis that I got for Christmas. It wasn't nearly as bad as I had been led to believe, and makes me miss the EXCELLENT 80s Cybermen even more. Ace and her +2 Slingshot of Cyberman Murder are kind of charming. It's still dumb that it's the 'official' 25th anniversary story when Remembrance Of The Daleks is so much more clearly meant as that.
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Dec 27, 2014 19:33
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Well, I quite enjoyed that episode! Just finished watching it. The Dream Crabs are a good Doctor Who concept. Everybody loves a good layered fake reality sci fi story. I actually think it was a good way to get Clara back into the show, although I hope she doesn't wear out her welcome. I thought the chemistry between Capaldi and Coleman was the best that it's been, it was nice to see Danny make a return appearance, Nick Frost played a good Santa and they only over-did the comedy elves the tiniest bit. The bad CG had an actual in-episode reason for it, which is an incredibly good idea for Doctor Who. There's a reason for it to look fake, as there is with Coleman's bad aging makeup (I was a sucker for that scene, but I love the "ever so much more than 20" bit of Peter and Wendy). It was cheesy in all the right ways even if it was a bit dark for Christmas. Normally I think Moffat gets writing fatigue from doing the finale and the Christmas special, but this time, I think both were quite good. Season 8 overall was the best one since season 5. Capaldi has gentled up a little too, which I think they needed. I can't believe we have to wait all the way until the fall for the next episode!
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Dec 27, 2014 19:50
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Bicyclops posted:The Dream Crabs are a good Doctor Who concept. And also, I dont think anyone has mentioned, a great name for a prog rock band.
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Dec 27, 2014 19:57
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2house2fly posted:His idea of developing a plot over a season is for Missy to show up and wave at the camera every couple of episodes. The Russell T Davies Method.  :
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Dec 27, 2014 20:29
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Gaz-L posted:Ace and her +2 Slingshot of Cyberman Murder are kind of charming. It's still dumb that it's the 'official' 25th anniversary story when Remembrance Of The Daleks is so much more clearly meant as that. Really it should have been The Happiness Patrol.
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Dec 27, 2014 20:35
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I was really disappointed to see that Clara is returning for the next series. Clara and the Doctor bring out the worst in each other. I was okay with that when they seem to be leading to that being a plot point, but they veered off randomly from that and now we're led to believe all of the lying and scheming is somehow a friendship for the ages. This Doctor needs a companion with a very different personality from his own to play off of instead of watching two unpleasant people yell shut up at each other over and over.
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Dec 27, 2014 20:53
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I loved Santaception. it's like all of moffat's quirks, mashed into a ball, but somehow delicious instead of bitter and offputting. Kinda wish Shona would be a regular companion, and that scene with old Clara would've been a good ending for her character, but the chemistry between Coleman and Capaldi has been so electric that I don't mind that she's staying on. what would really be great is if Shona appeared in a season nine episode. MAKE IT HAPPEN MOFFAT.
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Dec 27, 2014 21:16
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I rewatched it and it did seem a lot more like the actual happy ending was rushed in later. Clara seemed more nostalgic for the Tardis than you'd expect if it had just been a few weeks or months since she was there last, and her not wanting to wake up makes a lot more sense if she's dying of old age anyway. I still like it in its current form as a final dream from Santa to get them back together though.
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Dec 27, 2014 21:37
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Spatula City posted:Kinda wish Shona would be a regular companion, and that scene with old Clara would've been a good ending for her character, but the chemistry between Coleman and Capaldi has been so electric that I don't mind that she's staying on. what would really be great is if Shona appeared in a season nine episode. MAKE IT HAPPEN MOFFAT. I've heard this from a number of people and I can't help but agree. If i've heard it here its probably been said in other nerd circles. Hopefully someone with Moffat's ear passes on the current community thoughts. I would only hope that they could write her into a good evolving character, as it is she was an excellent personality for a side character.
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Dec 27, 2014 22:21
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ashez2ashes posted:I was really disappointed to see that Clara is returning for the next series. Clara and the Doctor bring out the worst in each other. I was okay with that when they seem to be leading to that being a plot point, but they veered off randomly from that and now we're led to believe all of the lying and scheming is somehow a friendship for the ages. This Doctor needs a companion with a very different personality from his own to play off of instead of watching two unpleasant people yell shut up at each other over and over. If you never noticed, this was a reconciliation episode, do I'm sure the worst in each other will be less and less now. Brilliant all the same it was.
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Dec 27, 2014 22:47
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Myrddin_Emrys posted:If you never noticed, this was a reconciliation episode, do I'm sure the worst in each other will be less and less now. The resolution to the "Clara and the Doctor bring out the worst in each other" was Clara randomly changing her mind for no reason. It was a literal heel turn. She spun around in a circle then came back with a different expression and decided she was going to travel with him and keep lying to Danny. Danny is probably gone now and we won't be subjected to their annoying angst anymore. However, the problem with how Clara treats people isn't gone just because the main focus of that mistreatment is gone. The is a pure writing problem, because I like all of the actors involved. Heck, I really liked Victorian and Futuristic Clara.
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Dec 28, 2014 01:17
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Myrddin_Emrys posted:If you never noticed, this was a reconciliation episode, do I'm sure the worst in each other will be less and less now. Yeah, I do like the way it did that - I think it was a better season-ender than the actual one. And even though Clara was starting to get on my nerves near the end of the season, I also appreciate that 12 / Clara both got the deception out of the way. Not that either will stop lying, I don't believe, but they got the biggest ones out of the way, and more importantly (if they didn't realize it already), each has more an appreciation of how far the other will go. Danny coming "back" was a nice touch. This episode reminded me of the "Dream Lord", wonder if he'll ever make a re-appearance. Angela Christine posted:He is a time alien, maybe he sees time a bit differently than us? He seemed to have moments where he slipped between seeing Amy as she was, and as she had been as a little girl despite only knowing little Amelia for a few hours. A little non-linear perception where timelords sometimes perceive people as they were, are, and may become wouldn't be totally out of line. It could even help them recognise old timelords in new faces, a thing they've been able to do some of the time. He's had a demonstrated history of recognizing people when seeing them at vastly different ages, maybe that same trait sometimes hinders his ability to recognize if they're really old/young? In other words, he doesn't care if you're 4 or 40, you're still the same "you". Irony Be My Shield posted:The fact that The Doctor himself was apparently attacked in a volcano is strange too. Maybe someone plotted it or something. He was just making double-triple sure that Clara actually hadn't thrown any of the spare keys in the lava, because that was done in a dream state too? No? Well it makes sense to ME.  happyhippy posted:One thing though, how the gently caress does dinner sized blue crabs get around the UK without being seen once. They crawl on the ceiling. Seriously. Nobody ever looks up. Not EVER. (OK, once, during Impossible Planet, but only after 10 told them to, to find the body). As far as outside... um, they're crawling on the skybox. That's it. RunAndGun fucked around with this message at 01:52 on Dec 28, 2014 |
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Dec 28, 2014 01:37
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Bicyclops posted:The bad CG had an actual in-episode reason for it, which is an incredibly good idea for Doctor Who. There's a reason for it to look fake, as there is with Coleman's bad aging makeup (I was a sucker for that scene, but I love the "ever so much more than 20" bit of Peter and Wendy). It was cheesy in all the right ways even if it was a bit dark for Christmas. I actually thought Coleman's aging makeup was pretty good, as far as aging makeup goes. It actually took a few shots for me to click that it was actually her, and not just clever trickery with an all-new actor that happens to look a fair bit like her. I think the big part of that is that they didn't let us get a good look at her. The lighting and the angles did a lot of work to hide the pitfalls of the work.
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Dec 28, 2014 02:09
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Cleretic posted:I actually thought Coleman's aging makeup was pretty good, as far as aging makeup goes. It actually took a few shots for me to click that it was actually her, and not just clever trickery with an all-new actor that happens to look a fair bit like her. Old person makeup most of the times seems pretty good, even on a low budget show like Doctor Who. I have a much bigger problem with the voices. Matt Smith did an...okay...job in TIme of the Doctor, but it was still falling through sometimes. Coleman's was pretty bad, too. I get that it's a difficult job to do, but, you know, they're actors. One of the only things I remember about Watchmen is that the actress playing the first Silk Spectre sounded exactly the same in the 1940s as she did in the 1980s.
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Dec 28, 2014 02:13
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I find it strange people are complaining about The Doctors choice of shirts. I mean holy gently caress, it could be so so much worse. Personally I find nearly everything in Twelves wardrobe rather nice and suitable for him. I find him the best dressed of any recent incarnations. Also that hoodie he wore in Last Christmas happened to be the same one he wore in Time Heist.
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Dec 28, 2014 02:56
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Boogaleeboo posted:They had Santa admit that and say what does it matter? Because....what does it matter if Santa isn't real? Santa still saved them. Who cares if he's just a fairytale, he's a pretty good one all told. True, but when you're telling a story involving Santa to small kids, it seems kinda bad to write it as "SANTA ISN'T REAL AND EVERYONE KNOWS THIS AS COMMON KNOWLEDGE, WATCH EVEN THE DOCTOR TELL THE KIDDIES SANTA ISN'T REAL but he might be real in the end..." (That's written for how the tone came across to me, not ranting)
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Even with all the other cool inception stuff going on, I like this episode just because it finally ties up some emotional loose ends for Doctor and Clara and finally makes me want to watch the two of them travel. Clara experiences the "I'm suddenly much older" moment the Doctor went through---asking if he saw her any different was a nice touch, because the answer was immediate---the Doctor shows that there's still a wide-eyed "this is AWESOME" little kid under all that Time War guilt, and Danny Pink gets a nice little scene so he can tool off forever and we can forget about what a shouty one-dimensional wanker he was. Everybody wins! Merry Christmas! 
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I just watched the episode and it was wonderful and beautiful and wonderful and great and wonderful  I'm sure I'll be more critical later, but for now that's definitely my second favorite Christmas special of the show, and I am unbelievably happy that Clara is sticking around since I really did think this would be her last episode and fully expected a happy ending with some kind of mad reunion with Danny. I was just as giddy as the two of them were at the decision to just continue traveling together, because I think the chemistry between the two actors is sensational. Thanks Santa, and I hope all you guys had happy holidays 
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Dec 28, 2014 06:57
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2house2fly posted:I wish he'd at least get some story arc lessons. His idea of developing a plot over a season is for Missy to show up and wave at the camera every couple of episodes. I would not have a problem if this continues into the next season.
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Dec 28, 2014 08:05
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Considering that we've just seen a couple series that seemed to revolve around the idea that the day-tripper lifestyle that the Ponds and Clara adopted is toxic, what are the odds of Moffat reverting to that dynamic in the pursuit of drama next series?
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Dec 28, 2014 08:32
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Astroman posted:I would not have a problem if this continues into the next season. I would be perfectly okay if each episode just had her popping in to make things a teensy bit worse before pissing off in her TARDIS  .
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Dec 28, 2014 09:59
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Santa had been stressing "alien scientist in a phone box is ridiculous" so much that I was expecting the ending would have them wake up to production assistants saying "Peter, Jenna, time to film the next scene of the Christmas special."
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Dec 28, 2014 10:14
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That Christmas episode was the most  I've seen from Moffat. I like that for once he wasn't trying to cram in everything he could think of, but the dream-within-a-dream stuff was cliched and dull. Being the next best Christmas episode after A Christmas Carol isn't much of an achievement.
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Dec 28, 2014 10:15
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Rochallor posted:Old person makeup most of the times seems pretty good, even on a low budget show like Doctor Who. I have a much bigger problem with the voices. Matt Smith did an...okay...job in TIme of the Doctor, but it was still falling through sometimes. Coleman's was pretty bad, too. I get that it's a difficult job to do, but, you know, they're actors. One of the only things I remember about Watchmen is that the actress playing the first Silk Spectre sounded exactly the same in the 1940s as she did in the 1980s. Not everyone's voice changes when they get old. Sorry but its true.
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I think the episode suited the season, despite how dark it was at times. The way Capaldi and Coleman worked together really helped sell the moments when they put on Christmas crowns and open Christmas crackers and Twelve takes the reigns of the sleigh. The "every Christmas is last Christmas" sentiment is a sad one that is definitely big with my family, but it was only sad until you realized it wasn't their last, and then it was just holiday cheerful. 
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It's slowly occurring to me that while I like having Kate Stewart around, Jemma Redgrave isn't that great of an actress. She's got this incredibly flat delivery that's starting to irk me.
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Dec 28, 2014 16:55
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The_Doctor posted:It's slowly occurring to me that while I like having Kate Stewart around, Jemma Redgrave isn't that great of an actress. She's got this incredibly flat delivery that's starting to irk me. They should've left her dead in the last episode. She's an abysmal "character." All she ever talks about is her dad.
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Dec 28, 2014 16:57
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PriorMarcus posted:They should've left her dead in the last episode. She's an abysmal "character." All she ever talks about is her dad. Maybe they're trying "too hard" to get us to like her through her dad... "Hey you all like the Brig right? This is his daughter, that means you have to like her too!!!" "Remember, this is the Brig's daughter! You remember the Brig, right?!" "Hey, the Brig may be gone, but he had a daughter! This is her, right here!!!" And so on...
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Myrddin_Emrys posted:Not everyone's voice changes when they get old. Sorry but its true.  
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Dec 28, 2014 17:32
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The Dream Crabs looking like Wallmasters made them a million times creepier.
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RunAndGun posted:Maybe they're trying "too hard" to get us to like her through her dad... "Hey you all like the Brig right? This is his daughter, that means you have to like her too!!!" "Remember, this is the Brig's daughter! You remember the Brig, right?!" "Hey, the Brig may be gone, but he had a daughter! This is her, right here!!!" And so on... Yeah, they'd be much better off doing more stuff like her throwing the busted Cyberman helmet down. Show us she's a no-nonsense UNIT commander, don't just talk about how awesome her dad was.
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I finally saw this episode today, absolutely loved it. I'm a sucker for these type of sci-fi "are we dreaming or are we awake" type episodes, so no surprise that I loved this one too. So the twist at the end of season 9 is going to be the Doctor waking up again, right? I mean, the whole purpose of the dream crabs was to trap their victims in a reality that they will be happy in while they slurp up their brains. The episode ends with Capaldi's Doctor ecstatic that he's going on more adventures with his favourite companion. And there was consistently no entry wound from the dream crab drilling into their skull and slathering their brains with acid. I'm pretty sure that would leave a pretty noticeable mark. The only thing keeping me from 100% believing that everything in this episode (and by extension, all of season 9) was in the Doctor's head is that Clara told the Doctor about Danny's death. It's knowledge that he wouldn't have come up with if every other character was just a part of his dream. But you could still make the argument that the Doctor knew subconsciously about it, and was just lying to himself because he wanted to believe Clara would be happier without him. I dunno. I also don't know where Santa Claus would fit into the Doctor's subconscious. Maybe he was the part of his psyche that was resisting the dream all along, and it presented him with a fable, something that he knows isn't real and will make him question everything about this dream world he is trapped in. Although it obviously didn't work, if my take on the ending is true. I'm going to be keeping my eyes peeled for tangerines in the next season. If they're there, it would add a bit more credibility to my theory. The Doctor's still trying to wake himself up. Or maybe I'm looking too much into the ending, and it really was supposed to be exactly the way it seemed. Either way, I get to see Jenna Coleman for another season, and I'm thrilled about that. Funny how, if I told myself at the end of season seven that I would be happy to see more of Jenna, I wouldn't have believed it. What an amazing turnaround.
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JoltSpree posted:So the twist at the end of season 9 is going to be the Doctor waking up again, right? The twist at the end of season 9 is going to be the 11th Doctor waking up again after Amy's Choice.
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thexerox123 posted:The twist at the end of season 9 is going to be the 11th Doctor waking up again after Amy's Choice. As the Valeyard. Just in time for Six's trial.
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The_Doctor posted:It's slowly occurring to me that while I like having Kate Stewart around, Jemma Redgrave isn't that great of an actress. She's got this incredibly flat delivery that's starting to irk me. I kind of like that flat tone she has, actually. It feels like a world-weary UNIT pro mixed with an old-world eccentric officer, who'd quite happily spend her days feeding pigeons in the park if it weren't for all these bloody Mandrels and Bandrils and Voords and Time Lords. They do need stop going on constantly about her dad, though. It's got to the point where it feels like she's a fake moustache away from going full Norman Bates on him.
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