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Agreed posted:Yeah, he was gassing. Jones has his body fine-tuned for perfect cardio without sacrificing strength in a meaningful way, and it'd be stupid to discount his own wrestling skill - he's tall and strong and that gives him advantages, but seeing some of his lateral drops in previous fights, daaamn. Even early on he was moving people around in ways you just can't if you're only using strength. DC brought a very, very wrestling-centric sensibility to the fight, pushed the pace like Cain would have but Cormier can't bring Cain's cardio. I feel like his frame is really better for Heavyweight, but the division isn't very appealing if you can fight one lower. Jones has unique leverage in a lot of situations. We'll never know if Cormier just didnt have the gas for the pace they set or if the knees and other body blows did him in. He landed a lot of those rights in the clinch, and some other good punches. He had the skills to deal with Jones but he couldn't quite get over the hump. He was matching Jones' elbows and knees with those uppercuts in the clinch to some extent. I thought he got the better of round 2.
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He had the skills to hang, he just gassed hard. He did start going to the body in the clinch eventually though, and if they rematch and he does that earlier he might have a better shot. He also smothered his punches when he got Jones against the cage. If he gave himself more room to work he could have landed more authoritatively, because he was definitely able to land when he was fresh.
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 08:27 |
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Bundt Cake posted:Jones has unique leverage in a lot of situations. We'll never know if Cormier just didnt have the gas for the pace they set or if the knees and other body blows did him in. He landed a lot of those rights in the clinch, and some other good punches. He had the skills to deal with Jones but he couldn't quite get over the hump. He was matching Jones' elbows and knees with those uppercuts in the clinch to some extent. I thought he got the better of round 2. cormier said the body blows took a toll. i agree that he won round 2
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Skip My Posts posted:cormier said the body blows took a toll. i agree that he won round 2 I meant never as in saying bad to mean cool
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Bundt Cake posted:I meant never as in saying bad to mean cool lol honestly he probably doesn't even truly know how much was the pace and how much was the body shots
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 08:32 |
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If you look at Cormier's previous fights where he's used a similar heavy-aggression strategy, he's pretty much always been able to secure a takedown (or five) immediately and pressure from the top to make the other dude carry his weight. He's used to being the ring general, but Jones is just more physically imposing and took that away from him. That left him running a much faster pace than I think he was used to against an opponent providing way more resistance than we've ever seen. He looked out of his element forced to dirty box with a dude who has arms nearly a foot longer - he chased the takedown until it ran him out of gas, imo.
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 08:35 |
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DC ran out of gas so markedly because he was getting rocked very hard in the gut by stiff punches and knees repeatedly.
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canada jezus posted:Where does dc go from here, does he try to give it another go after some wins? Does he go back to heavy? DC goes back to KFC imo Agreed posted:If you look at Cormier's previous fights where he's used a similar heavy-aggression strategy, he's pretty much always been able to secure a takedown (or five) immediately and pressure from the top to make the other dude carry his weight. He's used to being the ring general, but Jones is just more physically imposing and took that away from him. That left him running a much faster pace than I think he was used to against an opponent providing way more resistance than we've ever seen. He looked out of his element forced to dirty box with a dude who has arms nearly a foot longer - he chased the takedown until it ran him out of gas, imo. the dirty boxing was the best part of his fight imo, but it seemed clear that overall jones was the more dominant wrestler and DC couldn't keep up his pace
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 08:57 |
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1st AD posted:overall jones was the more dominant wrestler and DC couldn't keep up his pace i dislike this type of phrasing because it negates the effects of getting hit really loving hard in the stomach repeatedly.
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We saw the fight too, nobody is discounting the role of him getting tenderized here. Not sure why that keeps getting harped on like folks are somehow missing it. He got hosed up, alright! If Jones had proved even a little less effective at killing DC's wrestling, at least offensively, could have gone differently, but standing up and slugging seemed like a backup plan carried out under duress.
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Marching Powder posted:i dislike this type of phrasing because it negates the effects of getting hit really loving hard in the stomach repeatedly. the pace thing doesnt make sense to me because cormier was pushing the pace if anything after jones initial attack
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Bundt Cake posted:the pace thing doesnt make sense to me because cormier was pushing the pace if anything after jones initial attack That doesn't mean it didn't wear him out. He's only gone past three rounds once and that was in a fight he was dominating from the beginning, and was fought at a much less grueling pace. He may have simply misjudged his ability to keep that pace, or may have expected Jones to slow down.
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Agreed posted:We saw the fight too, nobody is discounting the role of him getting tenderized here. Not sure why that keeps getting harped on like folks are somehow missing it. He got hosed up, alright!
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TheRationalRedditor posted:Well you just posited that the pace or trying to wrestle too hard was what gassed him so quickly, and it was certainly less that than the constant stream of planned bodyblows designed to leave him sucking air. Those weren't Hendricks-brand grind clinches DC was making, they were him staying in Jones' deadzone as much as he could to neutralize the range. His only success in the fight was those uppercuts, too bad he couldn't land more of them. He shrugged off elbows with his positioning very well. Jones started getting a better hold of DC's wrists in the clinch by round 4 and that pretty much put an end to the uppercuts. Jones also put the fear of shallow underhooks towards the end with those shoulder crank attempts.
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 09:20 |
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He did, but the early attack had already taken its brutal toll by then so it was much easier for Jones to handfight him successfully. jackson is a bird-rear end lookin' piece of weirdo honky poo poo, but he definitely knows how to map out a 5 rounder for his best guys
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Neeber posted:Jones started getting a better hold of DC's wrists in the clinch by round 4 and that pretty much put an end to the uppercuts. Jones also put the fear of shallow underhooks towards the end with those shoulder crank attempts. He was able to get a better hold because Cormier didn't have the energy to fight him off. He didn't just suddenly figure out how to hold a wrist better.
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 09:23 |
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that lookin rear end nigga thread would have gone great with greg jackson as the subject
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 09:23 |
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DC losing is a bummer but sometimes fight life isn't fair Other times it's really good
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 13:01 |
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I'm sad
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 13:27 |
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One of the judges had the 2nd for Jones and 3rd for Cormier.
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 13:31 |
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1st AD posted:DC goes back to KFC imo I'm pretty sure its popeyes chicken that he is all about.
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 13:42 |
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Congratulations once again to God's humble warrior, Jon Jones. Were there any fights worth catching?
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Triticum Guzzler posted:Congratulations once again to God's humble warrior, Jon Jones. Were there any fights worth catching? the felder/castillo match. the rest: gently caress no I woke up this morning and my first thought was Aldo vs McGregor is going to be the first Bad Blood match that won't suck. Both guys are too good at punching and kicking & not wrestlers to make it cool.
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 15:47 |
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Just wanted to pop in and say no, Mark Hunt would not beat or be favored against Jon Jones. Like come on.
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 16:46 |
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Hunt could beat Jones. I think JDS, Cain, and Werdum definitely would.
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 16:50 |
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LordPants, you and I had an avatar bet that I lost. Please pick your image of choice and any accompanying text that I will purchase for myself and keep for at least a month. Thank you, and gently caress Jon Jones.
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Bundt Cake posted:Jones has unique leverage in a lot of situations. We'll never know if Cormier just didnt have the gas for the pace they set or if the knees and other body blows did him in. He landed a lot of those rights in the clinch, and some other good punches. He had the skills to deal with Jones but he couldn't quite get over the hump. He was matching Jones' elbows and knees with those uppercuts in the clinch to some extent. I thought he got the better of round 2. imo Jones was the better wrestler, however you want to cut it, and without being able to take him down and hold him there Cormier was never going to be able to keep up his pace. Cormier had success with the dirty boxing though and I got real mad when he kept trying to hit trips on a younger taller fitter Jones. Instead of, you know, just punching him a lot and trying to win via volume striking. I guess Jones did a good job of getting wrist control in the clinch later on.
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 17:01 |
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Mark Hunt is powered by Real Jesus, Hunto by 2nd round KO
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 17:05 |
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Well, Realer Jesus, not Realist Jesus that would be Catholic Jesus but Realer Jesus than Jon Jones' Jesus
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Bluedeanie posted:On a somewhat related note, does Chromecast work well with Fight Pass and the Fox Sports Go app? I'm going to be without a computer for a while so I want to be able to stream to my tv from my tablet, and I know Chromecast had problems with Fight Pass at least at first so I want to make sure I get the right thing. The fightpass website works with chromecast but not the fightpass mobile app. It makes no sense but there you go. Also Jon Jones is a doo doo face.
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EvanSchenck posted:I think Cormier had good strikes off the clinch but JBJ has a solid chin, so Jones's body knees paid off more in the long run. 1st AD posted:Instead of, you know, just punching him a lot and trying to win via volume striking. Exiting the clinch, Jones would frequently just shell up with no movement or other defense. DC didn't land the long punch combos in those transitions (pretty much the only openings in range once he got afraid of Jones' straight left) that he needed to to keep Jones out of his game. I think he was committing too much per punch thinking he could rock Jones. kimbo305 fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Jan 4, 2015 |
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MycroftXXX posted:Also Jon Jones is a doo doo face. True
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 18:33 |
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Keven. Just. Keven posted:Jon Jones did the DX crotch chop in real life in the year 2015 to celebrate his win. yeah i've really come around on jones
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 18:34 |
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weird that the fat old pro wrestling guy was outmuscled and outworked by the churlish teen who actually works out
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 18:35 |
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Put this in every OP as the LHW champ pic
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Bundt Cake posted:Cormier mentally broke after round 3, sorry all he was getting bullied in the clinch the entire fight. when he couldn't push jones up against the cage at all you could see him just sorta give up. add to that the fact that he got hit in the flabby body approximately 100 times and he just had nothing left
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 18:38 |
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Donald Cerrone continues to be really loving cool.
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 18:52 |
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We also witnessed Herb Dean's ability to slip punches
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MycroftXXX posted:The fightpass website works with chromecast but not the fightpass mobile app. It makes no sense but there you go. That's stupid. Do Apple TV or Roku work with the app? Agreed about Jon Jones.
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