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Dangersim posted:Herb Dean was a fighter. He wasn't very good. What  First my DC dreams crushed, now this. Last night sucked
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Dangersim posted:Herb Dean was a fighter. He wasn't very good. he made it all the way to being a cage rage veteran, john wasn't even good enough for ufc 1
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Last night was just depressing. After round 3 I had DC down 2-1 but really thought he had the momentum and was going to take it to Jon the last 2 rounds and take the belt. But Jon did what always does, and rose to the occasion and dominated with the fight on the line. The only person I could see beating Jon and has a realistic chance to actually fight him is Cain, and with a gun to my head I'd probably pick Jones in that fight too. Jones is a tool, but the guy is, I guess you could say a "true champion". I realized that when he was down two rounds to one against Gus and was definitely losing the 4th round with about 30 seconds left and then he pulled that elbow out of his rear end to take the round and eventually the fight. He literally couldn't have afforded to lose 30 more seconds of that fight and he didn't. The guy is going to go down as the best MMA fighter of all time weather we like it or not.
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Jan 4, 2015 20:44
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If cormier was devoid of all emotion like his training partner cain I think his gas tank would have held up better. He looked really good in the first 3 rounds but might of had an adrenalin dump since he looked finished in the 4th.
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Jan 4, 2015 20:46
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Ty1990 posted:Last night was just depressing. After round 3 I had DC down 2-1 but really thought he had the momentum and was going to take it to Jon the last 2 rounds and take the belt. But Jon did what always does, and rose to the occasion and dominated with the fight on the line. The only person I could see beating Jon and has a realistic chance to actually fight him is Cain, and with a gun to my head I'd probably pick Jones in that fight too. DC was looking so good at the end of round 2 but Jones is insanely adaptable, and the mixture of him figuring out DC's counters and DC gassing hard and eating too many blows just made it game over by round 4. I would've bet money on Jones in the first place, but it was still heart-wrenching to watch. One of the only times I've screamed at my TV screen. Cormier just had to sacrifice too many hits to get in and do any damage, I don't think it was a regular gassing from being tired out. I wish Cain would make the weight to fight Jones. So, so badly. He looked ready to at the end of that fight, too.
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Jan 4, 2015 20:48
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As much as I hate to say it, Jon Jones has usurped Anderson's crown as GOAT (in my opinion.)
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Jan 4, 2015 20:50
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It must suck to not be able to separate Jon the person from the fighter because poo poo like this doesn't really happen all that often, ya'll.
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Jan 4, 2015 20:51
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Well he is 240 and jones is around 230 most of the time so it is possible cain could make lhw if he tried
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Jan 4, 2015 20:52
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-Atom- posted:It must suck to not be able to separate Jon the person from the fighter because poo poo like this doesn't really happen all that often, ya'll. You can't help but get emotionally invested in a fighter if you see him/her often enough on the screen to get an idea of their personality, which makes it harder to like rear end in a top hat fighters even if they are insanely talented and deserved their wins. Like if you didn't feel sad when Junior Dos Santos said "why you boo me" then you have no soul
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Jan 4, 2015 20:54
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I'm no expert when it comes to cutting weight but I don't think Cain would have any major issues cutting to 205. I could be wrong though.
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Jan 4, 2015 20:57
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Dangersim posted:Herb Dean was a fighter. He wasn't very good. He'd gently caress you up m8
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Jan 4, 2015 20:57
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Cain should rewrite the good book and avenge his brother's loss by dropping weight and fighting Jones (he'd probably lose though)
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-Atom- posted:It must suck to not be able to separate Jon the person from the fighter because poo poo like this doesn't really happen all that often, ya'll. So far there have been non stop all time great fighters fighting the whole time Ive been watching mma so yeah it kinda does happen constantly
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Jan 4, 2015 20:58
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What about Weidman moving up and fighting Jones? Yes, I realize that he has a lot of fights at middleweight, this is just a hypothetical.
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Jan 4, 2015 20:58
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quote:@FabricioWerdum Haha I love Werdum
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Incendiary Pig posted:As much as I hate to say it, Jon Jones has usurped Anderson's crown as GOAT (in my opinion.) Jon Jones is a great heel and I look forward to rooting against him and watching him completely defy my hopes.
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Jan 4, 2015 20:59
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Incendiary Pig posted:What about Weidman moving up and fighting Jones? It would be good
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Jan 4, 2015 21:00
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Dangersim posted:Herb Dean was a fighter. He wasn't very good. Here's Herb Dean's greatest hits. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8iBDjy-ml0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhT4jXuD4Js https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRBThiB-ZsE He also fought heavyweight Joe Riggs.
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Jan 4, 2015 21:00
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DC tearing up and Jones punctuating the moment by saying he doesn't care and that 'this is combat' was brutal and frank and made the post-conf better than much of the actual card.
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Jan 4, 2015 21:02
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Sherdog posters talk about GOATS often. Anytime a new champ is crowned and defends once or twice they start talking about them as being the GOAT. I've heard it about Weidman, DJ, and Pettis. However educated MMA fans usually only talk about 1 or 2 guys being the best ever, and that is Anderson and GSP. I think it's very safe to put Jones in that category at this point.
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Jan 4, 2015 21:03
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origami posted:DC tearing up and Jones punctuating the moment by saying he doesn't care and that 'this is combat' was brutal and frank and made the post-conf better than much of the actual card. "This is combat" *eyepokes with one hand while crotch chopping with the other*
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Jan 4, 2015 21:03
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Incendiary Pig posted:As much as I hate to say it, Jon Jones has usurped Anderson's crown as GOAT (in my opinion.) I don't think this is a reasonable claim at all. If consistently winning against guys who are just not quite good enough would make Jones GOAT, then Aldo blows his doors off with what he's done. I think at the end of their careers Jones has the potential to be ahead of Aldo, but he's not there yet. K8.0 fucked around with this message at 21:08 on Jan 4, 2015 |
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Jan 4, 2015 21:05
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fatherdog posted:We have got to do a group PSP viewing of KOTC 7: Wet and Wild, because it is peak B-league in the funniest way possible In which a former coach of mine fights Yves Edwards with a broken hand, in the rain, on about 6 vicodin (and actually wins).
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Jan 4, 2015 21:05
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Ty1990 posted:However educated MMA fans usually only talk about 1 or 2 guys being the best ever, and that is Anderson and GSP. I think it's very safe to put Jones in that category at this point. educated mma fans know fighters from before anderson and gsp
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Jan 4, 2015 21:06
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Yes, Dean's terrible, but he'd still have a decent experience advantage over someone whose most serious fight credential is a BJJ black belt.
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Jan 4, 2015 21:06
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Bundt Cake posted:educated mma fans know fighters from before anderson and gsp Yeah and Anderson and GSP were better then all of them
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Jan 4, 2015 21:07
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K8.0 posted:I don't think this is a reasonable claim at all. If consistently winning against guys who are just not quite good enough would make Jones GOAT, then Aldo blows his doors off with what he's done. The only time Jones ever really struggled was against GUS. Last night he was in control most of the fight even. Oh Vitor almost tapped him. lol.
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Jan 4, 2015 21:07
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Dangersim posted:Yeah and Anderson and GSP were better then all of the. That's not true
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Bundt Cake posted:educated mma fans know fighters from before anderson and gsp Ah yes I forgot to mention Ken Shamrock and Tito Ortiz in the GOAT discussion. Ty1990 fucked around with this message at 21:11 on Jan 4, 2015 |
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Jan 4, 2015 21:08
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Bluedeanie posted:That's stupid. Do Apple TV or Roku work with the app? I don't know if he's referring to some other mobile device, but I use the mobile app on my iPhone to stream to my Chromecast all the time. It's not absolutely perfect, but works well, especially compared to the loving Samsung Smart TV app which is total poo poo, no exaggeration. Not sure if I've ever tried it with a live stream though.
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Jan 4, 2015 21:08
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If I was Stuart Scott I would have just given up after last night too
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Ty1990 posted:Ah yes I forgot to mention Ken Shamrock and Tito Ortiz in the GOAT discussion. You're taking some intellectual high ground while repeating Dana White's Greatest Fighters of All Time List, why dont you cool it a little bit
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Jan 4, 2015 21:09
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Bundt Cake posted:That's not true Who?
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Jan 4, 2015 21:09
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Jose Aldo is the current GOAT and the Mightiest of Mouses is the future GOAT.
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Dangersim posted:Who? Do you really want me to list all the great fighters from the beginning of the ufc
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Bundt Cake posted:Do you really want me to list all the great fighters from the beginning of the ufc I want you to list who was better then Anderson and gsp
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Jan 4, 2015 21:10
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Matt serra
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Bundt Cake posted:Do you really want me to list all the great fighters from the beginning of the ufc Well, if you only plan to list those greater than GSP and Anderson Silva it won't be a very long read.
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Dangersim posted:I want you to list who was better then Anderson and gsp Rankings are really sweet but lets just say there have been a lot of great fighters and there have been guys who have been dominant champions for different stretches and its impossible to quantify greatness in some way to come up with a definitive hierarchy, and because there have been so many great fighters over two and half decades its stupid to just blanket that two guys who went on great runs during the peak of the UFC's popularity as indisputably the best and assert that its ignorant to suggest otherwise is annoying and limits conversation to Joe Rogan talking points
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