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Hace posted:You mean the 34 year old dude with a hosed up neck might not be the new top guy? They made Austin the top guy at 34 with a hosed up neck
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Hace posted:You mean the 34 year old dude with a hosed up neck might not be the new top guy? Cena's 37 and has had a hosed up neck for years. It's practically the only way to be allowed to be the top guy.
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Jan 27, 2015 00:48
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EugeneJ posted:They made Austin the top guy at 34 with a hosed up neck austin actually changed his style
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EugeneJ posted:They made Austin the top guy at 34 with a hosed up neck Austin doesn't do top rope headbutts to get over.
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Jan 27, 2015 00:51
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Roman getting roundly booed made me so happy. The guy is utter shite, always has been and should have been released ages ago. He does literally two moves, has zero charisma and wears a flak jacket to cover his gut. There must be a scramble on now to book something that people actually give a poo poo about for Mania.
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Jan 27, 2015 00:57
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Hace posted:Austin doesn't do top rope headbutts to get over. Austin wasn't 5'8.
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spudsbuckley posted:Roman getting roundly booed made me so happy. The guy is utter shite, always has been and should have been released ages ago. He does literally two moves, has zero charisma and wears a flak jacket to cover his gut. Hey! He does that 'run around the ring and dropkick the guy in the face' spot. That's a third move.
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drat Raw is canceled. This was going to be the first one in months I was gonna watch, just to see the boos shake the heavens
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It's funny watching the crowd pop for Rollins' phoenix splash before it hit; that doesn't usually happen. I'm assuming they knew what it was as soon as he leaped off the top.
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is it weird if i'm kinda bothered by the supposed top hated heel in the company doing super-hot highspots that get huge pops
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Alain Post posted:is it weird if i'm kinda bothered by the supposed top hated heel in the company doing super-hot highspots that get huge pops It didn't help that the entire rest of the match was Brock just doing suplexs (we get it, he can do suplexs. we're all really impressed) and John's five moves.
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Alain Post posted:is it weird if i'm kinda bothered by the supposed top hated heel in the company doing super-hot highspots that get huge pops He should do more chinlocks. Lull everyone to sleep, that's good heelin.
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spudsbuckley posted:Roman getting roundly booed made me so happy. The guy is utter shite, always has been and should have been released ages ago. He does literally two moves, has zero charisma and wears a flak jacket to cover his gut. He's not that horrid. With proper coaching he could be the next Sheamus 
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Alain Post posted:is it weird if i'm kinda bothered by the supposed top hated heel in the company doing super-hot highspots that get huge pops yes i too hate my wrestlers doing cool poo poo that gets them over wait i dont and thats a loving weird way to think
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spudsbuckley posted:Roman getting roundly booed made me so happy. The guy is utter shite, always has been and should have been released ages ago. He does literally two moves, has zero charisma and wears a flak jacket to cover his gut. There's actually a problem that I have with Romans moveset. Why does he do three moves that require running at an opponent when one of them is his signature move and one is his finisher? He has the running forearm, superman punch and spear which all have the same set up. It's like if John Cena had a samoan drop and firemans carry gutbuster in his arsenal. Hammerstein posted:He's not that horrid. With proper coaching he could be the next Sheamus Honestly at least Sheamus looks good when he gets to just throw down with other big dudes. Roman doesn't even have that.
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Yuriy posted:yes i too hate my wrestlers doing cool poo poo that gets them over for context, i am also perplexed when Rusev does poo poo like doing a comeback and persevering through pain to apply his finisher because that's total babyface poo poo
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Alain Post posted:for context, i am also perplexed when Rusev does poo poo like doing a comeback and persevering through pain to apply his finisher because that's total babyface poo poo Based on crowd chants at the end of the Rumble last night, Rusev is a face simply because he isn't lovely Roman Reigns. Reigns is so awful he can make people boo the Rock.
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I don't like Reigns at all, and the Rumble was terrible, but drat...as a person who's no fault of their own they are in this situation, I really do feel bad for Reigns. This should have been a night for him to feel elated and on top of the world. Now he's probably so dejected and jaded that he's contemplating his future as a wrestler.
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spudsbuckley posted:It didn't help that the entire rest of the match was Brock just doing suplexs (we get it, he can do suplexs. we're all really impressed) and John's five moves. If you got bored of Brock throwing men 40 feet in the air and looking like the loving Juggernaut, I feel sorry for you. And the Phoenix Splash was fine, as long as he doesn't do it in every Raw or B-PPV match, it's cool as a super-finisher.
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Hace posted:You mean the 34 year old dude with a hosed up neck might not be the new top guy? Time to cry about internet smarks actually putting their money where their mouth is when they are tired of the product.
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I don't think Bryan is being buried by Vince or whatever, I just thought what happened in the Rumble was really lovely. I have no problem with Reigns in the title picture instead of him. It's just taking your number one underdog guy and making him look like a jobber punk is just horrible. He should have gone out when Show and Kane were dogging all the fan faves.
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Had Bryan gone out in some blaze of glory late in the match then it might have worked. Like doing a suicide dive on Bray, Kane and Big Show and taking them all with him.
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Jetfire posted:It's funny watching the crowd pop for Rollins' phoenix splash before it hit; that doesn't usually happen. I'm assuming they knew what it was as soon as he leaped off the top. It helped that he finished the 450 and still had like 5 seconds before hitting the mat. The hangtime was unreal.
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Yuriy posted:yes i too hate my wrestlers doing cool poo poo that gets them over whether you agree with it or not i dont think a basic principle of the business that was held to for decades and still is in some markets is 'loving weird'
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Spermgod posted:whether you agree with it or not i dont think a basic principle of the business that was held to for decades and still is in some markets is 'loving weird' I dont get how cool moves and selling and being tough are innately good guy qualities in 2015
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nobody gets heat in 2015 either
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in 2015 a ppv ended with the rock getting booed out of the building, if there's no heat it's not because of the talent
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The biggest heel is the company.
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Big Coffin Hunter posted:in 2015 a ppv ended with the rock getting booed out of the building, if there's no heat it's not because of the talent the fact that the only things that elicit a real emotional reaction are meta-angles like "daniel bryan is being booked badly" or "roman reigns is being shoved down our throats" is hardly a good argument against my point
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Spermgod posted:nobody gets heat in 2015 either seth rollins, not booed at all and not called a sellout.
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NutritiousSnack posted:seth rollins, not booed at all and not called a sellout. he's a super heel outside of the ring, don't get me wrong. and the stomp is a great heel (heh) finisher, I just sometimes wonder if heels really should be trying to get huge positive pops from the crowd like, maybe this is silly, but imagine if Bryan or Sami Zayn started doing eye rakes and poo poo
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NutritiousSnack posted:seth rollins, not booed at all and not called a sellout. compare the reactions he gets to any other top heel from any point in history prior to the past 10 years edit: of course i don't mean to say that that's because he does flips. but when it comes to the matches themselves, it is probably a big reason why crowds are silent for everything except the big spots these days Spermgod fucked around with this message at 02:10 on Jan 27, 2015 |
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Alain Post posted:he's a super heel outside of the ring, don't get me wrong. and the stomp is a great heel (heh) finisher, I just sometimes wonder if heels really should be trying to get huge positive pops from the crowd At the height of Hulkamania face rakes and back rakes were like half of Hogan's offense
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Alain Post posted:he's a super heel outside of the ring, don't get me wrong. and the stomp is a great heel (heh) finisher, I just sometimes wonder if heels really should be trying to get huge positive pops from the crowd You mean like Hogan did, constantly, while being the biggest face in the company for most of a decade? Edit : Fatherdog representin'
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fatherdog posted:At the height of Hulkamania face rakes and back rakes were like half of Hogan's offense Hulk Hogan was American exceptionalism in wrestling form. "I can use whatever dirty tricks I want because they're the bad guys!"
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Sami jumped Tye Dillinger before a match this past week and beat the poo poo out of him before the bell even rang. The crowd popped huge for it.
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i think Hulk is just a special case of someone being insanely over because they looked so great at the right time, he could have done anything in a ring and still gotten huge cheers. it's not like Hulk is considered a master of in-ring psychology these days or something
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Jetfire posted:It's funny watching the crowd pop for Rollins' phoenix splash before it hit; that doesn't usually happen. I'm assuming they knew what it was as soon as he leaped off the top. There were a couple guys behind me who didn't know what it was after he landed, let alone before he took off. I presume much of the crowd knew going up top was A Thing and reacted based on that. Keep in mind that came after the flight from the corner to the table, so they knew Rollins was capable of crazy shot from the top rope.
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Alain Post posted:i think Hulk is just a special case of someone being insanely over because they looked so great at the right time, he could have done anything in a ring and still gotten huge cheers. it's not like Hulk is considered a master of in-ring psychology these days or something I think there's more to it than that -- he wasn't just beating heels, he was bullying them. It's even more of a power fantasy.
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